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Hatuey

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Just a question that occured to me after seeing NPs poll. One could make the argument(from the religious pov) that each sperm cell is a potential soul and that destroying it would be like destroying a possible human being. How does one know when a soul is made? Is it assigned to each person? Do "they" give it to us at conception or before that? Debate.

Poll

Do sperm Cells have souls?

Yes.
No.
 
Just a question that occured to me after seeing NPs poll. One could make the argument(from the religious pov) that each sperm cell is a potential soul and that destroying it would be like destroying a possible human being. How does one know when a soul is made? Is it assigned to each person? Do "they" give it to us at conception or before that? Debate.

Poll

Do sperm Cells have souls?

Yes.
No.


Why, sure they do!
Doncha watch Monty Python?

"Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great;
if a sperm is wasted
God gets quite irate..."


:mrgreen:
 
Hatuey said:
Do sperm Cells have souls?

I don't think so, but that's a good argument. I'd like to see some pro-life responses to this.

And if the sperm does have a soul, what about the egg? Do they both have souls that merge together?

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Why, sure they do!
Doncha watch Monty Python?

Meaning of Life was good, but Holy Grail is way better.
 
Meaning of Life was good, but Holy Grail is way better.

"... Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, didn't you?"

:2rofll:
 
"... Help! Help! I'm being repressed! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, didn't you?"

:2rofll:

Oh you kids and your phrases - but seriously care to awnser the question?
 
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Soul? There is no soul, thats just a synonym for 'self'. Unless you wanna get all mystical about it, if so then why bother attempting to draw any lines by any standards?
 
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I agree. If there were such things as souls, as in a mystical energy that enters into a physical form from somewhere outside of the body, then there's no point in drawing distinctions between souled life and unsouled life. If the soul is eternal, it doesn't matter to the soul whether it lives or dies; if the body can live without the soul, then it doesn't matter to the body whether the soul is present or not.

If the soul is not eternal, and is a necessary part of the body's working, then it is a natural part of the physical form -- as Lachean said, another word for "self." If that's the definition you use, then no, a sperm cell does not have a soul. No awareness of self, no self.
 
The foetus is life, of course it is, so is a sperm cell, so is any cell, so is a dog, a cat, a mouse. These are all live.
If abortion is murder surely then if you run over a dog, it is counted as manslaughter? A dog is life after all.

Is a foetus human? What makes us different from all the rest of life. The ability to think maybe?? Can a foetus think?
 
The foetus is life, of course it is, so is a sperm cell, so is any cell, so is a dog, a cat, a mouse. These are all live.
If abortion is murder surely then if you run over a dog, it is counted as manslaughter? A dog is life after all.

If its a police dog, its worse than manslaughter. You're right that life is life, but to suggest that all life are equal in value would be foolish.

Is a foetus human? What makes us different from all the rest of life. The ability to think maybe?? Can a foetus think?

The fetus is human(DNA), but is not a human being. Its only a human becoming.

Can a fetus think? Well we can measure brain activity, however I'm going to go out on a limb and say not in any way that is meaningful.
 
The idiocy of this thread is amazing. I'd be embarrassed to even pose such a question. Didn't any of you ever take a biology course?
 
Good contribution to this thread Stinger!

Actually I took AP bio in High School and Advanced in College. Neither ever covered 'souls.' Perhaps you can fill me in on my lack of biological education?
 
The foetus is life, of course it is, so is a sperm cell, so is any cell, so is a dog, a cat, a mouse. These are all live.
If abortion is murder surely then if you run over a dog, it is counted as manslaughter? A dog is life after all.

We should all become Vegan...oh...wait, plants are alive too. Damn...guess its time to starve, this sucks.


Is a foetus human? What makes us different from all the rest of life. The ability to think maybe?? Can a foetus think?

The wiring is not in place for the brain to begin thinking as of yet. But the creature growing inside is indeed....Human.
 
Good contribution to this thread Stinger!

Actually I took AP bio in High School and Advanced in College. Neither ever covered 'souls.' Perhaps you can fill me in on my lack of biological education?

Is a sperm a life? Is it a complete human being? Will a sperm ever by itself grow into a human being? It is what is known as a germ cell, you didn't learn that in biology? Do you even know what a sperm does?

This is just a spin off of the patently ignorant arguement so on the pro-abortion side make when they say that when a man masturbates he kills thousands of people therefore abortion is OK. What idiocy.

Geez.
 
Sperm cells don't have a central nervoous system and they have unite with an egg and then gradually develop a central nervous system.

I don't think that sperms have souls. Sperm cell are one celled and are only one half of the story.
 
Is a sperm a life? Is it a complete human being? Will a sperm ever by itself grow into a human being? It is what is known as a germ cell, you didn't learn that in biology? Do you even know what a sperm does?

