Do blacks commit a disproportionate percentage of crimes in the US?

[VanceMack]

There is definitely evidence that, white or black, sociopathic behavior and lack of impulse control has a genetic component. It's often corrected through a stable upbringing filled with love and caring people. The time bomb begins ticking though when the child is raised in chaos and a PTSD type of an environment, especially one lacking in love and caring people.

It's basically a combination of fight and flight responses triggered by environment acting on someone who already lacks empathy and concern over risk taking behavior.

I can live with that.

 

[calamity]

Absolute crap, I have been with my Hispanic wife for over 35 years, her family was straight out of the barrio, we have gone from poor Punks in the 80's to the 2nd quintile and back to SNAP, my personal experience is wide and deep. I'm not the one bragging about having 2 degrees.....who then posts a picture of poor whites in a thread on black crime.

You and the wild-eyed socialist moron running for president are the one saying no one in America is as poor as blacks. That's simply ignorant. The pic is meant to remind you of that.

Unless you've been to Appalachia or the northern rim of the Grand Canyon in Arizona or the desert region of Eastern California, you've probably never actually seen dirt-poor whites. But, they do exist. And, they are far more poor than urban blacks in an American city.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You and the wild-eyed socialist moron running for president are the one saying no one in America is as poor as blacks. That's simply ignorant. The pic is meant to remind you of that.

I did not say that, another example of yer craptastic posting. I said that when Kirvo/Peterson was comparing the communities they studied, it was hard to find white COMMUNITIES that had the same absolute levels of poverty. What you want to do is to compare pockets of rural poor to pockets of urban poor, that is apples to oranges.....and again, someone with 2 BA degrees should be able to comprehend that....or at the very least, open up the document.

Unless you've been to Appalachia or the northern rim of the Grand Canyon in Arizona or the desert region of Eastern California, you've probably never actually seen dirt-poor whites. But, they do exist. And, they are far more poor than urban blacks in an American city.

Actually, 2 outa 3, the difference being, they do not face the same level of discrimination from a white dominate society.

 

[calamity]

I did not say that, another example of yer craptastic posting. I said that when Kirvo/Peterson was comparing the communities they studied, it was hard to find white COMMUNITIES that had the same absolute levels of poverty. What you want to do is to compare pockets of rural poor to pockets of urban poor, that is apples to oranges.....and again, someone with 2 BA degrees should be able to comprehend that....or at the very least, open up the document.

BS & MS.

Actually, 2 outa 3, the difference being, they do not face the same level of discrimination from a white dominate society.

Sure they do...as soon as they open their mouth and talk.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

BS & MS.

The bs I believe since you display it all the time, but if yer braggin bout an MS, and yer making such crappy argument, can't get others correct...and refuse to read an analysis....well I think again it is just bs.

Sure they do...as soon as they open their mouth and talk.

....and put on a hood (Appalachia)....or marry their second wife (Colorado City AZ)....or try to sell some rock (Victim...er.... Victorville/Barstow). I'm joking, really...they're great folks.

It's just funny because a page or do ago you made the joke:

You're the one making excuses. "It's the Pohvehrty!"

as if when a person is in poverty they DON'T experience the situation:


when the child is raised in chaos and a PTSD type of an environment, especially one lacking in love and caring people.

It's basically a combination of fight and flight responses triggered by environment acting on someone who already lacks empathy and concern over risk taking behavior.

 

[ARealConservative]

I haven't sent any money..

Maybe I'll look into the cult stuff some time but frankly I am uninterested..

don't bother. some people read wiki pages and are perfectly comfortable posing as an expert on a given subject. you just encountered such a person

"defooing" is really nothing more then an acknowledgement that all relationships are voluntary, even family ones.

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

The bs I believe since you display it all the time, but if yer braggin bout an MS, and yer making such crappy argument, can't get others correct...and refuse to read an analysis....well I think again it is just bs.


....and put on a hood (Appalachia)....or marry their second wife (Colorado City AZ)....or try to sell some rock (Victim...er.... Victorville/Barstow). I'm joking, really...they're great folks.

yeah, poor whites in Appalachia. huge problem huh?

 

[calamity]

The bs I believe since you display it all the time, but if yer braggin bout an MS, and yer making such crappy argument, can't get others correct...and refuse to read an analysis....well I think again it is just bs.


