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Why don't we completely eliminate everything that's causing climate change RIGHT NOW?
Damn it. Aren't these kind of baiting threads against the forum rules? If not, they should be.
No one cares about people's pissing contests outside of the thread in which they originated. Believe it or not, some people actually take the subject of the thread at face value, instead of assuming it's a way for someone to call out someone else and show the whole forum who has the bigger ****.
And it still doesn't change the fact that the founding fathers didn't end slavery.
really, mellie.....how old ARE you? what is the point of this post?
Nor does it change the fact that 21st century environmentalists won't "save the planet". By the way, I voted "no" on the other thread. Obviously.
If I cared, I probably would have posted in the Founding Fathers thread. But instead I posted in a thread about the environment. If you didn't want to discuss that subject, then why would you make a thread about it when there is already one about the subject you DO want to talk about?
The planet is not in need of saving though, we are in dire need of a new energy source though, fossil fuels won't last much longer.
To make a point about a subject using a different subject.
You could have done that in the thread in which the subject arose, instead of creating an "Everyone look at me" thread.
I'm done with this ****ty thread. Later.
To end AGW, you would have to resequester all the fossil fuel released carbons. Obviously, we haven't done that. In fact, we've started burning even more fossil fuels. So, we continue to go in the wrong direction, increasing the speed at which the runaway greenhouse effect takes place.
200 years from now when Americans look back on the 20th and 21st century, will they say that the environmentalists today ended climate change?
The planet is not in need of saving though, we are in dire need of a new energy source though, fossil fuels won't last much longer.
If we stop all manmade greenhouse gases going into the air, it will only reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that go into the air by 3%. 97% is out of our control.
Nuclear power is sufficient for electricity generation.
We have hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of methane to tap into, not to mention coal up the wazoo. "Running out" hardly describes our present situation.
That 97% is part of the carbon cycle. The 3% we put out there was not in the cycle, and represents a net increase in carbon currently moving around the biosphere. Thats why burning fossil fuels is problematic.
I would say it's problematic, but it's not causing climate change. It's more of a problem for our lungs than anything. We need to develop the tech to provide clean energy, and we need to start now. It's that simple, we are going to run out of fossil fuels soon, and we need to get the jump before we are in a crisis. Also getting a jump on other countries, and profiting off the tech would be a bonus, along with the environmental improvement.
I agree with your entire statement except the underlined portion. Looking at the concept, there is really no way to deny it is causing climate change, the only question is how much. Because carbon is a moderately effective greenhouse gas, and the atmosphere is pretty large. However, over time, AGW will become more and more apparent, and at that point, we will have to spend a lot more money, and effort to fix the problem.
We might be undergoing the beginning stages of a climate shift, but we don't have enough evidence to know that we are causing it.
200 years from now when Americans look back on the 20th and 21st century, will they say that the environmentalists today ended climate change? Let's assume the supposed problem with "climate change" will still be in play in 200 years......people then might say............
Why didn't those environmentalists do everything they possibly could to end it? Why didn't they ban ALL electricity, ALL gasoline, ALL methane gas if they KNEW that those things are causing climate change? They obviously weren't REALLY concerned about the Earth or they would've completely eliminated any and all poisons on our Earth.
The 20th and 21st century environmentalists were just a bunch of Earth-haters who were raping the planet for their own pleasures. Anyone who says they were lovers of our planet are delusional and clearly revising history.
They'll say what a bunch of arrogant suckers, who thought they had the power to change the environment, when they couldn't even make it rain.
Not 100 % true. We have strong evidence that we are contributing to it. Not conclusive evidence to my mind, but strong enough to want to act on it.
By the way, your 97 %/ 3 % comment is one of this misleading statements that sound really good until you look at them. Without the 3 %, you have a stable system. When you mess up the stability of a stable system, it will have very definite effects.
If we stop all manmade greenhouse gases going into the air, it will only reduce the amount of greenhouse gases that go into the air by 3%. 97% is out of our control.
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