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Did you ever really believe?

Logician Man said:
I think I had been a DP member for about i/2 hour before I posted I was non-religious ( not anti-religious ) before LogicMan chimed in and informed me I would burn in hell for eternity, simply because my beliefs didn't jive with his beliefs.
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Ther are sick folks all over.
 
blarg said:
elvira hear on the other hand is just waiting for every one who wont submit to her god to be killed off forever


after they are given that ultimatum from god in person if i recall correctly

People who choose to serve Jehovah will be in a position to receive everlasting life. But, even under these best of circumstances, some will refuse to serve God. As the Scriptures say: “Though the wicked one should be shown favor, he simply will not learn righteousness. In the land of straightforwardness he will act unjustly.” (Isaiah 26:10) So after being given full opportunity to change their ways and to learn righteousness, such wicked ones will be destroyed. Some will be put to death even before Judgment Day ends. (Isaiah 65:20) They will not be permitted to remain to corrupt or spoil the paradise earth.

Judgment Day and Afterward — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

no my mistake it will be jesus and his posse

It is under such paradise conditions that Jesus Christ and his 144,000 associate kings will judge humankind.
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Anyone who does not want wickedness to go away, stand up and raise your hand...:roll:
 
noonereal said:
Ther are sick folks all over.
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yeah..Never seen him once try to convert or console..Just condemn and rain hellfire down with indignation time and time and time again. No tolerance for that crapola in my neck of the woods.
 
Elvira said:
Anyone who does not want wickedness to go away, stand up and raise your hand...:roll:
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so if i think you do things that are wrong i should want you dead?
 
Let's look at this critically for a minute. No one knows what is beyond space and time. The other side could be filled with snowmen of evil intent or benevolent gods who want to bring souls home for good graces. There may be universes out there just like our own, or some that are nothing like what we see in our own reality.

So, IMO, leaving an open mind is probably the best approach to all of this stuff. Unfortunately, religious people do not do that at all. Their minds are closed to everything except the bull**** they think is real. So, I guess that is the crux of it. Do you believe in the rigid doctrines or do you have an open mind, one which is willing to entertain many possibilities or none.
 
Elvira said:
Anyone who does not want wickedness to go away, stand up and raise your hand...:roll:
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heck if you stop letting people hurt 1 another not sure what wickedness would be possible and an omnipotent god dosent need to kill anyone for that


i mean if you don't want to hear from me you could block me you don't have to hire an assassin

why is god less mighty then the forum mods?

peace be upon them
 
Just don't be so open-minded, you let your brains fall out...;)
 
blarg said:
heck if you stop letting people hurt 1 another not sure what wickedness would be possible and an omnipotent god dosent need to kill anyone for that


i mean if you don't want to hear from me you could block me you don't have to hire an assassin

why is god less mighty then the forum mods?

peace be upon them
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Case in point...
 
blarg said:
oh i did family and friends sold me on their god from a young age it was like santa or the easter bunny but the adults kept saying it was real
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So when you were old enough to actually get the concept did you ever actually belive it?
 
Airyaman said:
I did. It was more or a desire to believe than valid reasons to believe (as in evidence). Plus it helped growing up in the rural bible belt.

I'm glad most people are more tolerant now. I think as more people gain exposure to other cultures, beliefs, etc. from all around the world, even different regions of their own country, they realize that other people just don't believe the way they do and that is OK. As an atheist who was a big time believer at one time, I am tolerant of christians as well as those in all religions (or none). They can go around and believe anything they want up until the point it infringes on the rights of others.
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Thanks.

The question of this thread though is how did you belive? Like, what reasoning, how did it work? Just that I cannot envisage it.
 
Tim the plumber said:
So when you were old enough to actually get the concept did you ever actually belive it?
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till my tween years


then some one pointed out that a story is not true just because its bad for you if its not

and i read some old tment and noticed the god in it was evil that was suspicious


and the lds god gets really mad if you masturbate or even think of sex so i gatherd my will and stopped that for weeks ended up dreaming about it an making a mess for my trobe it was super obvious the whole thing was bull**** at that point

not wanting to aliante people i knew at church kept me trying to stick with it for a while but it soon became just going through the motions
 
No.

