Developments in the Ukraine War

[Juin]

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Olaf Shclz' brilliant foreign policy

 

[Sword 1944]

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African leader after African leader have mentioned the difference in level of respect from the west, as opposed to from China and Russia. And it seems Africans never forgot it was the Russians- actually the Soviet Union- that were the propellant behind the struggles for independence. That appeared to have come as something of a surprise to Putin; cause in a speech to Russians he spoke of a valuable investment by their earlier generations to the African struggle; he appeared to be impressed that the goodwill from the 60's and 70's has endured to Africans who were not even alive then

Indeed it was the West that supported the Nazi Apartheid Regime in South Africa, i wonder how many people in the West know it was the Cubans who put their money where their mouth was when they deployed their military to Angola to confront those Nazis on the Battlefield? i believe that was the turning point for the Apartheid Regime, Africans didn't forget who was on their side in those dark times

 

[Luce]

Indeed it was the West that supported the Nazi Apartheid Regime in South Africa, i wonder how many people in the West know it was the Cubans who put their money where their mouth was when they deployed their military to Angola to confront those Nazis on the Battlefield? i believe that was the turning point for the Apartheid Regime, Africans didn't forget who was on their side in those dark times

The West supported it?

BY making their currency illegal to trade in?

 

[justoneman]

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Olaf Shclz' brilliant foreign policy

I am not very happy with Tucker giving Putin a megaphone to preach about Russian history. There really is nothing good about all the death and destruction in Ukraine. I really do not want to hear his justifications. Ukraine is a shitty corrupt country that was severely oppressing the ethnic Russians there. They bombed the ethnic Russians on a weakly basis however the war is a thousand times worse. I am upset about the fighting and killing. I am upset about the waste of US money and assets. I am ashamed of the US bombing the Nordstream pipeline. All of it.

 

[Luce]

I am not very happy with Tucker giving Putin a megaphone

Uh huh.

 

[Juin]

Indeed it was the West that supported the Nazi Apartheid Regime in South Africa, i wonder how many people in the West know it was the Cubans who put their money where their mouth was when they deployed their military to Angola to confront those Nazis on the Battlefield? i believe that was the turning point for the Apartheid Regime, Africans didn't forget who was on their side in those dark times

That was Operation Carlota back in 1975. They deployed to back the MPLA that was facing the Apartheid South Africa/CIA backed Unita and some other outfit.

Angola created a bizarre Cold War situation with a confusing cacaphony of allies and adversaries

Angola was under the Marxist MPLA, and pro Soviet. So the Soviets and Cubans backed MPLA big time with troops and weapons. But Angola was also an oil exporter. Problem is the Soviet Union was also an oil exporter, leaving the west as market for Angolan oil. And after the 1973 oil crisis the west wanted oil badly; so the Angolan government did deals with Angola and set up business there. So you had a bizarre situation where western oil companies did business with Marxist Angola; naturally their infrastructure were protected by Soviets and Cubans from attacks by the Unita movement funded and armed by the CIA and the west

 

[Roadvirus]

When this is over i believe Russia will be done with the West they just can't be trusted.

Other way around.

The West will never trust Russia again for a very very looooooooong time.

 

[Roadvirus]

Exactly. And for folks there it is more than just dangerous. Folks are dying, by the tens of thousands a month. Thousands of buildings are bombed monthly. Thousands of acres of land mined. Dams destroyed. Nuclear power plants hoping not to get hit... Why cant steps be taken to halt this unfolding tragedy?

Russia can halt this easily by leaving Ukrainian territory. But Putzin refuses. Not until the Russian Hammer and Sickle once again flies in every oblast in Ukraine.

 

[Roadvirus]

Africans love Russians because they treat them with respect, that's why they are throwing all the rancid Colonial filth out who have poisoned the Continent for centuries.

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Millions of Ukrainians don't hate Russians.

Denial. Such a sad and ugly thing.

 

[Roadvirus]

By enslaving them and forcing them to work in mines?

