Do black people want a different standard of justice?

[Sabanist]

In the aftermath of the wilson decision im reading many stories of how many more times a black person is likely to be killed by police than other races, how drug laws unfairly "target" black people, prisons filled with blacks being unfair etc

Why should black people be held to a more laxed standard of behavior? The law is what it is.

Dont want to get shot by cops? Dont go beating on cops, robbing stores, and reaching for cops guns

Dont want to be arrested for drugs, dont do drugs

Dont want to go to prison, dont commit felonies

Its pretty easy

 

[blackjack50]

In the aftermath of the wilson decision im reading many stories of how many more times a black person is likely to be killed by police than other races, how drug laws unfairly "target" black people, prisons filled with blacks being unfair etc

Why should black people be held to a more laxed standard of behavior? The law is what it is.

Dont want to get shot by cops? Dont go beating on cops, robbing stores, and reaching for cops guns

Dont want to be arrested for drugs, dont do drugs

Dont want to go to prison, dont commit felonies

Its pretty easy

Sadly...the idea that the law should apply equally to all is seen as racism.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Ask Sharpton.

 

[Rainman05]

Sadly...the idea that the law should apply equally to all is seen as racism.

A small ammendment to that.

It's because "justice" is often used as a code-word for "revenge".

When you see people shouting "Justice for Trayvon" or "Justice for Mike Brown" what they actually mean is "Revenge for Trayvon" and "Revenge for Mike Brown". But "justice" sounds a lot better. But what they really want is revenge. A vendetta. It's just that saying such things makes you seem full of bloodlust while saying "justice" makes you seem honorable.

It's also not their fault entirely for wanting this. They've been told to want this by so-called "black leaders" and ofc, "progressive" talking heads on the internet or on the tv. They've been told that they need this and should want it. ofc, it's their fault for all the looting and robbing, but that's a different part of the story.

 

[Lovebug]

If you are black and being stopped by cops for no reason, thank your thug brethren for making others suspicious of you. Once we break the cycle of 'thuggery and don't snitch to the police', and we treat each other with respect, respect that has to be earned, chances are the cops won't stop you unnecessarily.
Clean your house.

 

[tres borrachos]

A small ammendment to that.

It's because "justice" is often used as a code-word for "revenge".

When you see people shouting "Justice for Trayvon" or "Justice for Mike Brown" what they actually mean is "Revenge for Trayvon" and "Revenge for Mike Brown". But "justice" sounds a lot better. But what they really want is revenge. A vendetta. It's just that saying such things makes you seem full of bloodlust while saying "justice" makes you seem honorable.

Nicely put RM. I wish I could give you multiple likes.

 

[Rainman05]

Nicely put RM. I wish I could give you multiple likes.

I had to make a small edit to that because this whole situation has gone waaay out of hand because of people who instigated this. I'm not saying it wouldn't have ended up badly either way, but I am saying that the massive outbreak of crime that happened after the verdict has gotten to such proportions (and threatens to get bigger) because of the people who kept stoking the fires. Black leaders and "progressive" talking heads.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

If you are black and being stopped by cops for no reason, thank your thug brethren for making others suspicious of you. Once we break the cycle of 'thuggery and don't snitch to the police', and we treat each other with respect, respect that has to be earned, chances are the cops won't stop you unnecessarily.
Clean your house.

So how does this equate to equal treatment under the law


Being stopped because you are black, just because you are black is not equal treatment under the law

 

[ttwtt78640]

The police require citzen cooperation in order to effectively do their job, which is to protect and serve the community primarily by enforcing the laws, but that citizen cooperation is virtually non-existent in areas run by "street justice". We often hear complaints about police (no-knock?) "raids" being used to capture known felons or those wanted on FTA warrants yet little fuss is raised about those harboring these thugs (which is a crime). If the "code of the hood" is to leave even talking to police out the justice system and "snitching" can get you (or your family members) killed then it is no wonder that "the system" does not work as designed (desired?) in these areas.

As we saw last night, too many will use any opportunity to vandalize, loot and burn property or simply randomly fire guns to cause general mayhem. This does not occur in a vaccuum and many know exactly who these morons are yet remain silent and then compllain when the police cannot keep order and must revert to simply staying alive (protecting themselves) in hopes that they may actually catch folks "in the act" in areas where it is not uncommon for crime to occur in broad daylight and/or with several "witnesses" that say whatever BS they can make up to fit their wishes of what really goes on.

What we saw last night - an army of police officers protecting the police station, court house and fire firghters but letting businesses be vandalized, looted and burned to the ground makes me wonder if they should just declare these areas "tribal zones" and place warning signs up to alert out of town folks that they no longer have any real level of police or fire protection. If these folks really want no police "violence" then simply grant them their wishes and save the tax money.

