DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

[Craig234]

I know you disliked H.W. O.K., I get that. But what was wrong with Ike? In terms of policy?

It's too long for now, but I listed some examples above, in post 115 - what he had the CIA do was horrific. He was responsible for the Vietnam war as well. Perhaps we can discuss more later if you like.

And while we're here, and no animus implied in this question, who did you like as President?

Favorites are JFK, FDR, Lincoln, LBJ, lots of good in Carter and Biden. If I can include candidates, RFK and Bernie and Warren.

 

[Chomsky]

It's too long for now, but I listed some examples above, in post 115 - what he had the CIA do was horrific. He was responsible for the Vietnam war as well. Perhaps we can discuss more later if you like.



Favorites are JFK, FDR, Lincoln, LBJ, lots of good in Carter and Biden. If I can include candidates, RFK and Bernie and Warren.

Thanks.

No Obama, though? Too Neo-Con?

 

[Craig234]

No Obama, though? Too Neo-Con?

I have things I like about Obama, but I think he was too corporatist, and he was about 1/3 what he appeared and 2/3 more cynical and performing. Wall Street preferred him to McCain/Palin, he did nothing to hold the Bush administration accountable, and more.

On the other hand, his ACA, as compromised as it was - a Heritage -> Romney -> corporate plan, did a lot of good and it the main good thing government did this century before Biden.

I liked that the right-wing Israeli government wasn't crazy about him, that he did well getting the treaty with Iran. On the other hand, had did poorly in place like Libya and I think it was Ecuador, corporate coup ousting a progressive. He made a gutsy choice on bin Laden, his presidency was at risk over it.

I don't rank him too badly, he handled the financial crisis he inherited pretty well, but we were talking about favorites. For another example, he went wild with deportations and prosecuting whistleblowers. He wasn't as strong against Republicans as I'd like, and rather hostile to progressives - rumor has it he was behind the coup against Bernie's campaign.

 

[Gatsby]

DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

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I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

It's a good idea. Many federal agencies don't need to be in DC. It would be good to move some of them to other parts of the country, especially to cities that have fallen on hard times and need to be revitalized. The Rust Belt could benefit from this.

 

[PeteEU]

DeSantis wants to move feds outside D.C.

"Too much power has accumulated in D.C., and the result is a detached administrative state that rules over us and imposes its will on us,” DeSantis said.

www.axios.com

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I think this is an interesting idea.

Obviously, close physical proximity promotes synergy. But is that as important with todays technology, as it was before?

I must say, I might be open to the concept of geographically decentralized federal government. No idea if it would work, or work efficiently. But, it's an interesting idea.

It is stupid and we have been combating it in Denmark for over half a century.

In Denmark we have had this discussion for over 40 years and some services have been decentralized and it most cases it has been a determent to public service. Now why did it happen? Power. It is a power play pure and simple. Moving power from centralized government to the outer regions of the country. You will have staffing problems, and huge efficiency issues. Denmark had both, and we are a small country.. imagine the DoD being moved to Boise, Idaho? or the FBI being moved to Alaska?

 

[eohrnberger]

No problem with this at all.

And with DC no longer being the seat of the federal government, there is zero reason that residents there should not have full representation -

DC statehood ASAP.

More likely the land on which DC rests returned to the states from which they came from.

 

[BirdinHand]

More likely the land on which DC rests returned to the states from which they came from.

Virginia was given back their portion in 1847.

So fine, give the rest back to Maryland and increase the representation for Maryland in Congress and in EC votes appropriately.

 

[Razoo]

Fake republicans now push BIG PROFIT ALEC privatized fascist schools yet private schools of choice have been in America for at least 100 years so what's up with pushing for profit tax dollar supported charter schools?

DeSantis claims he wants to move centralized government to other cities yet government has had a variety of satellite offices throughout the USA for at least 75 years.

Do fake republicans simply not pay attention? or are they overwhelmed with Fascism?

 

[JMR]

I don't understand why there is such trouble finding talent...since when is everyone smart or employable living around DC? Just not enough people in flyover country, or they're all employed already?

I think most people with government jobs moved to DC to get a government job....the people I know that work in DC moved there specifically for work.

 

[RealityNow]

Thanks.

No Obama, though? Too Neo-Con?

I think people should have listened to Obama... instead of people being obstinate because they could not comprehend and interpert what he said and what his presidentical agenda was.

We continually see.. things he proposed, which Trump destoryed were well needed, because Obama did not just think about Today, but of the Today's of the future.. and people just did not have the mentality of vision to comprehend it.

Obama appointed Warren to the Consumer Protection Agency and her plans are as good today as the day she was appointed and as good for the future as they were when she first addressed them.

Many people can't deal with people who have "long range vision" because they get too hung up in the issues of the day. LBJ's Great Society was an excellent advancement from the work that FDR did.... but people simply 'held too much bias, too much bigotry and too much racial segregationist ideology until they could not see or comprehend the long term vision that LBJ proposed and the work he did toward pursuing those proposals.

Not only does america suffer from diminished capacity among a great many in society to engage critical thinking, America has a mass of people who have no concept or mentality capability to think in "long term perspectives".

