Deportations under Trump half what Biden did.

[Bullseye]

Cite them. And not the "93%" being offered in lieu of numbers.

Ain't worth my time. You won't accept any sources I cite.

When I went to school "93%' was a number,

 

[SavannahMann]

FFS...YOU started this thread by QUOTING A WEBSITE.

Aw Mack. I posted to a long respected news source. That source with the author identified, and who was a long serving reporter with specialty in the field, at least according to your source. That article told where he got the information. Allowing others to check on it.

Your source quoted an unnamed Trump Official. Was it a Janitor? Was it JD Vance? Was it a Secretary passing by when the phone rang? We don’t know. We can’t check the information. We have to take his word for it.

Well to check this I called my source in the White House. He refused to be directly quoted. But my source said that Trump is furious and ready to fire Noem if she doesn’t get on the job. Noem apparently explained that using military aircraft was way more expensive than using chartered aircraft and that was a source of some of the expenditures. Also hunting down the vicious criminals was a problem because they were all in Prison and not eligible for release just to be deported. As per his orders they had two ICE agents there around the clock in case these violent criminals were released.

The meeting got so heated that they had to distract Trump with drawings of the Trump Casino as an envisioned in Gaza.

Now I can’t tell you who I talked to. You’ll have to take my word for it. Will you?

 

[jmotivator]

In a surprise to no one, the DHS is deporting Illegals at a rate that is half what Biden was doing.

Trump migrant deportation numbers compared to Obama, Biden

The first two weeks of the new administration saw over 5,000 immigrants removed or deported, the Department of Homeland Security said.

www.newsweek.com

As was shown before during the First Term of Trump. He talked a lot, but actually accomplished nothing.

It seems the second coming of Trump is a replay of the first term, at least as far as his managing the Illegals situation is concerned.

This doesn't really make the point you want it to. The number of total illegal migrants under Biden skyrocketed.

What matters is how many were allowed to stay, which would be the pink bar in the graph below. The percentage of illegals who were deported under Trump was far higher than Obama or Biden

 

[SavannahMann]

This doesn't really make the point you want it to. The number of total illegal migrants under Biden skyrocketed.

What matters is how many were allowed to stay, which would be the pink bar in the graph below. The percentage of illegals who were deported under Trump was far higher than Obama or Biden

View attachment 67556193

Let’s say you manage a Baseball team. You have a losing season. You show a graph that says you got more of the other teams out at first base than anyone else and that makes you the real winner. It completely ignores the rest of the field, and game.

The RW is cherry picking. Um Trump is doing better near the border. So he is better on the Immigration issue than anyone else.

The total number of illegals is always bandied about as 20 million. It was Twenty Million when Trump ran for office in 2016. It was 20 million when Biden was sworn in. It was 20 million when people went to the polls.

If Trump had been doing a great job in Term one, wouldn’t the number be lower when he left office?

I keep asking people to do the Math. So help me out. Trump ordered ICE to deport 1,500 a day. Now in fairness that is more than double what Biden or Obama averaged. But how long will it take to deport 20 million illegals from our nation? That is if they ever manage that.

So what number did you come up with?

 

[jmotivator]

Let’s say you manage a Baseball team. You have a losing season. You show a graph that says you got more of the other teams out at first base than anyone else and that makes you the real winner. It completely ignores the rest of the field, and game.

The RW is cherry picking. Um Trump is doing better near the border. So he is better on the Immigration issue than anyone else.

The total number of illegals is always bandied about as 20 million. It was Twenty Million when Trump ran for office in 2016. It was 20 million when Biden was sworn in. It was 20 million when people went to the polls.

If Trump had been doing a great job in Term one, wouldn’t the number be lower when he left office?

I keep asking people to do the Math. So help me out. Trump ordered ICE to deport 1,500 a day. Now in fairness that is more than double what Biden or Obama averaged. But how long will it take to deport 20 million illegals from our nation? That is if they ever manage that.

So what number did you come up with?

You analogy is forced an illogical.

To use a sports analogy, If you look at the statistics I presented and count deportations as your team's baskets and those who remained as opposing team baskets, the Biden Administration played the part of the Washington Generals -vs- The Harlem Globetrotters.

 

[Plasmaball]

And the INCOMING SURGE IS 1/500 the size under Trump as it was under brandon !
It's so sad when people talk about quantities, but are not good with math !