 

[blackjack50]

So how does this equate to equal treatment under the law


Being stopped because you are black, just because you are black is not equal treatment under the law

No. But being black and beating up on an innocent store owner, beating on a cop, reaching for his gun, and getting shot dead as an end result?? That's justified.

 

[rhinefire]

It is now has been and will be for a very long time a self feeding merry-go round, the chicken or the egg deal. Blacks see themselves as victims yet they are identified as law breakers. If a black talks like a white person that person is looked upon as a traitor to blacks. Even the President has been called too white. During the 60's when things got hot it was widely believed we could live as the same but the opposite has come to the surface. All races have no desire to mimic each other. Look at Europe where they have been neighbors since day one and still dislike each other for various reasons based on their national habits and morays. The greatest dilemma with blacks as I see it is they hold on to the idea of being poor is being black. A black is successful and leaves the high crime area as anyone would do but some look at it they are joining the system that suppresses them. Fatherless children will continue to plague blacks and they know that as well as anyone but if a man cannot get employment how can he see himself as a man and that goes back to the self-feeding merry go round.

 

[sawdust]

In the aftermath of the wilson decision im reading many stories of how many more times a black person is likely to be killed by police than other races, how drug laws unfairly "target" black people, prisons filled with blacks being unfair etc

Why should black people be held to a more laxed standard of behavior? The law is what it is.

Dont want to get shot by cops? Dont go beating on cops, robbing stores, and reaching for cops guns

Dont want to be arrested for drugs, dont do drugs

Dont want to go to prison, dont commit felonies

Its pretty easy

You can prove anything with statistics. When the mafia was rolling in Chicago it would have been easy to claim that the cops were unfairly targeting Italians.

There are lots of problems in the black community. They aren't necessarily racial but more cultural. Education isn't valued as highly in predominantly black low income communities as other segments of society. Young black men want to grow up to be pro athletes or rappers rather than doctors or lawyers. Two parent families don't exist in the same numbers as non black families. Government assistance is more concentrated in low income black neighborhoods although there are many more whites on welfare. That's one of those statistic anomalies I mentioned.

As a result of those cultural differences, there are racial impacts. Lack of good education, lack of high paying jobs which result from that lack breeds violence and illegal activity in disproportionate numbers there, resulting in abnormally high arrest rates and prison populations. Black culture has to change from within to achieve any kind of societal advancement. Black leadership resists the kind of change needed to change black culture however. They consider Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson authentically black, regardless of their questionable histories and denigrate people like Carson, Rice, Scott and Thomas as being too white. We all have work to do as individuals to fight prejudice but first blacks have to make some cultural changes within their own communities to improve their lives and ours as well.

 

[American]

So how does this equate to equal treatment under the law


Being stopped because you are black, just because you are black is not equal treatment under the law

That's right it isn't, because people aren't perfect. Do you know what stereotypes are? It's common human behavior to believe in them, and the fact that enough blacks live the stereotype and enough blacks with social cloak (rappers, etc) promote the stereotype, that other begin to believe it's rampant among the black population. So when it comes to situation with police and others with authority you will find a tendency to believe it, and act on it. I'm not saying it's right, but the solution is at the source, which is the urban culture.....the culture the thrives in the ghettos. They need to stop promoting the thug image, and throw it off. If that doesn't happen nothing will change. People outside the culture can try all they want to overlook it, but that's just playing pretend. Like Cosby said, regardless of his current loss of credibility, he's write in saying they need to change their language and their attitude, and stop the droopy pants/hoodie bull****. Stubborn adherence to that culture will never fix things. Even young whites have adopted it to be cool. It's not helping.

 

[AGENT J]

In the aftermath of the wilson decision im reading many stories of how many more times a black person is likely to be killed by police than other races, how drug laws unfairly "target" black people, prisons filled with blacks being unfair etc

Why should black people be held to a more laxed standard of behavior? The law is what it is.

Dont want to get shot by cops? Dont go beating on cops, robbing stores, and reaching for cops guns

Dont want to be arrested for drugs, dont do drugs

Dont want to go to prison, dont commit felonies

Its pretty easy

I stopped reading at the words "black people" since grouping them together is just a mentally inane and dishonest as it would be to group the KKK and abortion clinic bombers in with christians . . . . . . funny when an OP can fail 3 words into the title

 

[ttwtt78640]

I had to make a small edit to that because this whole situation has gone waaay out of hand because of people who instigated this. I'm not saying it wouldn't have ended up badly either way, but I am saying that the massive outbreak of crime that happened after the verdict has gotten to such proportions (and threatens to get bigger) because of the people who kept stoking the fires. Black leaders and "progressive" talking heads.

