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The idea of obama making the economy better? Some stats for you:

*12/2008 31.6 million on food stamps, this year 47.6 million or more - an increase of 50%

*1,000,000 children in public schools are homeless, up 55% from 2006.

* Lower taxes thanks to obama; or thanks to $4,000 less income per household over the past 4 years

* For decades food stamps were given to 1 in 50 people, now 1 in 6 or so.

* America's interest in GDP was 31% in 2000 and is now 21%

Looks like a "recovery" only an iphone and xBox could cover. I know the left won't
like this but I think if a Republican were in office this would be called a "depression."
 
Nobody really "buys" Obama's blather...but there are some who support his liberal agenda and Democratic tactics so they will go right along...drink his kool ade...and parrot his talking points.
 
The idea of obama making the economy better? Some stats for you:

*12/2008 31.6 million on food stamps, this year 47.6 million or more - an increase of 50%

*1,000,000 children in public schools are homeless, up 55% from 2006.

* Lower taxes thanks to obama; or thanks to $4,000 less income per household over the past 4 years

* For decades food stamps were given to 1 in 50 people, now 1 in 6 or so.

* America's interest in GDP was 31% in 2000 and is now 21%

Looks like a "recovery" only an iphone and xBox could cover. I know the left won't
like this but I think if a Republican were in office this would be called a "depression."

Of course, all of these statistics are a result of Obama's policies rather than the '08 financial crisis and ensuing recession.
 
Of course, all of these statistics are a result of Obama's policies rather than the '08 financial crisis and ensuing recession.

I had a flat tire this morning....................Bush's fault.
 
I had a flat tire this morning....................Bush's fault.

Now you're getting it. Partisan misattribution of cause to correlation is ridiculous, isn't it?
 
Now you're getting it. Partisan misattribution of cause to correlation is ridiculous, isn't it?

Yes it is. Our current problems have been festering for decades.
 
Of course you can give obama the pass, but he hasn't fixed any of them - only made them worse as a matter of fact. Well unless of course you
can imagine paying less taxes is better thanks to having $4k in less income? Yeah that's good for the 99% huh?


Of course, all of these statistics are a result of Obama's policies rather than the '08 financial crisis and ensuing recession.
 
Was obama voted in to blame Bush for fix the problem? I guess he succeeded at blaming Bush, but how about fixing the problem?
 
Of course, all of these statistics are a result of Obama's policies rather than the '08 financial crisis and ensuing recession.

let's not forget the expense of two unfunded wars while giving massive tax breaks to billionaires
 
Of course, all of these statistics are a result of Obama's policies rather than the '08 financial crisis and ensuing recession.

And of course for the 2009-2012 Presidency, we're going to pretend that that the Executive Branch writes laws and spends money. Despite that clearly not being true because it's easier for partisan hacks to attack something that is a fabrication rather than deal with the realities of it all. Clearly, it's Obama's fault. Ignore that the Executive Branch has very little actual control or influence over the domestic economy.
 
Of course you can give obama the pass, but he hasn't fixed any of them - only made them worse as a matter of fact.

Unfortunately we don't have access to view what happened in a parallel universe in which other economic recovery policies were pursued, so there's no way of knowing for certain whether our economy would be better or worse if we had taken a different path. And anyone who claims to know that is full of ****.

Well unless of course you
can imagine paying less taxes is better thanks to having $4k in less income? Yeah that's good for the 99% huh?

Again. That has much more to do with the fact that we entered a severe recession in '08 and has much less to do with Obama's policies.
 
Of course you can give obama the pass, but he hasn't fixed any of them

Since when did Obama have the Constitutional right and power to write laws and spend money? You want real action on the economy? Look to Congress. A President can influence the economy by the power of the Veto over fiscal policy. So if you think that reducing aggregate demand and reducing economic activity is a GOOD thing for a slow growth or recession economy, then yell at Obama.

can imagine paying less taxes is better thanks to having $4k in less income? Yeah that's good for the 99% huh?

Since when was Obama a Dictator?
 
let's not forget the expense of two unfunded wars while giving massive tax breaks to billionaires

Sorry, i don't believe either of those have affected the economy negatively on a scale comparable to the '08 financial crisis.
 
Sorry, i don't believe either of those have affected the economy negatively on a scale comparable to the '08 financial crisis.

If anything that benefited the economy. The wars were essentially large government spending boosting activity in manufacturing, shipping and increasing the discretionary income of hundreds of thousands of military personnel.

