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DNA to identify their child?

mrjurrs said:
Where did I ever put values on one type of death over the others? When you are speaking of gun violence, the subject is gun violence, not drug overdoses.
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When you said gun deaths are offensive, I stated all murders are. You didn't rebut that but replied that you were talking about gun deaths and that most were by suicide. The implication to me was that you take offense with deaths/murders/suicides that involve a gun but not necessarily any others. Maybe I just read too much into it as you seem to be all over the place in this thread.
 
mrjurrs said:
Your big fat claim is rejected due to ignoring reality.
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What reality? What claim? I'm rejecting the claim you made with absolutely zero evidence.

Speaking of ignoring reality, what's so incredibly stupid about all of this is that banning rifles based on whether they have pistol grips will have no effect on Biden's imaginary problem of children being render unidentifiable without DNA testing.
 
mrjurrs said:
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So Biden is right on the first claim, but completely ****ing bonkers on:

"Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels five times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun, five times — is lighter — and can pierce Kevlar?

Imagine being a parent — not just losing a child, but not being able to physically identify the child, or the adult, because they’ve literally been blown apart."

Do you believe him on this quote or is he completely ****ing bonkers?
 
mrjurrs said:
Yes it matters. They were murdered in their classroom by a weapon that has no reason to be in the hands of civilians.

Which part of the quote is exaggerated or untrue?
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You already said you don't determine the needs of others.

Also, they weren't murdered by the AR-15. I understand that it's important to keep that implication out there, though. As important as dancing around the bodies of dead children shouting, "Look at this! Look at this!" for the sake of political partisanship.

I don't really blame you personally for that. You're just repeating what you were told.

That's something else I'm beginning to understand when it becomes frustrating that some anti-gun zealots don't seem to be able to grasp the slightest of logic, nor when their positions are utterly annihilated. Their positions are all rote. They can no more respond to a criticism than can a parrot.
 
mrjurrs said:
Yes it matters. They were murdered in their classroom by a weapon that has no reason to be in the hands of civilians.

Which part of the quote is exaggerated or untrue?
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Not your decision what guns Americans can buy
They were murdered by a nut job with a gun
I built my first AR several months ago and my son and I really enjoy shooting it
We don’t need to justify that to anyone
 
Tlrmln said:
What reality? What claim? I'm rejecting the claim you made with absolutely zero evidence.

Speaking of ignoring reality, what's so incredibly stupid about all of this is that banning rifles based on whether they have pistol grips will have no effect on Biden's imaginary problem of children being render unidentifiable without DNA testing.
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The banning of semiautomatic rifles in 1984 reduced gun violence from that type of firearm for 10 years. Then shockingly, the nRa party brought them back.
 
Rucker61 said:
It's not about needs.
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Exactly. Gun owners do not need an AR-15 for anything. They want them. And we can all see what happens because some are too immature to restrain their desires.
 
Rucker61 said:
So Biden is right on the first claim, but completely ****ing bonkers on:

"Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels five times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun, five times — is lighter — and can pierce Kevlar?

Imagine being a parent — not just losing a child, but not being able to physically identify the child, or the adult, because they’ve literally been blown apart."

Do you believe him on this quote or is he completely ****ing bonkers?
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Did I quote that anywhere?
 
SMTA said:
Not your decision what guns Americans can buy
They were murdered by a nut job with a gun
I built my first AR several months ago and my son and I really enjoy shooting it
We don’t need to justify that to anyone
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That nutcase was a law abiding citizen...until he wasn't.

You don't have to justify anything to me. I imagine that you feel no remorse for those killed by unnecessary weapons. Because...we really enjoy shooting it. That joy can't be filled by shooting other firearms?
 
mrjurrs said:
That nutcase was a law abiding citizen...until he wasn't.

You don't have to justify anything to me. I imagine that you feel no remorse for those killed by unnecessary weapons. Because...we really enjoy shooting it. That joy can't be filled by shooting other firearms?
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Since mine are necessary, there's no reason to feel remorse for those killed by unnecessary guns. I mean...if being killed by a gun, was even a thing. Actually, that's even a better reason for not feeling culpable. Why should I- a person- feel remorse for a gun killing someone, when I'm not a gun? Maybe my AR-15 does...I dunno.

Chrissake....do you get weepy and remorseful every time someone is killed with a steak knife, just because you own some kitchen cutlery?
 
mrjurrs said:
The banning of semiautomatic rifles in 1984 reduced gun violence from that type of firearm for 10 years. Then shockingly, the nRa party brought them back.
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In the decade prior to the 1994 ban, there were just two mass shootings with a semiautomatic rifle later classified as an "assault weapon". During the decade of the ban, there were also two associated shootings by semiautomatic rifles classified as "assault weapons". None of these shootings involved AR-15s.

Why do you keep forgetting that the ban wasn't actually a ban?

www.motherjones.com

US mass shootings, 1982–2025: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com
 
mrjurrs said:
That nutcase was a law abiding citizen...until he wasn't.
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This isn't a legal concept.
mrjurrs said:
You don't have to justify anything to me. I imagine that you feel no remorse for those killed by unnecessary weapons. Because...we really enjoy shooting it. That joy can't be filled by shooting other firearms?
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"Unnecessary" isn't a legal concept.

"Other firearms" are used to kill thousands more victims every year than have ever been killed in a mass shooting by a shooter using an AR-15, in 58 years.
 
mrjurrs said:
I'm opposed to civilians carrying weapons that require it. But I am taking you as saying a dead child is a dead child...why worry about the injuries that caused the death?
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Didn't Biden tell people to carry a shotgun? Wouldn't that have the same effect, far more often?
 
mrjurrs said:
That nutcase was a law abiding citizen...until he wasn't.

You don't have to justify anything to me. I imagine that you feel no remorse for those killed by unnecessary weapons. Because...we really enjoy shooting it. That joy can't be filled by shooting other firearms?
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I can shoot anything that I want
You still can’t read English
My remorse is real, but doesn’t change my hobbies
That idiots actions have nothing to do with me.
Cry all you want - our guns and ammunition are quite legal, and your crocodile tears won’t change that.

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Rucker61 said:
So Biden is right on the first claim, but completely ****ing bonkers on:

"Do you realize the bullet out of an AR-15 travels five times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun, five times — is lighter — and can pierce Kevlar?

Imagine being a parent — not just losing a child, but not being able to physically identify the child, or the adult, because they’ve literally been blown apart."

Do you believe him on this quote or is he completely ****ing bonkers?
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That depends upon the other gun
 
mrjurrs said:
giffords.org

2021 CDC Data Shows Record Number of Gun Deaths

CDC data suggests nearly 49,000 people died from gun violence in 2021. The national gun violence crisis demands action.
giffords.org giffords.org

"Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group (Figure 1)"

Read them and weep.
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Since you seem to include ALL gun deaths (which is a little off the beaten path here) read this and weep
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/202205.htm and not all that Giffords BS.
Where is all the indignation you should be showing over drug deaths?
 
zsu2357 said:
And if memory serves it was on or about post 16. I believe the rude comment was made to a one MR. Rucker.
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Consider the source - it don’t mean shit
 
mrjurrs said:
No, but it does point to the fact that American gun owners are buying weapons that they want, not that they need.
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Why does that bother you so much? You've never bought anything you wanted? Not needed just wanted. And if you did or rather do what would your reaction be if one of US said you don't need that so why buy it?
And don't go saying how many babies am I going to murder with my new hair dryer.
 
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