 

[Chomsky]

I think people should have listened to Obama... instead of people being obstinate because they could not comprehend and interpert what he said and what his presidentical agenda was.

We continually see.. things he proposed, which Trump destoryed were well needed, because Obama did not just think about Today, but of the Today's of the future.. and people just did not have the mentality of vision to comprehend it.

I was perfectly fine with Obama, and in fact liked him a lot.

Unfortunately it took him most of his first term to realize he had to fight the GOP, rather than try to compromise & work with them. But that's alright, as we knew he was a "uniter" and that he ran on that. Many of us wanted that to happen (unity), but it was not to be with the then GOP.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Well, it didn't tale long for me to find-out the Offices that Trump moved to smaller rural cities ended-up lacking adequate availability of qualified employees.

It's an interesting idea with (IMO) high appeal. Who doesn't want governance to better reflect their fellow Americans? But I think a little more research may have been warranted before I posted this one.

What does "better reflect their fellow Americans" mean in practical application?

 

[RealityNow]

I was perfectly fine with Obama, and in fact liked him a lot.

Unfortunately it took him most of his first term to realize he had to fight the GOP, rather than try to compromise & work with them. But that's alright, as we knew he was a "uniter" and that he ran on that. Many of us wanted that to happen (unity), but it was not to be with the then GOP.

There was no comprimise with the GOP.. they PLEDGED to stand against anything and everything that he proposed!!!!

The GOP's no-compromise pledge​

Obama knew that with ACA it would have to be layered and interwoven, where it had interdepent working parts, and if any of them are damaged or broken it would trigger another protective layer to become activated as an assurance to continue functioning.

People and their self consumed vain expectation that he should wave a magic wand, are the people who fall to the side letting Republican take over congressional leadership....

Too many American people have no vision and many have no patience to stick with any type of developmental plans that prosper all American people and the American society.

We see it today, they can't engage the patience and critical thinking to give Biden's agenda the support to develop and implement... they expect a instant magic fix to all the stuff Trump screwed up and the things that America still needs to do.

Many foreigner look at American General Population and they see the stupidity that stagnates the simplest of things, and they just shake their head at how oblivius and ignorant some Americans are.

Most of the people coming across the Southern Border have more respect and more positive outlook for and about America than the average Republican Right Winger. Fact in most of the people coming across the border will work, and they have more respect for jobs than many American people have
It's why many contractors do all they can to hire these people because they know the people will work, and the people do have skills and the peopledo appreciate and respect having a job, even though the work may be strenous, they are eager to do that work to provide for their family, and they have far more pride in respecting American Democracy than many of these Right Wingers within Republicanism.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I think people should have listened to Obama... instead of people being obstinate because they could not comprehend and interpert what he said and what his presidentical agenda was.

We continually see.. things he proposed, which Trump destoryed were well needed, because Obama did not just think about Today, but of the Today's of the future.. and people just did not have the mentality of vision to comprehend it.

Obama appointed Warren to the Consumer Protection Agency and her plans are as good today as the day she was appointed and as good for the future as they were when she first addressed them.

Many people can't deal with people who have "long range vision" because they get too hung up in the issues of the day. LBJ's Great Society was an excellent advancement from the work that FDR did.... but people simply 'held too much bias, too much bigotry and too much racial segregationist ideology until they could not see or comprehend the long term vision that LBJ proposed and the work he did toward pursuing those proposals.

Not only does america suffer from diminished capacity among a great many in society to engage critical thinking, America has a mass of people who have no concept or mentality capability to think in "long term perspectives".

LOL. Really? If your supposed leader cannot convey his message he's not much use. Obama really wasn't a very good President and besides ACA he didn't accomplish much except to run around apologizing for America and letting our allies off easy when it cam to sharing the costs of things like NATO and the UN.

 

[Far right dem]

So statehood for dc

 

[Integrityrespec]

There was no comprimise with the GOP.. they PLEDGED to stand against anything and everything that he proposed!!!!

The GOP's no-compromise pledge​

Obama knew that with ACA it would have to be layered and interwoven, where it had interdepent working parts, and if any of them are damaged or broken it would trigger another protective layer to become activated as an assurance to continue functioning.

People and their self consumed vain expectation that he should wave a magic wand, are the people who fall to the side letting Republican take over congressional leadership....

Too many American people have no vision and many have no patience to stick with any type of developmental plans that prosper all American people and the American society.

We see it today, they can't engage the patience and critical thinking to give Biden's agenda the support to develop and implement... they expect a instant magic fix to all the stuff Trump screwed up and the things that America still needs to do.

Many foreigner look at American General Population and they see the stupidity that stagnates the simplest of things, and they just shake their head at how oblivius and ignorant some Americans are.

Most of the people coming across the Southern Border have more respect and more positive outlook for and about America than the average Republican Right Winger. Fact in most of the people coming across the border will work, and they have more respect for jobs than many American people have
It's why many contractors do all they can to hire these people because they know the people will work, and the people do have skills and the peopledo appreciate and respect having a job, even though the work may be strenous, they are eager to do that work to provide for their family, and they have far more pride in respecting American Democracy than many of these Right Wingers within Republicanism.

