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Do American conservatives think Canada and Mexico are bad neighbors?

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Do American conservatives think Canada and Mexico are bad neighbors?

Trump goes on about building a wall on the Mexican border, he said Mexico was sending drugs and crine across the border and goes on about how Mexico is stealing the US' jobs and complains about the trade deficit between Mexico and the US.

Trump is not as harsh to Canada, but he slaps tariffs on Canadian lumber, calls Canada's dairy system a disgrace, complains about a trade deficit between Canada and the US (which is either really small or the US has a surplus with Canada, depending on who you ask). Conservatives like Scott Walker and various people on Fox News have talked about the need to build a wall on the Canadian border.

So do American conservatives want to micromanage Canada and Mexico's affairs? Do they truly think Canada and Mexico rigged NAFTA to screw over the US?

For all this complaining about Canada and Mexico, do they realize how lucky are not border truly hostile countries that would fire missiles at them or send raiding parties across the border?

I think Canada is the best neighbor the US can hope for and Mexico may not be perfect, its not a enemy the way North Korea is.
 

I don't know, what conservatives think. My suspicion is that some think this and others that.
In any event, rational folks among conservatives, liberals and progressives probably see that the deal is not producing balanced trade and that probably we signed a treaty that needs to be fixed.
 
What's wrong with Canadian dairy now all of a sudden?
As far as NAFTA, George H.W. Bush is the father of the agreement, it was co-written by him, Salinas and Mulroney.

I'm not opposed to Trump demanding renegotiation of NAFTA, it's the sensible thing to do, but threatening to withdraw creates several instant crises, most of which would cause serious blowback to our own economy. The North American region has adjusted to NAFTA, warts and all, so a sudden withdrawal would cause serious economic shocks to all three countries.

Supporters CLAIM that NAFTA withdrawal "might restore the 500,000 - 750,000 manufacturing jobs lost in California, New York, Michigan and Texas", but there is little to no corroborating evidence that any company would automatically bring jobs home. There is no concomittant INCENTIVE for them to do so, so they might just as easily send all those jobs overseas.
Trump CLAIMS he will reward companies that bring jobs home but I personally have seen ZERO evidence that he has made good on those promises.

Again, if Trump insists on renegotiating NAFTA, I would support the idea PROVIDED he negotiates in GOOD faith, which is the Trump STICKING POINT I have difficulty with.
 
Do American conservatives think Canada and Mexico are bad neighbors?

Well, not so much Canada, as most Canadians are white.
 

When I ask what conservatives think on a issue, its obvious I asking for individual conservatives to give their opinion on it.

I know more about Canada then Mexico, the Canada US trade relationship is worth 600 billion dollars and Trump is complaining about a 17 billion dollar deficit between the two countries and other people say the US has a surplus with Canada.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/3898843/trade-deficit-canada-us-donald-trump/amp/

What do want from Canada at this point? Calling Canada's dairy system a disgrace makes it seem like Canada is commiting milk related war crimes.

Its not like the US always plays fair when it comes to trade, the US dumps s ton of corn on the Mexican market.

Do you want fair trade or a one sided deal where Mexico and Canada have to completely open their markets, but the US can impose tariffs at their leisure?
 
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What do you do if your trade partners refuse to change the terms in a way that's equitable to your own interests and if you take the option of withdrawal off the table why would your trade partners be receptive to giving up any of the advantages they currently benefit from?

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What if the other trade partners think the changes Trump proposes are unfair and designed to screw them over?
 

Just consider the following:

Mexico is creating a back-up plan if Trump makes good on this threat to pull out of NAFTA. It turned toward the Pacific Alliance. In 2011, the alliance created a free trade zone between Mexico, Colombia, Chile and Peru. In 2017, 94 percent of all goods traded were tariff-free.

Before NAFTA, Mexican tariffs on U.S. imports were 250 percent higher than U.S. tariffs on Mexican imports.
Guess what, that means Mexico goes back to manufacturing VW Beetles and steps up its import of Japanese and Korean cars.
US automakers would take another massive hit once again.

Exports to both Mexico and Canada would decrease. Mexico would revert to the high tariffs it had before NAFTA. Mexico is the top export destination for U.S.-grown beef, rice, soybean meal, corn sweeteners, apples and beans. It is the second-largest export destination for corn, soybeans and oils.

American farmers are concerned that Trump would jeopardize their livelihood. They don't want to lose the $17.9 billion in agricultural products they exported to Mexico in 2016. Their Mexican buyers are hesitating to sign long-term contracts. Instead, many are already sourcing commodities from Argentina and other Latin American countries.

