'Divorced from the facts': DOJ shoots down claims Strzok and the FBI trapped Flynn

[Stealers Wheel]

She is just doing her job. The person that makes a difference is the Jurge and he is very familiar with malfeasance from government lawyers. Again why ask Flynn about a legal conversation that they already knew verbatim. It was a setup and they even told Flynn he didn’t need a lawyer. I’m betting the case will be dismissed .

He didn't need a lawyer - until he lied to the FBI.

 

[SLC]

He didn't need a lawyer - until he lied to the FBI.

He said he didn't remember. He had spoken with hundreds of dignitaries since he was appointed NSA.

 

[SLC]

Lol, I guess Pence, Priebus and Spicer were all out to entrap Flynn too.

You are suppose to site the author of your quote.

 

[Moot]

They already had the conversation on tape why would they ask about the LEGAL conversation if they already had it. They asked about it to entrap Flynn. You need to put some sauce on that spaghetti because you are going to have to eat it.

If it was a "legal" conversation then why did Flynn lie to the FBI about it? The record shows they gave him ample opportunity to tell the truth and he chose not to. He only admitted guilt after he realized the conversation had been recorded. Lying to cover something up shows a guilty mind..aka...mens rea. It's always the cover up that nails them.

 

[HAL9000]

You are suppose to site the author of your quote.

Jessie K Liu. It's from the filing.

 

[Parrish]

Flynn's use of the Fox News innocence by reason of Sean Hannity didn't work.

 

[Atomic Kid]

He said he didn't remember. He had spoken with hundreds of dignitaries since he was appointed NSA.

He doesn't remember calling the Russian ambassador on the very day the sanctions by the Obama Administration were to take effect after being told by top Trump campaign officials at Mar-a -Lago, K T Mcfarland, Reince Priebus, Kellyanne Conway, Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon, to communicate to Kislyak about the U.S. sanctions? Yeah, right.

 

[SLC]

If it was a "legal" conversation then why did Flynn lie to the FBI about it?

He forgot.

The record shows they gave him ample opportunity to tell the truth and he chose not to. He only admitted guilt after he realized the conversation had been recorded. Lying to cover something up shows a guilty mind..aka...mens rea. It's always the cover up that nails them.

Flynn knew all phone calls to the Russian Ambassador are recorded. Transition governments usually talk to ambassadors etc. What Flynn did was normal and legal. You noticed the FBI has never said the content of the call was illegal. There is a reason for that.

 

[SLC]

He doesn't remember calling the Russian ambassador on the very day the sanctions by the Obama Administration were to take effect after being told by top Trump campaign officials at Mar-a -Lago, K T Mcfarland, Reince Priebus, Kellyanne Conway, Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon, to communicate to Kislyak about the U.S. sanctions? Yeah, right.

He spoke with lots of people. Notice the FBI has never even suggested the content of the call was illegal.

 

[Parrish]

He said he didn't remember. He had spoken with hundreds of dignitaries since he was appointed NSA.

Except for the fact that the call was intercepted by the intelligence agencies he was set to oversee. How ironic or moronic of Flynn.

 

[Atomic Kid]

He spoke with lots of people. Notice the FBI has never even suggested the content of the call was illegal.

Never suggested that it wasn't either. Ever hear of the Logan Act? But let's say for the sake of argument that this was a completely 'legal' conversation. Or at least that he believed it to be. Why did he choose to lie about it and held to the lie even after getting corrective prompts from the agents?

 

[HAL9000]

He spoke with lots of people. Notice the FBI has never even suggested the content of the call was illegal.

And yet, the judge asked prosecutors if they had considered charging him with treason. So maybe what he said wasn't illegal, but it sounds close enough to a line that he wouldn't want it getting out. You aren't allowed to lie to investigators, even if it's embarrassing.

 

[SLC]

Except for the fact that the call was intercepted by the intelligence agencies he was set to oversee. How ironic or moronic of Flynn.

He knew it was recorded. The FBI [Peter Strozk] lied on its 302s and edited them to make it appear that Flynn lied to them.

 

[Parrish]

He knew it was recorded. The FBI [Peter Strozk] lied on its 302s and edited them to make it appear that Flynn lied to them.

No he didn't. He's not as stupid or gullible as his former boss's sycophants are.

 

[HAL9000]

He knew it was recorded. The FBI [Peter Strozk] lied on its 302s and edited them to make it appear that Flynn lied to them.

“The defendant made the same false statements to the Vice President, White House Chief of Staff, and White House Press Secretary, each of whom repeated the defendant’s false statements on national television.”

Jessie K Liu

 

[SLC]

And yet, the judge asked prosecutors if they had considered charging him with treason. So maybe what he said wasn't illegal, but it sounds close enough to a line that he wouldn't want it getting out. You aren't allowed to lie to investigators, even if it's embarrassing.

Nope the Judge screwed up his timeline. He obviously thought Flynn was a foreign agent for Turkey while he was the NSA for the US. That was inaccurate. When Judge Sullivan returned from recess he did a complete 180 and was very kind to Flynn. Now Sullivan has delayed a hearing that was scheduled for Nov 7. So we shall see if Sullivan agrees with Powell or Liu. But if the FBI did edit the 302s and hide exculpatory evidence I doubt Sullivan will be sympathetic with the government.