The question he posed was not whether or not sperm have life, or what their function was. We all know this, and no one was debating against the function of a sperm, or whether it will become human.

He asked do they have SOULS, which has NOTHING to do with BIOLOGY.

This is just a spin off of the patently ignorant arguement so on the pro-abortion side make when they say that when a man masturbates he kills thousands of people therefore abortion is OK. What idiocy.

Geez.

1. No one is pro-abortion. But please, by all means double talk your day away.
2. That may have been the logical conclusion the OP wanted us to reach, but what does that have to do with me, my posts, or my claim that SOULS have nothing to do with biology.
 
The question he posed was not whether or not sperm have life, or what their function was.

However both have to with what a sperm is and does and specifically relates to the original question and anyone who had any knowledge of biology would no the idiocy of the question.

We all know this, and no one was debating against the function of a sperm, or whether it will become human.

Sperm do not become humans. They have one function which if as you claimed you studied advance biology you would know what that is.

He asked do they have SOULS, which has NOTHING to do with BIOLOGY.

Since a sperm is not a human being, never will be human being...................it is a gamite.

1. No one is pro-abortion. But please, by all means double talk your day away.

So you don't support abortion, OK.


2. That may have been the logical conclusion the OP wanted us to reach, but what does that have to do with me, my posts, or my claim that SOULS have nothing to do with biology.

It has to do with my answer to the OP to which you answered.
 
If they did have souls then would you go to jail for swallowing? :lol:

Do sperm cells have souls, probably not but some have quite the personality ;)
 
However both have to with what a sperm is and does and specifically relates to the original question and anyone who had any knowledge of biology would no the idiocy of the question.

Sperm do not become humans. They have one function which if as you claimed you studied advance biology you would know what that is.

Since a sperm is not a human being, never will be human being...................it is a gamite.

Where does any of this refute anything that anyone has said? Did I say it was a human "BEING"? If you want to correct the semantics of other posters thats fine, but don't try to claim relevance.

So you don't support abortion, OK.

I'm morally opposed to it, but not the freedom to make that choice.

It has to do with my answer to the OP to which you answered.

You call this an answer to the OP: "The idiocy of this thread is amazing. I'd be embarrassed to even pose such a question. Didn't any of you ever take a biology course?"

Thats some answer...
 
Every cell in the body has a human genome, two pairs (one from mummy, one from daddy) of 23 sets of Chromosomes. Except sperm and egg cells, who only have one copy of each of the 23 chromosomes. The body kills these cells, life, all the time. The body kills foetuses unfortunately sometimes.

A foetus is not yet human, it is a collection of cells dependent on the rest of the foetus's mother cells to sustain itself.
The ability to have rational and creative thought is what makes us different from any other species, makes us human. In that instance a foetus while "living" as any other cell on the planet is not human. If not well why do we not call an animal human or plants human?? They are living are they not?

That is why we have a birthday, not a conception day. We start our live from birth, not from the formation of two haploid cells.
 
Where does any of this refute anything that anyone has said? Did I say it was a human "BEING"? If you want to correct the semantics of other posters thats fine, but don't try to claim relevance.

You asked me to fill you in, even though you claimed to have been educated in biology, so I did. I note you did not respond to my questions which would answer the original question. What is the function of a sperm? It has one thing to do and one thing only, insert half of a DNA combination into an egg. It is a gamete, a germ cell, not a complete being.

You never learned that in your biology courses?


I'm morally opposed to it, but not the freedom to make that choice.

So you are for abortion as it exist in this country. If a woman wants an abortion you support it.

You call this an answer to the OP: "The idiocy of this thread is amazing. I'd be embarrassed to even pose such a question. Didn't any of you ever take a biology course?"

Yeah, do you disagree that anyone who ever took a course in biology would know the answer?

Thats some answer...

Quite apropos to the question.
 
You asked me to fill you in, even though you claimed to have been educated in biology, so I did. I note you did not respond to my questions which would answer the original question. What is the function of a sperm? It has one thing to do and one thing only, insert half of a DNA combination into an egg. It is a gamete, a germ cell, not a complete being.

You never learned that in your biology courses?

Thanks for the lesson but it was unnecessary. Obviously you didn't pick up on my sarcasm when I asked you, considering the answer would be irrelevant to this discussion. As I have indicated, this discussion has nothing to do with the biology of a sperm.

Yes I know what a gamete is, so do yourself a favor and save the "You never learned that in your biology course" for a time you say something that either isn't elementary, or for a time where I have said something contrary to commonly understood biology. It comes off as very condescending, not that you seem very concerned with being seen as such.

So you are for abortion as it exist in this country. If a woman wants an abortion you support it.