That is only part of the problem, in this case many "rational" folks are also blaming a police officer for using deadly force to stop a violent thug from attacking him. Are they calling for more protection of business owners (job creators?) and their employees who must bear the brunt of this thuggery on a daily basis? No, they are saying that violent thugs must be "deterred" using non-violent means and that those that do not "snitch" are justified because they are "oppressed".

Was Mr. Brown's partner (accomplice?) arrested for helping him attack a police officer (by lying about what happened) or for not reporting his strong arm robbery? Of course not, he was treated as a "hero" for sticking to the race hustling, poverty pimp's BS that race, not violent crime, caused the police to (over?) react. He was actually expected not to "snitch" and was rewarded for lying for "the cause".

 

[Rainman05]

That is only part of the problem, in this case many "rational" folks are also blaming a police officer for using deadly force to stop a violent thug from attacking him. Are they calling for more protection of business owners (job creators?) and their employees who must bear the brunt of this thuggery on a daily basis? No, they are saying that violent thugs must be "deterred" using non-violent means and that those that do not "snitch" are justified because they are "oppressed".

Was Mr. Brown's partner (accomplice?) arrested for helping him attack a police officer (by lying about what happened) or for not reporting his strong arm robbery? Of course not, he was treated as a "hero" for sticking to the race hustling, poverty pimp's BS that race, not violent crime, caused the police to (over?) react. He was actually expected not to "snitch" and was rewarded for lying for "the cause".

I feel like this video hasn't been more relevant since.



Difference is that OJ was guilty and everyone knows it. But back then, DNA evidence was "a new thing" and everyone on the jury never had tertiary education so it was unknown to them how important DNA evidence is. Considering it is used today to exonerate people who have been convicted of crimes when there was no DNA evidence. But what can you do.

The video however, is pretty clear on the reaction that people had.

 

[ttwtt78640]

If you are black and being stopped by cops for no reason, thank your thug brethren for making others suspicious of you. Once we break the cycle of 'thuggery and don't snitch to the police', and we treat each other with respect, respect that has to be earned, chances are the cops won't stop you unnecessarily.
Clean your house.

Are you kidding me? That is condoning blatant racism (racial profiling?). Does a black person living in rural Texas have anything to do with black gang thugs in Houston, TX? How about a black grocery checker in Houston, TX? What "house can he clean" in order to simply drive down the interstate (or Houston city street) without being suspected of that completely legal act being imagined to be "likely" part some criminal act?

 

[ttwtt78640]

I feel like this video hasn't been more relevant since.



Difference is that OJ was guilty and everyone knows it. But back then, DNA evidence was "a new thing" and everyone on the jury never had tertiary education so it was unknown to them how important DNA evidence is. Considering it is used today to exonerate people who have been convicted of crimes when there was no DNA evidence. But what can you do.

The video however, is pretty clear on the reaction that people had.

My favorite comment, in the video link, was that moron who saw the OJ trial as having been on a level playing field. Perhaps having the "dream team" should become the new deal. This was a case of justice being severely delayed and being bought, IMHO. Once you make the trial about race, justice (and logic?) flies right out the window.

 

[OrphanSlug]

In the aftermath of the wilson decision im reading many stories of how many more times a black person is likely to be killed by police than other races, how drug laws unfairly "target" black people, prisons filled with blacks being unfair etc

Why should black people be held to a more laxed standard of behavior? The law is what it is.

Dont want to get shot by cops? Dont go beating on cops, robbing stores, and reaching for cops guns

Dont want to be arrested for drugs, dont do drugs

Dont want to go to prison, dont commit felonies

Its pretty easy

The issue is these simple statements do not match society rhetoric.

There is plenty to agree with you on. For instance, I would agree if one does not want to get shot by a police officer then one should not go into a local store and commit both theft by taking and assault only to then engage the police in a forceful manner including assault and reaching for a police officer's gun. That is a relatively fair assessment of the Wilson / Brown case. The issue boils down to perception of the events vs. what happened by the accounts and evidence as released by the District Attorney concerning what the Grand Jury heard and saw.

I do not think that the black community is looking for a lesser standard of law, that would be argumentative. What I do think it happening is what usually happens in this nation, the politicization of social issues only to see horrible results because of.

Your issue is there is some truth to the notion of how law is applied. Especially when it comes to drugs. When you review statistics from the FBI, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the American Medical Association, the Bureau of Justice Statistics, etc. you will find that American Minorities tend to use drugs by percentage less than White Americans. However, American Minorities serve disproportionately more time and at higher rates than White Americans for the same drug related crime. That is a legitimate issue where we need to focus our attention. Not just for the "war on drugs" debate, but the social and fiscal costs associated with the fact that the US leads the reporting planet (as in every nation that releases such statistics including places like Russia, China, and many in the Middle East) in both incarceration rate and length of time per crime found guilty of. Again, more legitimate issues we need to be talking about instead of whimsically suggesting crime is applied equally today. It clearly is not.

