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Did Germany exist before the year 1871?

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i have read so often that there had never been a Germany before 1871 that i made a poll about it now
 
to deny the existence of a germany is just as if one denied the existence of France and England and Russia ….. before 1871 or so ….
 
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germany has existed under various names

and today still it has various names

Dütschland in Switzerland
Ditschlond in my own language
 
question …

did germany exist between 1945 and 1949?
 
One wonders, does Germany actually exist? Where is the proof that it exists? Sure there are people who claim to be in Germany but how do we know that they are real? And yes many airlines claim to fly to Germany but when you disembark how does one KNOW they have arrived in Germany?

Signs? Can be faked.

Language? Those can be made up, like Klingon.

Maps? Probably doctored.

I put it to the OP to prove, convincingly, that the existence of Germany even today is more than a conspiracy theory!
 
Germania existed in caesars time already
though germania and germany is not exactly the same ….
 
What came into existence in 1871 was not really a Germany as it was before.

it was a Greater Prussia.

or a Small Germany ….. without Austria.


a Klein-Deutschland
 
of course germany has existed long before
 
HK.227 said:
Of course it did, just like Gaul used to exist.
It just wasn't a nation state.
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one could argue that in 1871 it was not a nation state either.
it did not include the german part of Austria. …. but a lot of Poland.

how does one define a nation state.
 
germany as an idea has existed long before 1871
 
Rumpel said:
to deny the existence of a germany is just as if one denied the existence of France and England and Russia ….. before 1871 or so ….
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Sorry but technically Germany did not exist before 1871. The region known as Germany today, was historically a mess of various kingdoms and other types of countries, that were very loosely unified under the Holy Roman Emperor. They often fought each other and conquered each other.

As for England, France and Russia. They all existed in 1871 and had existed since 927 for England, 987 for France and 1547 for Russia. As with "Germany", there were precursers for all 3.. Murcia in England, the Francian kingdoms in France and Moscovy/Kivean Rus in Russia.
 
PeteEU said:
Sorry but technically Germany did not exist before 1871. The region known as Germany today, was historically a mess of various kingdoms and other types of countries, that were very loosely unified under the Holy Roman Emperor. They often fought each other and conquered each other.

As for England, France and Russia. They all existed in 1871 and had existed since 927 for England, 987 for France and 1547 for Russia. As with "Germany", there were precursers for all 3.. Murcia in England, the Francian kingdoms in France and Moscovy/Kivean Rus in Russia.
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depends what you mean by germany.

what eas founded in 1871 was no germany, but a greater Prussia.
 
Rumpel said:
depends what you mean by germany.

what eas founded in 1871 was no germany, but a greater Prussia.
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Actually no. 1871 it went from Northern German Confederation aka Greater Prussia to the German Empire.

Technically the unification happened in 1866 after the Northern German Confederation was formed after the Prussians kicked the Austrians ass and sized the last Austrian land up north and broke their influence on the various states there.

One could also argue that Germany existed during the Roman times as the word German comes from the Roman name for the area.. Germania.
 
PeteEU said:
Actually no. 1871 it went from Northern German Confederation aka Greater Prussia to the German Empire.

Technically the unification happened in 1866 after the Northern German Confederation was formed after the Prussians kicked the Austrians ass and sized the last Austrian land up north and broke their influence on the various states there.

One could also argue that Germany existed during the Roman times as the word German comes from the Roman name for the area.. Germania.
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all can be disputed ….
 
maybe germany does not exist as a state. …. only as an idea
 
PeteEU said:
Sorry but technically Germany did not exist before 1871. The region known as Germany today, was historically a mess of various kingdoms and other types of countries, that were very loosely unified under the Holy Roman Emperor. They often fought each other and conquered each other.

As for England, France and Russia. They all existed in 1871 and had existed since 927 for England, 987 for France and 1547 for Russia. As with "Germany", there were precursers for all 3.. Murcia in England, the Francian kingdoms in France and Moscovy/Kivean Rus in Russia.
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987 for France..?


never!
 
PeteEU said:
Sorry but technically Germany did not exist before 1871. The region known as Germany today, was historically a mess of various kingdoms and other types of countries, that were very loosely unified under the Holy Roman Emperor. They often fought each other and conquered each other.

As for England, France and Russia. They all existed in 1871 and had existed since 927 for England, 987 for France and 1547 for Russia. As with "Germany", there were precursers for all 3.. Murcia in England, the Francian kingdoms in France and Moscovy/Kivean Rus in Russia.
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think about france once again …
 
when the frankis land was divided. the west became france later, anf the east became Germany later. …. in short ….
 
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