All I am saying is, be very careful about using weapons of mass destruction.
With Donald Trump, WMD's are his favorite FIRST OPTION. This is the guy who seriously asked "why we can't just use nukes in Europe".
 
apdst said:
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Maybe we should just invade and conquer them one at a time, problem solved eh? No wait, not Mexico because that means a bunch of brown people would be American citizens, can’t have that. Just stick conquering Canada.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Maybe we should just invade and conquer them one at a time, problem solved eh?
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Mexico, for sure. Take everything between Texas and the Panama Canal. Clean that ****hole up.

Canada needs to stop sucking from the tit and take care of themselves. Everyone in the world needs to accept the fact that The United States and her people are superior to all of them and understand that they will always be competing for 2nd place.
 
apdst said:
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Care to elaborate? How are Canada and Mexico bad neighbors?

American conservatives saying Canada is a bad neighbor makes them seem ungrateful, considering some of the things Canada has done for the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellow_Ribbon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper

Willing to throw one your best friends under the bus over a few trade issues is not great behavior.

As for Mexico, yeah its not perfect, but its not an enemy state like North Korea, there some issues, but Mexico is not actively trying to harm the US, IMO.



How is Canada sucking the tit? How much money do you think the US spends to defend Canada? Canada is defended by geography, there is only one country in the world that can easily invade Canada and that would be the US.
 

They've both been mooching off of us for decades.
 
apdst said:
They've both been mooching off of us for decades.
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You really have no ****ing idea what you’re talking about. Nationalists make me sick. Just a form of collective narcissism, where the citizen possess an inflated self-love of "their own people," to the exclusion of other human beings.
 
HenryChinaski said:
You really have no ****ing idea what you’re talking about. Nationalists make me sick. Just a form of collective narcissism, where the citizen possess an inflated self-love of "their own people," to the exclusion of other human beings.
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What country do you live in?
 
Yes_Minister said:
What if the other trade partners think the changes Trump proposes are unfair and designed to screw them over?
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That's why having the ability to withdraw is important to everyone. If we can't all agree than we should end the agreement.

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apdst said:
They've both been mooching off of us for decades.
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Care to elaborate, you have a habit of making short vague statements designed to get a rise out people, but don't back them up.

Do you think Canada and Mexico have secret palaces filled with money they stole from the US through bad trade deals? Is there an evil factory in Burlington Ontario, designed solely to steal American jobs?

Also if the US is so superior to Canada, why are not millions of white anglo Canadians trying to sneak in? They would blend in pretty easy.
 
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That's why having the ability to withdraw is important to everyone. If we can't all agree than we should end the agreement.

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Okay, but then how do we handle trade relations between Canada, the US and Mexico?
 
apdst said:
What country do you live in?
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Born and raised in the US and I live here. I lived in Canada for 2 years and Switzerland for a year. It’s a much higher standard of living in those two countries, I’ll tell you that. and the people are lot ****ing nicer.
 

It's like listening to Boss Hawg on Dukes of Hazzard.

 
HenryChinaski said:
Born and raised in the US and I live here. I lived in Canada for 2 years and Switzerland for a year. It’s a much higher standard of living in those two countries, I’ll tell you that. and the people are lot ****ing nicer.
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You don't seem to be in a hurry to move to Mexico. Why not? Because it's a ****hole?
 
apdst said:
You don't seem to be in a hurry to move to Mexico. Why not? Because it's a ****hole?
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I’ve never been to Mexico. I’ve friends and family who have though. They disagree with your idiotic statement.
 

I would love to...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4550207

Also if the US is so superior to Canada, why are not millions of white anglo Canadians trying to sneak in? They would blend in pretty easy.
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Probably because there aren't enough white people in The United States.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I’ve never been to Mexico. I’ve friends and family who have though. They disagree with your idiotic statement.
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Yeah, they went to the touristy places. I bet they didn't stay...lol
 
apdst said:
I would love to...

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4550207
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Did Canada get those jobs, because it doesn't seem like it.

Manufacturing in Canada Fading Much Faster Than In U.S. Since NAFTA

So how is Canada mooching again?


apdst said:
Probably because there aren't enough white people in The United States.
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Yeah, anglo Canadians would stick out like a sore thumb, clearly.:roll: That's why they don't try to sneak in, they are so foreign looking, ICE would catch them in a second. There is no reason besides that, its certainly not because most of them just prefer to live in Canada.
 
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