....and put on a hood (Appalachia)....or marry their second wife (Colorado City AZ)....or try to sell some rock (Victim...er.... Victorville/Barstow). I'm joking, really...they're great folks.

It's just funny because a page or do ago you made the joke:
as if when a person is in poverty they DON'T experience the situation:


when the child is raised in chaos and a PTSD type of an environment, especially one lacking in love and caring people.

It's basically a combination of fight and flight responses triggered by environment acting on someone who already lacks empathy and concern over risk taking behavior.

Exactly, it's more than just the poverty. Much more. Most of us here either lived in poverty once or had parents and grandparents who lived in it. Why did they come out of it? Why do so many Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians, etc. manage to come out of it?

My theory is that most of those who did claw their way out of the trap of poverty have a few things in common. One, they place a high importance on education. Two, they keep their families intact. Three, they avoid having babies before they finish high school. Four, they do not break the law. Five, they work two or three jobs and avoid getting into debt or taking on expenses they know they cannot afford.

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

Exactly, it's more than just the poverty. Much more. Most of us here either lived in poverty once or had parents and grandparents who lived in it. Why did they come out of it? Why do so many Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians, etc. manage to come out of it?

My theory is that most of those who did claw their way out of the trap of poverty have a few things in common. One, they place a high importance on education. Two, they keep their families intact. Three, they avoid having babies before they finish high school. Four, they do not break the law. Five, they work two or three jobs and avoid getting into debt or taking on expenses they know they cannot afford.

and all the liberals want us to live in cities or pepper good neighborhoods with "diversity"

 

[TurtleDude]

Let me think about this....If I am born into a poor household, with no/low income for this household, will I be poor at the point of birth?

Tautology at its best!

There is yer ivy covered argument fer yeh.

diversion

are you arguing against the assertion that single parent families are more likely to be poor?

are you denying that in black culture, single parent families are not more prevalent?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Exactly, it's more than just the poverty. Much more. Most of us here either lived in poverty once or had parents and grandparents who lived in it. Why did they come out of it? Why do so many Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians, etc. manage to come out of it?

My theory is that most of those who did claw their way out of the trap of poverty have a few things in common. One, they place a high importance on education. Two, they keep their families intact. Three, they avoid having babies before they finish high school. Four, they do not break the law. Five, they work two or three jobs and avoid getting into debt or taking on expenses they know they cannot afford.

Oh, I see, after we nearly made a breakthrough on the triggers of CRIME, especially from the standpoint of abject poverty....and whether the pressures are greater in an urban setting or a rural setting.....yer gonna change the subject......to economic mobility!

I'm up for a discussion on EM, since it also incorporates discrimination, economic/job/hiring discrimination....which goes into initial wage/salaries......oh wait....we already had that discussion in this thread!

 

[calamity]

and all the liberals want us to live in cities or pepper good neighborhoods with "diversity"

Judging by the demographics of recently gentrified areas in NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, etc., it seems to me their real goal is to rid those cities of undesirables by exporting diversity from places where they plan to live to the burbs before they move in.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

diversion

are you arguing against the assertion that single parent families are more likely to be poor?

are you denying that in black culture, single parent families are not more prevalent?

Let me think about this....If I am born into a poor household, with no/low income for this household, will I be poor at the point of birth?

Tautology at its best!

There is yer ivy covered argument fer yeh.

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

Judging by the demographics of recently gentrified areas in NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, etc., it seems to me their real goal is to rid those cities of undesirables by exporting diversity from places where they plan to live to the burbs before they move in,

that the only way to have a stable living space with nice businesses.

 

[calamity]

Oh, I see, after we nearly made a breakthrough on the triggers of CRIME, especially from the standpoint of abject poverty....and whether the pressures are greater in an urban setting or a rural setting.....yer gonna change the subject......to economic mobility!

I'm up for a discussion on EM, since it also incorporates discrimination, economic/job/hiring discrimination....which goes into initial wage/salaries......oh wait....we already had that discussion in this thread!

You're just a typical excuse-maker who believes people cannot be held responsible for their own actions, but rather that they are victims of some institutional conspiracy to hold them in their place. Well, I have news for you, there is a shortage of good, hardworking people to hire out there. Anyone who follows the law and is able to pass a drug test, gets an education, establishes a work ethic, maintains decent credit rating, and isn't strapped with caring for three kids by age-21 will be hired and given an opportunity regardless of their skin color.