As for standing against an opposing party's elected President that's pretty normal as they often are worlds apart on their political and social agenda.

 

[Chomsky]

What does "better reflect their fellow Americans" mean in practical application?

More accurately reflecting and understanding the local demographics.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Thats not what I said or even intimated at but that you would draw such a stupid and dishonest conclusion is hardly a surprise.

Of course it is. It's a pattern with you. If you want to make up stupid fantasies, then you get treated like someone who makes up and believes stupid fantasies.

Play dumb, get treated like you're dumb.

You could learn a life lesson from this.

 

[Fletch]

Of course it is. It's a pattern with you. If you want to make up stupid fantasies, then you get treated like someone who makes up and believes stupid fantasies.

Play dumb, get treated like you're dumb.

You could learn a life lesson from this.

Trolling from thread to thread. Practically galactic trolling.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Trolling from thread to thread. Practically galactic trolling.

Sorry, your whiny habit of calling everything trolling --usually as you troll away -- will not help yu.

Tell us how all the government employees are leftists. So we can laugh at you.

 

[Integrityrespec]

It's too long for now, but I listed some examples above, in post 115 - what he had the CIA do was horrific. He was responsible for the Vietnam war as well. Perhaps we can discuss more later if you like.



Favorites are JFK, FDR, Lincoln, LBJ, lots of good in Carter and Biden. If I can include candidates, RFK and Bernie and Warren.

Well, I can't agree with some of your choices and as for personal character JFK had plenty of issues. A corrupt family, a womanizer to the extreme who had no less thatn a dozen affairs during his time just in the white house.. His Cuba fiasco could have ended much worse. His standoff with USSR was a moment of guts and resolve seldom seen by Presidents since. FDR an excellent war time president but he sure opened a lot of liberal cans of worms, most paid off. Lincoln needs no explanation, excellent, Carter decent man terrible president, RFK plaquesd by being a Kennedy, Bernie and Warren complete jokes. LBJ, racist to the core and obsessed with power.

 

[RealityNow]

LOL. Really? If your supposed leader cannot convey his message he's not much use. Obama really wasn't a very good President and besides ACA he didn't accomplish much except to run around apologizing for America and letting our allies off easy when it cam to sharing the costs of things like NATO and the UN.

he conveyed his message very well, it was the undereducated and uneducated that did not want to improve their comprehensive capabilities, who tried to lable him as elitist, because they did not want to improve their own educational abilities and comprehension skill.... and they could not bear to face the reality of a black man being able to communicate in critical thinking intellegent manner with broad base understanding of matters some failed to grasp the importance of, simply because some... could not and still cannot comprehend the fact that they are no better human beings than people who do not look like them,.
It's no different than the segment of right wingers who call anyone who use critical thinking as being elitist.

Some of these right wing types who don't want to upgrade and elevate their vocabulary with understanding of words.... likely would have a hard time in cities where people invest in learning to comprehend and understand the dimensional context that words can and are used. It's why they resort to silliness of calling people "commies' and "socialist' and snowflakes and etc... They can only comprehend using words to promote belligerence and imbecilic attacks. Such types have been stumbling block to America's onward and foward progress for centuries and decades...

 

[RealityNow]

As for standing against an opposing party's elected President that's pretty normal as they often are worlds apart on their political and social agenda.

Republican taking a group pledge not to do their Constitutional Duty is Unacceptable... it was and is a great dis-service and disrespect to America and American people.

 

[RealityNow]

Well, I can't agree with some of your choices and as for personal character JFK had plenty of issues. A corrupt family, a womanizer to the extreme who had no less thatn a dozen affairs during his time just in the white house.. His Cuba fiasco could have ended much worse. His standoff with USSR was a moment of guts and resolve seldom seen by Presidents since. FDR an excellent war time president but he sure opened a lot of liberal cans of worms, most paid off. Lincoln needs no explanation, excellent, Carter decent man terrible president, RFK plaquesd by being a Kennedy, Bernie and Warren complete jokes. LBJ, racist to the core and obsessed with power.

Geez... as usual.... you can't comprehend what these men did for the country.... right wing type certainly can't digest the fact that LBJ broke the back of racist Jim Crow Savagery, so they try to call LBJ racist, when he did more for diversity than any Republican President in modern day America. JFK's humanitarian regard for the integrity of humanity.... is far beyond the capability of right wingers to understand, because they think Bully Stomp, and Barbaric Heathen Talk is stength, because they have no learn the true strength is in the integrity and dignity to respect All Humanity.
FDR... created a pathway forward for America after the Barbarians Raided and Crashed The Economy and sent the nation in a mass Depression.... So, that too, we don't expect right wingers to comprehend, because they still worship and praise barbarians and land pirate types. It's why Right Wingers are devoted to Trumpism and the Right Wing Republican Savagery. They still worship white nationalism of wealthy white male domiance and they delight in being serf like subjects to such white nationalist ideology.

 

[Rawley]

what did the T stand for in your post 4 then, toothpaste?

LOL You're arguing the MAGA does not equate to Trump? Really?