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Did crime plummet after a wall was built in El Paso?

SonOfDaedalus

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Surely, our president wouldn't lie to us, right?


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/01/trump-wrong-about-wall-effect-in-el-paso/
 
Do you really think it is both fair and appropriate to bring up actual facts when Trump makes emotional claims to placate his bigoted Trumpkins?

You would have been more convincing had you refrained from the use of insults.

Walking the walk is important.
 
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I am fairly certain that Trump believes what he says re illegals and crime and that if we had a wall we would be able to do a much better job of controlling the drugs coming over the border. The problem is that some of what he believes is clearly wrong and he does not know it, and also that he is unable to formulate a better case. I do believe that a better case can be made, unfortunately almost all of power in America does not want a wall, so better minds dont attempt to make the argument regardless of where the truth is.
 
I am fairly certain that Trump believes what he says re illegals and crime and that if we had a wall we would be able to do a much better job of controlling the drugs coming over the border.

I sincerely doubt it.

I doubt he has ever taken the time to think about it at all. It's simple political to him. IMHO
 
I sincerely doubt it.

I doubt he has ever taken the time to think about it at all. It's simple political to him. IMHO

Trumps warped thinking on the subjects of crime and justice have long been obvious. I have no doubt that he believes that if we dont get busy building a wall now and get control of the border we will in not very many years be facing ruin, because global order is breaking down.
 
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/mex...-mexicos-new-president-prepares-face-violence

We are currently using the "Hope and pray" plan to deal with the risk of migration of violence.

We need to do better.
 

So I know you don't actually support Trump and I know you're only defending him for jollies, but isn't there a better way to maintain your flimsy cover than saying

"Trumps too stupid to make a better argument, and he's being let down because no one will make a better argument for him".

That is very bad work.
 

I am not sure, but I think a lot of Americans probably believe as I do that building fences or walls around urban areas is not a bad idea. If they are already there, then pay to keep them up. I do not think building a wall from sea to shining sea is a good idea and there are better places to use the 25 billion dollars it will cost to build it. If Trump was smart he would go to the GOP people on the Committee looking at a solution and suggest just that. He can always tell his people that once that is done, he can go after the rest of his wall at a later time. The base will believe, but of course you have to get Coulter and Limbaugh to back off.
 


Trump has already reduced his ask from 25 billion to 5 billion. He is no longer asking for a sea to shining sea wall, but just enough to satisfy the most urgent need as identified to him by the border patrol. That is a reasonable compromise.
 

Out of sight - out of mind is not exactly a great border security plan.
 
Yes we need to do better. However I think there are things that can be done that are more effective and possibly cheaper than a wall.

We need to have the will first, first we figure out that we are not a country if we dont secure the borders, then we figure out how to do it. We also need to figure out how to deal with visa overstays, which we have never really attempted.
 
The problem is that some of what he believes is clearly wrong and he does not know it, and also that he is unable to formulate a better case.

Is it really impossible for you to imagine that Trump simply lied. These speeches are rigorously fact checked. Trump was certainly told the truth. He simply doesn't think you're smart enough to figure out he's lying.

He's using deliberately planned misinformation as a political tool. There is a word for this tactic. Can you guess what that word is?

 

If you want someones attention telling them "YOU SUCK!" is a bad idea.




This has been another Life Lesson from Hawkeye
 

Great video.


A battling US and Russia benefits China. And the poster that you are replying too is far left, do the math.
 
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