Derek Chauvin is a human being (1 Viewer)

[Manc Skipper]

His crime is especially egregious because he committed it in our name and full view of a dozen people because he assumed he would get away with his behavior.

I have zero sympathy for him.

That was my takeaway from the scene. He didn't believe until that moment, in spite of what he did, that he would be convicted.

 

[bearpoker]

I watched some of a video last night and when I saw what looked to be his reaction to the verdicts it looked like his mind couldn't believe what was happening.

He was shocked that he wasn't above the law. He didn't think he could be held accountable. He was wrong.

 

[Antiwar]

So what?

Trauma, especially in childhood, affects people.

 

[nota bene]

I watched some of a video last night and when I saw what looked to be his reaction to the verdicts it looked like his mind couldn't believe what was happening. This reminded me that he is human. It's not that I needed a reminder on the categorical level, not that I had dehumanized him because of what he did, it's that I don't want to any being's suffering increased. I didn't want George Floyd's suffering increased, and I don't want Derek Chauvin's suffering increased.

The hope is that Chauvin has now been presented with a spiritual opportunity. Unfortunately for him, any growth will occur through the eventual realization and acceptance of his own responsibility. The public shame and private prison isolation from the outside world are facts, but we can and should hope that for the sake of his soul, he will experience growth through suffering.

And we should hope too that everybody can work just a little bit harder on loving their enemies.

 

[Antiwar]

Too bad, jail increases suffering and that's the way it should be.

What principle is behind that conclusion?

 

[Gaius46]

Trauma, especially in childhood, affects people.

Many people are traumatized and don’t kill others. Chauvin wasn’t insane, he knew what he was doing. He made a conscious choice to kill someone - or at least subject him to treatment that carried a significant risk of killing him - who was no threat to him.

 

[Mr Person]

A miserable excuse for a human being but he is indeed technically one of them.

 

[Evilroddy]

Mr. Chauvin knowingly and wilfully killed Mr. Floyd by putting the deceased into respiratory distress for many minutes, inducing hypoxia which resulted in vital organ failure. That was an inhumane and unlawful act which cost one of your fellow citizens his life. This act of homicide was further aggravated by the now convicted former police officer ignoring warnings and cautions from bystanders, some of whom had first-responder and medical training. Finally Mr. Chauvin, being an agent of the state abused his power and in so doing knowingly created the conditions which caused Mr. Floyd to die while he was in police custody. For these reasons he was convicted by a jury of his peers in an open and impartial court of law. This was a good outcome for the Rule of Law, for justice and for the vocation of policing in general.

The look you saw on Mr. Chauvin's face was the same look of cold realisation which most convicted felons show when found guilty in a court of law for the first time. Mr. Chauvin is an adult and is responsible for his actions and decisions made with respect to the arrest and immobilising techniques he used on Mr. Floyd. Mr. Chauvin's decisions and actions led to Mr. Floyd's death while in Officer Chauvin's custody. He made very bad choices and now must pay the consequences for his bad choices and homicidal actions. Yes, Mr. Chauvin is a human being but he is also now a proven example of man's inhumanity to man. Hopefully Mr. Floyd's unnecessary death and Mr. Chauvin's conviction and future sentencing will be two human tragedies of suffering which will bring about change in both policing and the prosecution of police officers who abuse their vested powers and needlessly hurt the citizens they are supposed to serve and protect. The suffering is not in vain nor does it serve no purpose. It is a necessary labour pain in the delivery of better policing in a very dangerous and imperfect society.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[bearpoker]

The hope is that Chauvin has now been presented with a spiritual opportunity. Unfortunately for him, any growth will occur through the eventual realization and acceptance of his own responsibility. The public shame and private prison isolation from the outside world are facts, but we can and should hope that for the sake of his soul, he will experience growth through suffering.

And we should hope too that everybody can work just a little bit harder on loving their enemies.

He's in for some tough love.

 

[nota bene]

He's in for some tough love.

Yes, he is. I very much hope that this will be for his good.

 

[NWRatCon]

I don't like to label people as criminals.

Well, except the criminals, right?

 

[Antiwar]

Just to make sure I follow, I have to ask a few questions.

You didn't end up asking a question.

The whole point of a system of laws is to have people suffer the consequences for breaking the ...

Suffering is not the point of laws.

 

[bearpoker]

Many people are traumatized and don’t kill others. Chauvin wasn’t insane, he knew what he was doing. He made a conscious choice to kill someone - or at least subject him to treatment that carried a significant risk of killing him - who was no threat to him.