 

[SLC]

Never suggested that it wasn't either. Ever hear of the Logan Act? But let's say for the sake of argument that this was a completely 'legal' conversation. Or at least that he believed it to be. Why did he choose to lie about it and held to the lie even after getting corrective prompts from the agents?

The Logan Act does not apply to a presidential transitional team. :lol:

 

[Parrish]

Nope the Judge screwed up his timeline. He obviously thought Flynn was a foreign agent for Turkey while he was the NSA for the US. That was inaccurate. When Judge Sullivan returned from recess he did a complete 180 and was very kind to Flynn. Now Sullivan has delayed a hearing that was scheduled for Nov 7. So we shall see if Sullivan agrees with Powell or Liu. But if the FBI did edit the 302s and hide exculpatory evidence I doubt Sullivan will be sympathetic with the government.

:lamo

 

[Parrish]

The Logan Act does not apply to a presidential transitional team. :lol:

Man, you're eat up with it. And, quite entertaining.

 

[Atomic Kid]

He knew it was recorded. The FBI [Peter Strozk] lied on its 302s and edited them to make it appear that Flynn lied to them.

That has now been completely debunked with the their release. Don't you think it's about time you got in touch with the real world?

 

[Atomic Kid]

The Logan Act does not apply to a presidential transitional team. :lol:

It certainly does since none them have been sworn into office as an official of the federal government. They are still private citizens.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Nope the Judge screwed up his timeline. He obviously thought Flynn was a foreign agent for Turkey while he was the NSA for the US. That was inaccurate. When Judge Sullivan returned from recess he did a complete 180 and was very kind to Flynn. Now Sullivan has delayed a hearing that was scheduled for Nov 7. So we shall see if Sullivan agrees with Powell or Liu. But if the FBI did edit the 302s and hide exculpatory evidence I doubt Sullivan will be sympathetic with the government.

Nope, the judge was outraged by the redacted information contained within the Mueller sentencing memo which we didn't get to see that he did. So there's more to this story than just this phone call.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It worked out exactly as we told you. Trump colluded with the Russians to help him win the election. That was proven by Mueller who also said he could not prove a criminal conspiracy for various reasons including destruction of evidence and serial lying to prosecutors by Trump associates. That does not change the fact that Trump knew about the Russian help, welcomed it and expected to benefit from it. You are proud of that?

Minor legal point here - even IF Mr. Trump "knew about the Russian help, welcomed it and expected to benefit from it" that is NOT sufficient to establish a "conspiracy". In order to establish a "conspiracy" one would also have to establish that Mr. Trump was actively involved in the planning and/or implementation of "the Russian help".

There is absolutely no evidence that Mr. Trump was actively involved in the planning and/or implementation of "the Russian help" and the fact that the Russians both knew what they were doing and were smart enough NOT to allow anyone with a personality profile similar to Mr. Trump's personality profile to even come close to being actively involved in the planning and/or implementation of "the Russian help" mitigates strongly against Mr. Trump BEING A PARTY (as opposed to being a beneficiary) of whatever conspiracy was behind "the Russian help".

I guess you could liken the difference to the difference between

"someone who _arranges_ with people who are going to rob a bank to toss money money out the window of their getaway car in order to increase their chances of not being caught getting to the bank when the robbers are robbing it then standing around holding a bushel basket so that they can catch more or the tossed money"
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and

"someone who _learns_ that a bank is going to be robbed and that the robbers are going to toss money out of the window of their getaway car in order to increase their chances of not being caught getting to the bank when the robbers are robbing it then standing around holding a bushel basket so that they can catch more or the tossed money"
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with one set of activities being a conspiracy and the other not.

 

[SLC]

It certainly does since none them have been sworn into office as an official of the federal government. They are still private citizens.

Not in this case and that is why Mueller didn't charge Flynn with a violation of the Logan act.

 

[What if...?]

Minor legal point here - even IF Mr. Trump "knew about the Russian help, welcomed it and expected to benefit from it" that is NOT sufficient to establish a "conspiracy". In order to establish a "conspiracy" one would also have to establish that Mr. Trump was actively involved in the planning and/or implementation of "the Russian help".

There is absolutely no evidence that Mr. Trump was actively involved in the planning and/or implementation of "the Russian help" and the fact that the Russians both knew what they were doing and were smart enough NOT to allow anyone with a personality profile similar to Mr. Trump's personality profile to even come close to being actively involved in the planning and/or implementation of "the Russian help" mitigates strongly against Mr. Trump BEING A PARTY (as opposed to being a beneficiary) of whatever conspiracy was behind "the Russian help".

I guess you could liken the difference to the difference between

"someone who _arranges_ with people who are going to rob a bank to toss money money out the window of their getaway car in order to increase their chances of not being caught getting to the bank when the robbers are robbing it then standing around holding a bushel basket so that they can catch more or the tossed money"
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and

"someone who _learns_ that a bank is going to be robbed and that the robbers are going to toss money out of the window of their getaway car in order to increase their chances of not being caught getting to the bank when the robbers are robbing it then standing around holding a bushel basket so that they can catch more or the tossed money"
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with one set of activities being a conspiracy and the other not.

I didn't find out until later about the Internal.polling data manafort handed off to a person linked to the troll farms. Which is one of the things I said would be evidence of conspiracy. No evidence link apparently.

And It is also interesting that manafort left the trump tower meeting immediately. Had he stayed he couldn't have successfully claimed he didn't know it was illegal.