Surge? These are people already here

 

[Plasmaball]

of course deportations have plummeted - see, when you open the border up like Biden did and millions come across, its easy to deport tens of thousand who will turn right around and come back in ..... when you shut the border, there aren't many to send back except the ones that are living here illegally

Illegal border crossings down 90% under Trump​

New York Post
https://nypost.com › 2025/02/06 › us-news › illegal-bor...
6 days ago — Illegal border crossings have plummeted 90% since Trump returned to White House, Border Patrol chief says. By. Jennie Taer and. Chris Nesi.

Again if 20 million illegals re in the county already then border crossing is irrelevant.

 

[Metric Mouse]

So I am arguing logically and rationally to give the MAGA Fanboys what they say they want. What the electorate said they wanted was the Illegals out.

The problem is that the Fanboys whip out Illegals whenever a Democrat is in office. They’re soft on crime. Soft on immigration. All that. When we go to the numbers they have a hundred excuses as to why it doesn’t matter.

So I want to do it. I want to go ahead and really get tough on Immigration. I want to go after the people committing multiple felonies to hire the illegals.

Well then you should have voted for someone other than Trump, it seems. He is letting more people stay than Biden did; or Obama did.

You already had your wish of presidents who are tough on immigration, for 12 of the past 16 years. Did their massive deportation schemes accomplish what you were hoping?

If Trump lets more immigrants stay, I think that's good for the country.

 

[SavannahMann]

You analogy is forced an illogical.

To use a sports analogy, If you look at the statistics I presented and count deportations as your team's baskets and those who remained as opposing team baskets, the Biden Administration played the part of the Washington Generals -vs- The Harlem Globetrotters.

We are making progress. You are almost getting the point. To declare Trump as better you only count baskets outside the three point line from the right side of the key.

If you count total deportations, Biden and Obama win. You guys keep screaming deportations by border patrol. Border Patrol only works close to. You guessed it. The border. The rest of the nation, and those twenty million illegals are where ICE comes in. When you count all of the above Biden and Obama are the winner. The total baskets your analogy above wanted to decide the contest by.

For Trump to win you have to count only baskets scored by the Point Guard.

 

[LouC]

Deportations under Trump half what Biden did.​

Too little and too late from the both of them!

We know Joe screwed up and allowed an ever larger Immigration crisis to develop.

But if President Donald Trump 1.0 hadn't spent so much time golfing and spent it getting illegal aliens deported then maybe he could have vastly reduced that 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA already that Obama handed him and that he handed over to Soft Border Joe.

 

[SavannahMann]

Well then you should have voted for someone other than Trump, it seems. He is letting more people stay than Biden did; or Obama did.

You already had your wish of presidents who are tough on immigration, for 12 of the past 16 years. Did their massive deportation schemes accomplish what you were hoping?

If Trump lets more immigrants stay, I think that's good for the country.

I voted for Trump, in 2016. I sat out 2020 because I refused to pretend one steaming pile of shit was superior to the other. I have since admitted that was a mistake. Biden was a steaming pile. But it turns out that Trump was actually a flaming pile.

In 2024 I donated to and voted for Harris. My demands for mass deportations is what would be called malicious compliance, or malicious support if you will.

I want it to be massive because I know it will cause the loss of farms and warehouses and packing plants. I know it will bankrupt a lot of MAGA fans.

At this point I’m the older kid telling the younger one to go ahead and stick the fork in the socket. I had previously warned him not to but he wanted to show how smart he was. They’re too smart to listen. Fine with me. Go ahead.

I am well aware that the stated goals of the campaign from Trump and the Fanboys would result in economic disaster. But they won, and so now I’m the asshole standing there shouting that they need to do what they said they would. I’m throwing wood into the dumpster fire to make it bigger and hotter.

Are we on the same sheet of music yet? I want these damned fools to suffer massive losses from their lies and idiocy. I want it to hurt so bad it will be generations before we start down this path again.

 

[SavannahMann]

Deportations under Trump half what Biden did.​

Too little and too late from the both of them!

We know Joe screwed up and allowed an ever larger Immigration crisis to develop.

But if President Donald Trump 1.0 hadn't spent so much time golfing and spent it getting illegal aliens deported then maybe he could have vastly reduced that 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA already that Obama handed him and that he handed over to Soft Border Joe.

Time out. Huddle called. I say that because when Trump ran in 2016 we heard about twenty million illegals, not eleven. So you guys need to get together and figure out what numbers we are using. I’ve got a bottle of white out and a pen so I’ll go with what you decide as we rewrite history. Or maybe we should just write it in pencil. That would make it easier to change.