What shocked me the most was that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck for three minutes after there was no pulse and refused a bystander's offer to give him CPR. That was damning.

 

[Antiwar]

Well, except the criminals, right?

Have you ever broken a law? Is there any adult that has never broken a law?

 

[Daisy]

I have no sympathy for him...he did what he did deliberately and intentionally...my sympathies are with his family and those who love him, they'll suffer the most from all of this...

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Trauma, especially in childhood, affects people.

Again, so what?

Childhood trauma doesn’t excuse what people do as adults.

Many, many people endure terrible childhoods and don’t become criminals later on.

 

[bearpoker]

Again, so what?

Childhood trauma doesn’t excuse what people do as adults.

Many, many people endure terrible childhoods and don’t become criminals later on.

There are also a lot of people who didn't have traumatic childhoods but still commit violent crimes. So far we don't know anything about Chauvin's childhood. For all we know his biggest trauma was not getting the video game system he wanted for Christmas.

 

[Antiwar]

Mr. Chauvin knowingly and wilfully killed Mr. Floyd by putting the deceased into respiratory distress for many minutes, inducing hypoxia which resulted in vital organ failure. That was an inhumane and unlawful act which cost one of your fellow citizens his life. This act of homicide was further aggravated by the now convicted former police officer ignoring warnings and cautions from bystanders, some of whom had first-responder and medical training. Finally Mr. Chauvin, being an agent of the state abused his power and in so doing knowingly created the conditions which caused Mr. Floyd to die while he was in police custody. For these reasons he was convicted by a jury of his peers in an open and impartial court of law. This was a good outcome for the Rule of Law, for justice and for the vocation of policing in general.

The look you saw on Mr. Chauvin's face was the same look of cold realisation which most convicted felons show when found guilty in a court of law for the first time. Mr. Chauvin is an adult and is responsible for his actions and decisions made with respect to the arrest and immobilising techniques he used on Mr. Floyd. Mr. Chauvin's decisions and actions led to Mr. Floyd's death while in Officer Chauvin's custody. He made very bad choices and now must pay the consequences for his bad choices and homicidal actions. Yes, Mr. Chauvin is a human being but he is also now a proven example of man's inhumanity to man. Hopefully Mr. Floyd's unnecessary death and Mr. Chauvin's conviction and future sentencing will be two human tragedies of suffering which will bring about change in both policing and the prosecution of police officers who abuse their vested powers and needlessly hurt the citizens they are supposed to serve and protect. The suffering is not in vain nor does it serve no purpose. It is a necessary labour pain in the delivery of better policing in a very dangerous and imperfect society.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

While the verdicts are good (considering the current conditions of society), they are much moreso a sign of societal failure.

 

[americanwoman]

The hope is that Chauvin has now been presented with a spiritual opportunity. Unfortunately for him, any growth will occur through the eventual realization and acceptance of his own responsibility. The public shame and private prison isolation from the outside world are facts, but we can and should hope that for the sake of his soul, he will experience growth through suffering.

And we should hope too that everybody can work just a little bit harder on loving their enemies.

Exactly.

As one of my favorite quotes says "To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering".

 

[nota bene]

Exactly.

As one of my favorite quotes says "To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering".

I love this. Have never heard it, so thank you.

 

[americanwoman]

Have you ever broken a law? Is there any adult that has never broken a law?

Yes, and I would expect to suffer the consequences and nobody feel sorry for me.

 

[calamity]

I watched some of a video last night and when I saw what looked to be his reaction to the verdicts it looked like his mind couldn't believe what was happening. This reminded me that he is human. It's not that I needed a reminder on the categorical level, not that I had dehumanized him because of what he did, it's that I don't want to any being's suffering increased. I didn't want George Floyd's suffering increased, and I don't want Derek Chauvin's suffering increased.

I always saw Chauvin as a sociopath, and his shock was exactly what I expect to see when a sociopath finds out that his shit really does stink. We all have experience with these people.

 

[Antiwar]

Again, so what?

Childhood trauma doesn’t excuse what people do as adults.

I didn't imply nor say that childhood trauma excuses adult behavior.

Many, many people endure terrible childhoods and don’t become criminals later on.

True. One of the points is that most people that harm themselves and/or others have suffered significant trauma in their lives. Preventing trauma should be a universal principle. Preventing trauma will prevent future trauma; trauma is often a cycle that repeats.

 

[Antiwar]

Yes, and I would expect to suffer the consequences and nobody feel sorry for me.

The context is labeling people as criminals.

 

[americanwoman]

The context is labeling people as criminals.

A criminal is a person that commits a crime.

If the shoe fits, wear it.