Now, in terms of DEFICIT, there's no question they played a role.
 
The economy as a whole is healthier than inherited without question. The metrics you're referencing are simply results of the aforementioned recession. Taxes, however are lower from any standpoint, not simply a reflection of declining incomes as you insinuate. Due to the extension of Bush era marginal rates and the addition of reduced FICA contributions, effective tax rates are lower than those of Bush the younger. No heavenly clue as to what "interest in gdp" means, and your use of the term depression is also patently incorrect. Our current state doesn't even qualify for a regular ole recession,
 
The idea of obama making the economy better? Some stats for you:

*12/2008 31.6 million on food stamps, this year 47.6 million or more - an increase of 50%
* For decades food stamps were given to 1 in 50 people, now 1 in 6 or so.

Which is the function of a deep recession.

*1,000,000 children in public schools are homeless, up 55% from 2006.

And this is Obama's fault how?

* Lower taxes thanks to obama; or thanks to $4,000 less income per household over the past 4 years

Both actually.

* America's interest in GDP was 31% in 2000 and is now 21%

And this means what?

Looks like a "recovery" only an iphone and xBox could cover. I know the left won't
like this but I think if a Republican were in office this would be called a "depression."

Considering that job growth is hitting 6 digits monthly, the economy is growing, trade is up and discretionary spending is increasing, no, this isn't a depression....unless you're doing some kind of Republican unilateral definition changes to make yourself feel better
 
let's not forget the expense of two unfunded wars while giving massive tax breaks to billionaires

First, I'll start with the wars, Obama said Afghanistan was a "Just War" and he added 30,000 troops to the war and after 4 yrs under Obama we're still there with no end in sight. All unfunded, and the worst part we are losing the war. Obama invaded Libya, all unfunded. In fact Obamacare is unfunded, in fact Obama raised the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs, all unfunded. Further Obama, even if he gets the tax hikes he wants of around 800 billion over 10 yrs he will still be borrowing 1.1 trillion a yr, all unfunded. Do you see the picture a little clearer now?

Now to the rich.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.

Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.

Who Pays the Most Income Tax?

Now do you see a the picture a little clearer now?
 
First, I'll start with the wars, Obama said Afghanistan was a "Just War" and he added 30,000 troops to the war and after 4 yrs under Obama we're still there with no end in sight. All unfunded, and the worst part we are losing the war. Obama invaded Libya, all unfunded. In fact Obamacare is unfunded, in fact Obama raised the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs, all unfunded. Further Obama, even if he gets the tax hikes he wants of around 800 billion over 10 yrs he will still be borrowing 1.1 trillion a yr, all unfunded. Do you see the picture a little clearer now?

I would agree that the president should have ended the war in Afghanistan faster, but he is ending it faster that the other viable candidates proposed both in 2008 and this election, and he did not start the war in Afghanistan, he is the one ending it. He has been drawing down troops for withdrawal of all military troops by 2014. Its noteworthy that you completely ignored the GOP war in Iraq that the president also ended, despite objections from the GOP.

Now to the rich.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share. Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990, taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent of the total.

They make more income so they pay more income taxes. What you neglect to mention is they pay a lower total tax rate than they did in the 1990s, and that FICA taxes provide as much federal revenue as does income taxes for which the wealthy are not taxed on 100% of their income as the working class are taxed.



Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise.

Who Pays the Most Income Tax?

Now do you see a the picture a little clearer now?


"It's true that President Bush lowered tax rates for everyone in 2001, but the rich benefited more than other Americans.
The Bush tax cuts were a primary driver of the growth in income inequality over the past decade, the Congressional Research Service found.


The tax cuts reduced the middle three income tax rates of 28%, 31% and 36% by 3 percentage points, while shaving 4.6 percentage points off the top rate of 39.6%. It also created a new 10% bracket.

This knocked roughly $11,000 off the tax bill of those in the top quintile of taxpayers, on average, according to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. They got to keep an extra 5.4% of their after-tax income.