I am for the freedom to do so. I am PRO CHOICE. Pro-abortion would mean that I go around promoting the idea to pregnant people. The only thing I am pro is the freedom to make bad decisions.

Just as I am for someone's right to waste away their lives on crack, I am also morally opposed to the use of it.

If a woman wants an abortion I do not support her choice, only that she has that choice. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Or do you find it easier labeling people "pro-abortion."

Yeah, do you disagree that anyone who ever took a course in biology would know the answer?

Yes I do. Never in a biology class have we covered if sperm have souls. So a great many people who have taken the class would not know the answer to that. Such a claim is not scientific, it is mystical.

Quite apropos to the question.

Hey man, I know the whole nature of the discussion would be silly. Thats why I gave my cold black&white answer, and was going to leave the thread be. The answer to this OP is the same as "Do dogs go to heaven" or the like.

But if you think I'm going to let "dumb answer for a dumb question" pass as an answer, you're mistaken. Whats so hard about a "yes, sperm have souls because all living things do" or a "no you friggin idiot, only humans do because god... etc"?

Your input would be a heck of a better contribution to this thread than what you've provided so far, to those to whom this question mystifies at least.
 
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Just a question that occured to me after seeing NPs poll. One could make the argument(from the religious pov) that each sperm cell is a potential soul and that destroying it would be like destroying a possible human being. How does one know when a soul is made? Is it assigned to each person? Do "they" give it to us at conception or before that? Debate.

Poll

Do sperm Cells have souls?

Yes.
No.


Funny I woke up this morning wondering the same thing yet I haven't been here for a little while. I was thinking about lukosites and anti-bodies and germs and bactiria. All of these things are alive and seemingly seperate from us, living on our skin, in our blood, our mouths... These organisms live and die daily, heck, hourly right inside of us and we have no idea.

But these things are like skin or other organs, alive but not sentient or separate from what makes our bodies. You can graft skin, take a healthy organ out of a brain dead person and put it into another person to replace their unhealthy organ. Sperm, on the other hand, is produced by the male body with one instinct activated upon release, "find and egg". But sperm only have a certain amount of time before 'dying' and being reabsorbed into the body.

I've heard the 'maturbation is wrong because it's killing future people' mumbo jumbo, but that is inaccurate because first of all only one sperm out of millions is allowed to fertalize an egg, in rare instances 2 or 3 get into one egg to make twins triplets so on... Second, there certainly aren't any catholic virgins who've never maturbated in their life with 28 year old sperm hanging around in their nuts. At best sperm lasts in the male body for about 2 weeks (I think, it's been a long time since biology for me).

Does sperm have a soul though?

No, not in the sense that people mainly think of when talking about 'souls'. To me the soul is the energy of life. And Einstein theorised that energy never dissipates and cannot be destroyed. So where does our energy go when our bodies die and does our consious mind go on?

Since energy cannot be destroyed and never dissipates I think that our individual energy joins the rest of the energy in the universe. As for our own idividual consiousness, I can't say...

Either way, I won't be dissapointed.
 
Thanks for the lesson but it was unnecessary.

Then you shouldn't have asked any my response to the OP should have been quite clear.

As I have indicated, this discussion has nothing to do with the biology of a sperm.

Yes it does, if it is not a being then how could it have a soul? A sperm is not a human being, it is not even an organism since it does not metabolis, reproduce or sustain itself. It is a gamete. Asking whether a sperm has a sole shows a distinct lack of knowledge about biology.

Yes I know what a gamete is,

Then that should have eneded it then.

Oh and I noted your statement
"The fetus is human(DNA), but is not a human being. Its only a human becoming."

Is it being? Is it human? I just watched the video of my grandson sucking it's thumb and kicking in the womb. Is it being?

And you said you are against abortion itself, well if it is not a human being, what is your opposition?

I am for the freedom to do so.

You are for abortion as it legally exist in this country, pro-abortion.

I am PRO CHOICE. Pro-abortion would mean that I go around promoting the idea to pregnant people. The only thing I am pro is the freedom to make bad decisions.

Do you support federal funding of abortion?

Just as I am for someone's right to waste away their lives on crack, I am also morally opposed to the use of it.

Really you are pro-crack too and anti-crack laws?

If a woman wants an abortion I do not support her choice, only that she has that choice. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

What if she can't pay for it should the government provide it to here? How about in federally funding clinics outside the country should they provide abortions?

Or do you find it easier labeling people "pro-abortion."

It certainly makes it easier except when people can't make up thier minds.

You also said

Can a fetus think? Well we can measure brain activity, however I'm going to go out on a limb and say not in any way that is meaningful.

Why do you oppose abortion then?