I think you are mistaking the Russians with the Chinese.

 

[ralfy]

"Defense"

 

[ralfy]

 

[justoneman]

If the goal is to have the Ukrainian troops to revolt, then this was a good move.

 

[Juin]

Russia can halt this easily by leaving Ukrainian territory. But Putzin refuses. Not until the Russian Hammer and Sickle once again flies in every oblast in Ukraine.

There will come a point where both sides [Ukraine and Russia] decide the minimal gains do not justify the colossal expenses. And I believe that point is nearer than distant. Ukraine pays with blood, whereas the Germans pay with Marks. It wont surprise me if many a Ukrainian is not asking himself; why dont the Germans, or the Brits also share the cost in blood for a war they state must be won.

 

[german hick]

Do ethnic Russian minorities have right to self determination? The west upholds the principle of right to self determination only when the minorities are not Russians or Serbs. Like in case of minority Kosovars against majority Serbs; or Ukrainians against majority Russians; minority Lithuanians against majority Russians; minority Georgians against majority Russians.

But when the shoe is on the other foot, and the minorities of yesterday are today's majority, the west then adopts the principle of territorial integrity. And you are wrong, Ukraine was always a country with an ethnic divide. There is in Ukraine a Russian minority to the east and south that is pro Russia [not necessarily pro Putin, you push that bit to paint a horrid picture of Russia].

The west pretends there are no Russian minorities in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania. The west did not rally to self determination for minority Abkhazians and Ossetians in Georgia. Same for minority Russians in Ukraine

Hatred for Russia and Russians is real.

There are russian minorities in any estern country - nobody doubts this. That are the remains of the Russian/Soviet Empire. Shall any of these countries give some land to the Empire for restauration? "habs angeleckt, is meins" is a german saying for kids to secure sweets. means "I licked it, it´s mine"

 

[Fledermaus]

Indeed it was the West that supported the Nazi Apartheid Regime in South Africa, i wonder how many people in the West know it was the Cubans who put their money where their mouth was when they deployed their military to Angola to confront those Nazis on the Battlefield? i believe that was the turning point for the Apartheid Regime, Africans didn't forget who was on their side in those dark times

Why do you stupidly use words you don't understand?

 

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[justoneman]

It was a very weak job of interviewing by Tucker. Putin rolled over him, turning the interview into speech.

 

[Jredbaron96]

It's bizarre you are trying to claim this when Putin just gave a 2 hour interview where he repeatedly framed Russian actions explicitly within the context of panslavic ideology and irridentist claims to historical territory even after Tucker Carlson repeatedly tried to spoonfeed him the opportunity to say "we invaded due to NATO expansionism"

 

[justoneman]

So the Russians are now several blocks on the west side of the railroad tracks. The Russians are now only a few blocks away from capturing the only route out of Avdivka. Shortly the only way out will be fields of mud. Will the Russians intentionally allow the Ukrainians this avenue of retreat? Or will they close it off and fight a highly motivated Ukrainian army?

 

[Fledermaus]

So the Russians are now several blocks on the west side of the railroad tracks. The Russians are now only a few blocks away from capturing the only route out of Avdivka. Shortly the only way out will be fields of mud. Will the Russians intentionally allow the Ukrainians this avenue of retreat? Or will they close it off and fight a highly motivated Ukrainian army?

And the cheering continues.

 

[justoneman]

And the cheering continues.

Its what is going on. What do you want? Fake news?

 

[Hamish Howl]

So the Russians are now several blocks on the west side of the railroad tracks. The Russians are now only a few blocks away from capturing the only route out of Avdivka. Shortly the only way out will be fields of mud. Will the Russians intentionally allow the Ukrainians this avenue of retreat? Or will they close it off and fight a highly motivated Ukrainian army?

There's one other road further South, but it's not paved so if it isn't used soon, it can't be used at all.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Its what is going on. What do you want? Fake news?

If I wanted that, I'd just ask you for a source.