Discussion on Hamas (Majority Report w/Scahill) (1 Viewer)

[Dans La Lune]

Interesting discussion ongoing with Jeremey Scahill (Drop Site News) about the origins of Hamas and what its Modus Operandi is. Breakdown from Scahill:

- Hamas is first and foremost a Palestinian liberation group, not an Islamist group. It is not anywhere near as extreme as (nor does it parellel) the ideology of ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
- It has no problem with US outside of the US support for Israeli domination of Palestinians.
- The Abraham Accords were an existential threat to Palestinians. It would cement Israeli dominance and foreclose all hope of Palestinian liberation, with Saudi Arab complicity.
- The mix of the Abraham Accords and increasing Israeli pressure is what led to Oct 7th.
- There were more than half a dozen armed Palestinian resistance groups: Some were Christian, some were Muslim, some where secular.
- Outside of Sinwar, few of Hamas leadership even knew of October 7th.
- Most of Hamas' weaponry comes from their own manufacturing and/or by retrofitting Israel weaponry
- Trump put more pressure on Israel before the election than Biden did in his entire presidency (sorry, it's true).
- Hamas feels Trump's blatant corruption and self-serving nature is less of a wall for peace than Biden's committed ideological Zionism.

 

[bomberfox]

Interesting discussion ongoing with Jeremey Scahill (Drop Site News) about the origins of Hamas and what its Modus Operandi is. Breakdown from Scahill:

- Hamas is first and foremost a Palestinian liberation group, not an Islamist group. It is not anywhere near as extreme as (nor does it parellel) the ideology of ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
- It has no problem with US outside of the US support for Israeli domination of Palestinians.
- The Abraham Accords were an existential threat to Palestinians. It would cement Israeli dominance and foreclose all hope of Palestinian liberation, with Saudi Arab complicity.
- The mix of the Abraham Accords and increasing Israeli pressure is what led to Oct 7th.
- There were more than half a dozen armed Palestinian resistance groups: Some were Christian, some were Muslim, some where secular.
- Outside of Sinwar, few of Hamas leadership even knew of October 7th.
- Most of Hamas' weaponry comes from their own manufacturing and/or by retrofitting Israel weaponry
- Trump put more pressure on Israel before the election than Biden did in his entire presidency (sorry, it's true).
- Hamas feels Trump's blatant corruption and self-serving nature is less of a wall for peace than Biden's committed ideological Zionism.

Ummm Trump is actually wanting more occupation of gaza. Like you guys think that mere few concessions are a change that is utterly ludicrous. Trump wants to complete the genocide.

 

[Apocalypse]

Hamas supporters who openly support Hamas on DP? No way.

 

[oneworld2]

Hamas supporters who openly support Hamas on DP? No way.

Some people support the truth, you are not one of them and that's a you issue.

 

[oneworld2]

Interesting discussion ongoing with Jeremey Scahill (Drop Site News) about the origins of Hamas and what its Modus Operandi is. Breakdown from Scahill:

- Hamas is first and foremost a Palestinian liberation group, not an Islamist group. It is not anywhere near as extreme as (nor does it parellel) the ideology of ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
- It has no problem with US outside of the US support for Israeli domination of Palestinians.
- The Abraham Accords were an existential threat to Palestinians. It would cement Israeli dominance and foreclose all hope of Palestinian liberation, with Saudi Arab complicity.
- The mix of the Abraham Accords and increasing Israeli pressure is what led to Oct 7th.
- There were more than half a dozen armed Palestinian resistance groups: Some were Christian, some were Muslim, some where secular.
- Outside of Sinwar, few of Hamas leadership even knew of October 7th.
- Most of Hamas' weaponry comes from their own manufacturing and/or by retrofitting Israel weaponry
- Trump put more pressure on Israel before the election than Biden did in his entire presidency (sorry, it's true).
- Hamas feels Trump's blatant corruption and self-serving nature is less of a wall for peace than Biden's committed ideological Zionism.

Can't really argue with much of that breakdown seeing as it's all fact based.

The common comparison of Hamas with ISIS/AQ etc are just Israeli/Western propaganda tropes to try to hide the fact that they are a national liberation movement.

The fact that the West is okay with a former ISIS/AQ leader taking control of Syria should tell any thinking person all they need to know about the shoddiness of the propaganda

 

[Dans La Lune]

Treatment of Palestinian prisoners (by Israel, a 1st World Power with unlimited sources):

‘I was blindfolded and shackled for 45 days’: Released Palestinian abductee exposes Israeli abuse

A Palestinian abductee who was among the prisoners released on Saturday by Israel as part of the recent ceasefire deal has recounted the tragic ordeal and brutal torture that he has been through in the occupying regime’s detention.

www.presstv.ir

vs.

Treatment of IDF soldiers (by Hamas, a 3rd World Power):

Israeli-American hostage Edan Alexander returns to Israel after release by Hamas

Alexander, believed to be the last living captive with US nationality in Gaza, was taken by Hamas during the 7 October attacks.

www.bbc.com

 

[Dans La Lune]

Hamas supporters who openly support Hamas on DP? No way.

I am interested in the facts, regardless of which side they fall on. I know facts are inconvenient for the Israeli Hasbara Brigade.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Ummm Trump is actually wanting more occupation of gaza. Like you guys think that mere few concessions are a change that is utterly ludicrous. Trump wants to complete the genocide.

It's not praise of Trump, it's an indictment of Biden. He put more pressure on Netanyahu than Biden did. Demonstrably. Is the net result positive? No, because the conditions haven't fundamentally changed, and in many cases they've gotten worse. Imagine if Biden had leveraged America's power from the start, what could have been achieved.

If we're at a stage where Biden's foreign policy can be compared unfavorably to a cartoonishly corrupt fascist, we're not in good shape. Qatar is bribing Trump with planes because apparently that's how things get done in America.

 

[markdc]

Interesting discussion ongoing with Jeremey Scahill (Drop Site News) about the origins of Hamas and what its Modus Operandi is. Breakdown from Scahill:

- Hamas is first and foremost a Palestinian liberation group, not an Islamist group. It is not anywhere near as extreme as (nor does it parellel) the ideology of ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
- It has no problem with US outside of the US support for Israeli domination of Palestinians.
- The Abraham Accords were an existential threat to Palestinians. It would cement Israeli dominance and foreclose all hope of Palestinian liberation, with Saudi Arab complicity.
- The mix of the Abraham Accords and increasing Israeli pressure is what led to Oct 7th.
- There were more than half a dozen armed Palestinian resistance groups: Some were Christian, some were Muslim, some where secular.
- Outside of Sinwar, few of Hamas leadership even knew of October 7th.
- Most of Hamas' weaponry comes from their own manufacturing and/or by retrofitting Israel weaponry
- Trump put more pressure on Israel before the election than Biden did in his entire presidency (sorry, it's true).
- Hamas feels Trump's blatant corruption and self-serving nature is less of a wall for peace than Biden's committed ideological Zionism.

Hamas is an evil death cult, and the sooner all of its members perish from this earth, the better it will be for everybody but Netanyahu and his government, who need Hamas to continue doing what they're doing.


Mark