I tried to believe a few times in my life, but the stories still sounded like stories. Then there's the fact that religions were/are being used to make money and control people.
 
blarg said:
till my tween years


then some one pointed out that a story is not true just because its bad for you if its not

and i read some old tment and noticed the god in it was evil that was suspicious


and the lds god gets really mad if you masturbate or even think of sex so i gatherd my will and stopped that for weeks ended up dreaming about it an making a mess for my trobe it was super obvious the whole thing was bull**** at that point

not wanting to aliante people i knew at church kept me trying to stick with it for a while but it soon became just going through the motions
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Yeah, I get that. But that is the case of not beleiving as soon as you get to think about it. Once you are old enough to think about it you see it for what it is.

I am hoping to get the view from somebody who actually believed it when they had the capacity not to.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Thanks.

The question of this thread though is how did you belive? Like, what reasoning, how did it work? Just that I cannot envisage it.
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myself i didn't think about it to much it was just the story i was given and i was taught that if i had any doubts i should just pray and ask god for answers till i got them took a while for me to see the problem with that
 
blarg said:



keep waiting for that cake

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:2rofll:

The George Carlin bit started with him calling religion "the single greatest bull**** story ever told." Truer words were never spoken.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Just suppose that happens to you. How will you justify your life?
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Regardless, there's no better way to live...no greater wisdom to live by than what's laid out in the Bible...
 
blarg said:
myself i didn't think about it to much it was just the story i was given and i was taught that if i had any doubts i should just pray and ask god for answers till i got them took a while for me to see the problem with that
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Yeah, it takes earnest effort...one has to act in harmony with their prayers...gold and silver are not just laying on the top of the ground for you to walk by and pick up...

"If you keep seeking for it as for silver,
And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures;" Proverbs 2:4
 
Elvira said:
Regardless, there's no better way to live...no greater wisdom to live by than what's laid out in the Bible...
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um treating other people well because it makes the world generally better for every one seems lie an improvement over doing it because your commanded to and you will be killed if you don't


the religious version lets you make exceptions as long as you say god wants them


why is telling people its evil to get a blood transfusion no matter what or that decorating for halloween is bad the best way to live your life?
 
blarg said:
um treating other people well because it makes the world generally better for every one seems lie an improvement over doing it because your commanded to and you will be killed if you don't


the religious version lets you make exceptions as long as you say god wants them


why is telling people its evil to get a blood transfusion no matter what or that decorating for halloween is bad the best way to live your life?
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And that affects you how?
 
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Elvira said:
Yeah, it takes earnest effort...one has to act in harmony with their prayers...gold and silver are not just laying on the top of the ground for you to walk by and pick up...

"If you keep seeking for it as for silver,
And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures;" Proverbs 2:4
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you still dont understand the problem then assuming god exists and will send you a message and asking for said message indefinitely till you get it will lead you to getting one even if ther is no god sending it


hey god do you exist?


see nothing


but if i believe in advance that god exists and aack that it tell me so over and over ill make myself see an answer its no way to find truth

my efforts are quite eranest


the lds church uses this to convince people it is has the truth and it works better for them the more faith and time people poor into it


do you see the problem yet?

Confirmation Bias - TV Tropes
 
Airyaman said:
I did. It was more or a desire to believe than valid reasons to believe (as in evidence). Plus it helped growing up in the rural bible belt.

I'm glad most people are more tolerant now. I think as more people gain exposure to other cultures, beliefs, etc. from all around the world, even different regions of their own country, they realize that other people just don't believe the way they do and that is OK. As an atheist who was a big time believer at one time, I am tolerant of christians as well as those in all religions (or none). They can go around and believe anything they want up until the point it infringes on the rights of others.
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The problem is that eventually, organized religions will always try to foist their moral creed on everyone else, by attempting to write laws governing our behavior.

I don't find them more tolerant, but less in the last decade or so. Yes, more people are learning about other cultures and other religions, but all of humanity's major beliefs have commonality, and not in a good way.

- My faith is the one true faith.
- My church is the one true church.
- My god is the one true god.

They can't all be right.

It isn't just exposure to other cultures, beliefs, and hypocrisy that have more of us questioning what we were taught as children, it's scientific discovery that continually negates the creationist nonsense we get from religion. Religious belief is like a warm, fuzzy blanket that gives one all of the answers to the world, the universe, and our purpose and place in it all. Science is the cold, bracing wind of questions being answered, only to lead to new questions. One has to come out from under that warm blanket and feel the invigorating wind of knowledge. It isn't easy!
 
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