Yes I do. Never in a biology class have we covered if sperm have souls.

But you did study that they are gametes, and aren't complete people or beings didn't you.

Hey man, I know the whole nature of the discussion would be silly.

Which I demonstrated in my first response and you choose to argue.

The answer to this OP is the same as "Do dogs go to heaven" or the like.

So now you equate a dog with a sperm? Didn't you learn that dogs are complete beings, therefore if you believe in souls for living beings isn't it logical to assume they have souls?

"yes, sperm have souls because all living things do" or a "no you friggin idiot, only humans do because god... etc"?

Because sperms are not complete living beings. They are gametes.

Your input would be a heck of a better contribution to this thread than what you've provided so far, to those to whom this question mystifies at least.

That it would mystify shows an ignorance of Biology 101. If anyone who ever took a course in biology thinks that a sperm sitting in a petrie dish could ever on it's own grow to be a complete human being they should ask for their money back.
 
Then you shouldn't have asked any my response to the OP should have been quite clear.

Clear and adequate are separate things.

Yes it does, if it is not a being then how could it have a soul? A sperm is not a human being, it is not even an organism since it does not metabolis, reproduce or sustain itself. It is a gamete. Asking whether a sperm has a sole shows a distinct lack of knowledge about biology.

I'm sorry, which biologist has acknowledged the existence of souls, or proved that only beings have souls. You're ******* on your own foot here man, this isn't a biological debate.

Oh and I noted your statement
"The fetus is human(DNA), but is not a human being. Its only a human becoming."

Is it being? Is it human? I just watched the video of my grandson sucking it's thumb and kicking in the womb. Is it being?

Is it human, yes. Is it a being, not yet. I wont draw the lines of when life starts and don't try to make me.

And you said you are against abortion itself, well if it is not a human being, what is your opposition?

The act itself is emotionally devastating, and it cuts short a potential life. Is that not enough.

Just because I don't consider it a human being yet, doesn't meant I attribute no value to t.

You are for abortion as it legally exist in this country, pro-abortion.

How am I for abortion as it exists? What kinda strawman wording are you trying for? "If you're not opposed to the freedom to do so, you're for abortions."

You're trying to label people dishonestly. There might actually be people who promote abortions, why not use it on them where the title is more fitting?

Do you support federal funding of abortion?

Hell no, I'm a personal accountability libertarian.

Really you are pro-crack too and anti-crack laws?

I am against the war on drugs, that doesn't make me pro-crack. You really don't get what a straw man is do you? What you are trying to associate me with is not the position that I hold, or one that you can quote me on professing.

What if she can't pay for it should the government provide it to here? How about in federally funding clinics outside the country should they provide abortions?

I think I've answered this already, you'll get no socialism from me.

It certainly makes it easier except when people can't make up thier minds.

Are you claiming that I haven't made up my mind, and that I am unsure about my position on abortion. Have I ever expressed such confusion?

You really are content with telling people what they think instead of listening to them.

Why do you oppose abortion then?

Because they may one day be capable of thought that I could consider meaningful, even contributory to society.

But you did study that they are gametes, and aren't complete people or beings didn't you.

What, can you not read. Was the last 3 times not sufficient?

Again you ignored the fact that there is NO biological basis for a SOUL.

Which I demonstrated in my first response and you choose to argue.

I haven't argued against the silliness of this thread, only the biological implications of your posts.

So now you equate a dog with a sperm? Didn't you learn that dogs are complete beings, therefore if you believe in souls for living beings isn't it logical to assume they have souls?

Okay, I'm going to have to try to explain this to you as best I can, and if you don't get it this time, you're beyond my capacity to explain, and I cant help you.

I don't believe in a soul. If ever I use the word, its being used as a synonym for the 'self'. I don't believe sperm have souls, nor dogs.

I was NOT equating dogs with sperm, I was equating the question to any other question of mysticism that cannot be answered with science.

Only people who wonder if dogs make it to heaven would also wonder if sperm have souls.

Because sperms are not complete living beings. They are gametes.

I was asking you to answer either or. I've given up asking, you are simply incapable.

That it would mystify shows an ignorance of Biology 101. If anyone who ever took a course in biology thinks that a sperm sitting in a petrie dish could ever on it's own grow to be a complete human being they should ask for their money back.

Are you consciously aware of your straw-man tactics?

Is it really possible for you to read "to whom this OP's question would mystify" and your brain receives "to whom those who think sperm can develop in a petri dish?" Did the OP have anything to do with development or petri dishes? Do souls have anything to do with biology? I could understand if someone else said something that dumb and you got them confused with me, but no one has said anything that stupid because everyone else has stayed on topic.

You're simply unbelievable.
 
Double post ugh.
 

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