You just want to whine about racism because you have low expectations for Black people. "They can't succeed because...discrimination."

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

You're just a typical excuse-maker who believes people cannot be held responsible for their own actions, but rather that they are victims of some institutional conspiracy to hold them in their place. Well, I have news for you, there is a shortage of good, hardworking people to hire out there. Anyone who follows the law and is able to pass a drug test, gets an education, establishes a work ethic, maintains decent credit rating, and isn't strapped with caring for three kids by age-21 will be hired and given an opportunity regardless of their skin color.

You just want to whine about racism because you have low expectations for Black people. "They can't succeed because...discrimination."

try opening a juice bar or a good vegan restaurant in a bad colored neighborhood.

 

[calamity]

that the only way to have a stable living space with nice businesses.

Funny is how they know it, but won't admit it when it's not their neighborhood that's being overrun by thugs.

 

[calamity]

try opening a juice bar or a good vegan restaurant in a bad colored neighborhood.

Liquor, lottery outlet.

 

[TurtleDude]

Let me think about this....If I am born into a poor household, with no/low income for this household, will I be poor at the point of birth?

Tautology at its best!

There is yer ivy covered argument fer yeh.

but if you come from a two parent household-even if they are poor, your odds of remaining poor are far less

the social pathologies impacting blacks in US society is that so many of them produce children with out husbands to help raise the children

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You're just a typical excuse-maker who believes people cannot be held responsible for their own actions, but rather that they are victims of some institutional conspiracy to hold them in their place. Well, I have news for you, there is a shortage of good, hardworking people to hire out there. Anyone who follows the law and is able to pass a drug test, gets an education, establishes a work ethic, maintains decent credit rating, and isn't strapped with caring for three kids by age-21 will be hired and given an opportunity regardless of their skin color.

You just want to whine about racism because you have low expectations for Black people. "They can't succeed because...discrimination."

Yes, right now, we have a shortage of workers, which explains why wages are going through the roof, as is inflation, and why so many people are holding full time jobs, why the participation rate is hitting peaks.

FFS....somebody wake up calam! I've been hammering him all day, and he keeps talking in his sleep.

 

[Fishking]

It's an economic thing. I'd also say an enforcement thing as well because both blacks and whites commit the same amounts of crime and have the same amounts of drug usage but blacks are targeted more for something whites are doing too.

That's not factually correct. Just looking at homicide and violent crime rates will show you a significant disparity. At that point, you can probably extrapolate increased rates in many other areas. This still doesn't answer the why, just that the numbers are not equal.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

but if you come from a two parent household-even if they are poor, your odds of remaining poor are far less

the social pathologies impacting blacks in US society is that so many of them produce children with out husbands to help raise the children

I'm sure that in urban households, there isn't any extra stress, that doesn't cause higher rates of crime, that doesn't cause higher incarceration, that isn't caused by biased prosecution, that doesn't involve racism, that has no effect on hiring when a job is gained, and that no effect on wages....and this cycle never becomes a vicious cycle...that one can't see from an ivy covered tower.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

That's not factually correct. Just looking at homicide and violent crime rates will show you a significant disparity. At that point, you can probably extrapolate increased rates in many other areas. This still doesn't answer the why, just that the numbers are not equal.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-crimes-us-post1065642315.html#post1065642315

 

[calamity]

Yes, right now, we have a shortage of workers, which explains why wages are going through the roof, as is inflation, and why so many people are holding full time jobs, why the participation rate is hitting peaks.

FFS....somebody wake up calam! I've been hammering him all day, and he keeps talking in his sleep.

America has 5.8 million job openings - Sep. 9, 2015

 

[TurtleDude]

I'm sure that in urban households, there isn't any extra stress, that doesn't cause higher rates of crime, that doesn't cause higher incarceration, that isn't caused by biased prosecution, that doesn't involve racism, that has no effect on hiring when a job is gained, and that no effect on wages....and this cycle never becomes a vicious cycle...that one can't see from an ivy covered tower.

I saw dozens and dozens of 20 something black women in court because one of their "baby daddies" was being tried for robbery or theft and in many cases they had multiple children with multiple "baby daddies". Like it or not-that pathology is far far higher among poor blacks than poor whites. why? no idea.