But the middle quintile only received a 2.6% boost in their after-tax income, or about an $1,100 tax break. The bottom quintile had just a $74 reduction in taxes, about a 0.7% change in after-tax income."
Five tax breaks Washington has given the rich - Bush tax cuts (2) - CNNMoney

In addition the rich got:

Lower rates on capital gains and dividends
Five tax breaks Washington has given the rich - Lower rates on capital gains and dividends (3) - CNNMoney

Big benefits for those who die
Five tax breaks Washington has given the rich - Big benefits for those who die (4) - CNNMoney

Itemized deduction advantage
Itemized deduction advantage

Tax-free interest on municipal bonds
Five tax breaks Washington has given the rich - Tax-free interest on municipal bonds (6) - CNNMoney


You still haven't gotten the message from the presidential election, have you? Its about the economy:

"Today, the Congressional Budget Office gave the GOP one more piece of evidence to ignore. CBO updated its analysis of the scenarios that make up the so-called “fiscal cliff” and found that extending all of the tax cuts would boost the nation’s economy by “a little less” than 1.5 percent of gross domestic product. Extending all of the tax cuts other than the high-income Bush tax cuts, meanwhile, would boost the economy by 1.25 percent, CBO found:

Extending all expiring tax provisions other than the cut in the payroll tax and indexing the AMT for inflation—except for allowing the expiration of lower tax rates on income above $250,000 for couples and $200,000 for single taxpayers—would boost real GDP by about 1¼ percent by the end of 2013. That effect is nearly as large as the effect of making all of those changes in law and extending the lower tax rates on higher incomes as well (which CBO estimates to be a little less than 1½ percent, as noted above), primarily because the budgetary impact would be nearly as large (and secondarily because the extension of lower tax rates on higher incomes would have a relatively small effect on output per dollar of budgetary cost).

Congressional Budget Office: Expiration Of High-Income Bush Tax Cuts Would Have Little Effect On Economy | ThinkProgress
 
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let's not forget the expense of two unfunded wars while giving massive tax breaks to billionaires

Everyone who paid taxes at that time got a tax break. Did you forget that part? BTW, Obama lives in DC, Bush lives in Dallas.
 
And of course for the 2009-2012 Presidency, we're going to pretend that that the Executive Branch writes laws and spends money. Despite that clearly not being true because it's easier for partisan hacks to attack something that is a fabrication rather than deal with the realities of it all. Clearly, it's Obama's fault. Ignore that the Executive Branch has very little actual control or influence over the domestic economy.

Why not, the democrats forgot it when Bush was in office. Speaking of hacks.

"You still haven't gotten the message from the presidential election, have you? Its about the economy:"

Yes it was. Obama will add about 1 trillion to the debt per year over the period of his second administration. But hey, who's counting.
 
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Now you're getting it. Partisan misattribution of cause to correlation is ridiculous, isn't it?



Is there any correlation to Obama's programs and the robust recovery?
 
let's not forget the expense of two unfunded wars while giving massive tax breaks to billionaires



Obama had a filibuster proof majority in his first two years.

The Afghan war is waste of time, money and life. The day we leave, the warlords take over and Al Qaeda returns.

Why are we still there?
 
And of course for the 2009-2012 Presidency, we're going to pretend that that the Executive Branch writes laws and spends money. Despite that clearly not being true because it's easier for partisan hacks to attack something that is a fabrication rather than deal with the realities of it all. Clearly, it's Obama's fault. Ignore that the Executive Branch has very little actual control or influence over the domestic economy.



This Executive Branch does.

Obama is overseeing the execution of his policies by the Congress that does not do its job. He is encouraging them to not do their job and the evidence is that he does not demand a budget to be passed.

Have you ever seen a campaign by the Big 0 to have a budget passed? He likes the free for all spending with no plan to compare and the willing stenographers in the press simply writing down whatever he says as the Truth with a capital T.

He has no clue how to run anything more complex than his mouth.
 
Unfortunately we don't have access to view what happened in a parallel universe in which other economic recovery policies were pursued, so there's no way of knowing for certain whether our economy would be better or worse if we had taken a different path. And anyone who claims to know that is full of ****.



Again. That has much more to do with the fact that we entered a severe recession in '08 and has much less to do with Obama's policies.



Are you STILL saying that Obama has no control over anything that is going on?

If he is that useless, powerless, incompetent, stupid and ignorant, then why do you ever listen to anything he has to say?
 
Since when did Obama have the Constitutional right and power to write laws and spend money? You want real action on the economy? Look to Congress. A President can influence the economy by the power of the Veto over fiscal policy. So if you think that reducing aggregate demand and reducing economic activity is a GOOD thing for a slow growth or recession economy, then yell at Obama.



Since when was Obama a Dictator?


October 31, 2011.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/obama-if-congress-won-t-act-i-will-1.3287261
 
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