Truth be told (with plenty of reasons as to why) our criminal justice system, policy, and how we craft legislation concerning it perpetuate a chronic underclass of citizens in this nation that comes with all kinds of social and economic consequence.

So what do we do now?

I do not think we have a choice but to honestly evaluate how law is applied to people in this nation along disparate lines. That is not a call for the law to be less applied to American Minorities, it is a call to evaluate these laws for what they are actually doing vs. what the intention was. In a way, we have already made matters worse by the notion that even Obama says... minority communities "need law enforcement more than anybody." Well, do they? Or, do we need to really look at what our society has become under our present assessment of law enforcement and system of criminal justice? Perhaps the latter is where we should be looking instead of the former.

 

[ARealConservative]

Dont want to be arrested for drugs, dont do drugs

you forgot one.

don't want to be arrested for political crimes ~ don't speak in public.

 

[Rainman05]

My favorite comment, in the video link, was that moron who saw the OJ trial as having been on a level playing field. Perhaps having the "dream team" should become the new deal. This was a case of justice being severely delayed and being bought, IMHO. Once you make the trial about race, justice (and logic?) flies right out the window.

So true.

The guy hired what? 10 lawyers? 2 only tasked with defaiming DNA evidence? Because as I said, it was new, and nobody on the jury had academic education IIRC so ofc, with sufficient money (20mil? ) you could get away from prison. Throw sufficient money at a problem and a solution will build itself. If everyone had 20mil, we'd all have the best justice money can buy. But even all that money couldn't fool people who had no racial bias in the case. You saw those 2-3 blacks who said that he's still guilty, because they weren't racially biased, they didn't have "that's mah boy" mentality like all the other black people in that video had who jumped up and down with joy.

I'm pretty sure that had OJ been convicted, all those people who jumped up and down when the verdict came would have rioted and cried out for "JUSTICE FOR OJ". Because they had a personal, racial stake in the whole thing.

 

[Unrepresented]

The grand jury decision isn't really the issue here, but rather, it's representative of the social, economic, and legal imbalance that our country has that's stacked against blacks. They're protesting a much larger list of grievances than the questionable death by of a single unarmed man. That just happens to be the catalyst at this time.

Seeing the grand jury decision as an isolated incident is where the two sides diverge.

 

[ttwtt78640]

So true.

The guy hired what? 10 lawyers? 2 only tasked with defaiming DNA evidence? Because as I said, it was new, and nobody on the jury had academic education IIRC so ofc, with sufficient money (20mil? ) you could get away from prison. Throw sufficient money at a problem and a solution will build itself. If everyone had 20mil, we'd all have the best justice money can buy. But even all that money couldn't fool people who had no racial bias in the case. You saw those 2-3 blacks who said that he's still guilty, because they weren't racially biased, they didn't have "that's mah boy" mentality like all the other black people in that video had who jumped up and down with joy.

I'm pretty sure that had OJ been convicted, all those people who jumped up and down when the verdict came would have rioted and cried out for "JUSTICE FOR OJ". Because they had a personal, racial stake in the whole thing.

Yep, if you were to point out that OJ is merely an example of "just us"', simply another rich guy beating the system, then they might briefly wonder what you meant by that, but then would come back to "but the brother won this time" so it was justice.

 

[ataturk]

I feel like this video hasn't been more relevant since.



Difference is that OJ was guilty and everyone knows it. But back then, DNA evidence was "a new thing" and everyone on the jury never had tertiary education so it was unknown to them how important DNA evidence is. Considering it is used today to exonerate people who have been convicted of crimes when there was no DNA evidence. But what can you do.

The video however, is pretty clear on the reaction that people had.

Utterly disgusting Yo7yu can see the blacks rejopicing that a black man can murder a white woman and get away with it.

Worse than them are teh white race traitors. teh leftisst and self haters who delight in white women being raped and murdered.

 

[Paschendale]

No. But being black and beating up on an innocent store owner, beating on a cop, reaching for his gun, and getting shot dead as an end result?? That's justified.

The problem is more that doing all those things and being white leads to being shot dead a lot less often.

The grand jury decision isn't really the issue here, but rather, it's representative of the social, economic, and legal imbalance that our country has that's stacked against blacks. They're protesting a much larger list of grievances than the questionable death by of a single unarmed man. That just happens to be the catalyst at this time.

Seeing the grand jury decision as an isolated incident is where the two sides diverge.

It also shows the bizarre contradiction how this country claims to be very distrustful of government, afraid of jack-booted thugs coming for them, and yet constantly supports the actual agents of that government when they kill citizens. The government is apparently really scary when it might come from far away and kill you, but when it lives in your neighborhood and does kill you (or rather, kill someone you could consider "them" and not "us"), then it's not frightening at all. I don't get it.