 

[LouC]

Time out. Huddle called. I say that because when Trump ran in 2016 we heard about twenty million illegals, not eleven. So you guys need to get together and figure out what numbers we are using. I’ve got a bottle of white out and a pen so I’ll go with what you decide as we rewrite history. Or maybe we should just write it in pencil. That would make it easier to change.

The 11 Million number was what the authorities, the people in the know, were saying all along as the most likely figure, the "20 million" was Right Wing and early MAGAT exaggeration based on a deeply flawed Yale study, in essence the Right Wing and early MAGATRY glommed onto that flawed study and began firing undocumented falsehoods for effect.

Lord knows there is no way we would have a stray cat population in America of upwards of 100 +/- million if we had 20 million illegals living here. s/

 

[jmotivator]

We are making progress. You are almost getting the point. To declare Trump as better you only count baskets outside the three point line from the right side of the key.

If you count total deportations, Biden and Obama win. You guys keep screaming deportations by border patrol. Border Patrol only works close to. You guessed it. The border. The rest of the nation, and those twenty million illegals are where ICE comes in. When you count all of the above Biden and Obama are the winner. The total baskets your analogy above wanted to decide the contest by.

Boy do you miss the entire point. The Scoring in my analogy is the net differential between apprehensions and deportations. It's like saying a score of 75-100 is a -25 point differential. The larger that differential the worse you lost.

You are trying to argue that a final score of 90-100 with a differential of -10 is a worse loss than a game where you team ended up lost 115-300 because 115 is bigger than 90.

For Trump to win you have to count only baskets scored by the Point Guard.

You are trying to only focus on half of the equation. A higher percentage of illegal aliens made it into the united states under Biden than under Trump, by a lot.

That you still desperately try to defend Biden's record on the border is simply amazing.

By the way, Biden's deportations only exceeded Trump's while Trump era COVID restrictions were in place. When those restrictions lifted Biden did less deportations and still let the flood continue.

The flood only subsided on the Southern Border when the courts ruled that Texas had the right to defend the Southern border even if the Biden administration wouldn't... a case that Texas only won because Biden's DOJ sued to try and stop Texas from defending the border.

And of course by 2024 the Democrats had to admit that there was indeed a border crisis and suddenly Biden is all gung ho on Border security and only the dumbest of the dumb Democrat voters bought that bullshit, which is one of the major reasons you party lost every single swing state in 2024.

So keep trying to polish the Biden turd, but it will only lose you more elections. The sooner to come to terms with the scope of the Biden=Kamala failure at the border the sooner your party can return to something resembling sanity.

 

[SavannahMann]

Boy do you miss the entire point. The Scoring in my analogy is the net differential between apprehensions and deportations. It's like saying a score of 75-100 is a -25 point differential. The larger that differential the worse you lost.

You are trying to argue that a final score of 90-100 with a differential of -10 is a worse loss than a game where you team ended up lost 115-300 because 115 is bigger than 90.



You are trying to only focus on half of the equation. A higher percentage of illegal aliens made it into the united states under Biden than under Trump, by a lot.

That you still desperately try to defend Biden's record on the border is simply amazing.

By the way, Biden's deportations only exceeded Trump's while Trump era COVID restrictions were in place. When those restrictions lifted Biden did less deportations and still let the flood continue.

The flood only subsided on the Southern Border when the courts ruled that Texas had the right to defend the Southern border even if the Biden administration wouldn't... a case that Texas only won because Biden's DOJ sued to try and stop Texas from defending the border.

And of course by 2024 the Democrats had to admit that there was indeed a border crisis and suddenly Biden is all gung ho on Border security and only the dumbest of the dumb Democrat voters bought that bullshit, which is one of the major reasons you party lost every single swing state in 2024.

So keep trying to polish the Biden turd, but it will only lose you more elections. The sooner to come to terms with the scope of the Biden=Kamala failure at the border the sooner your party can return to something resembling sanity.

I understand handicapping a race. But man, are you guys busy with it.

Now. Let’s get busy with the real deal. Why are we not deporting more people? Trump’s “goal” is 1,500 a day. That will take a while by my math using the “twenty million” number that was the main talking point during the Campaign. By my math that seems to be about 36 years. So why are we not striving for 15,000 so we can get it done during Trump’s term? Why not solve the problem instead of just papering over it?

Just think, JD Vance, or whichever of the Trump Children gets the nod from Daddy, could be campaigning that they solved illegal immigrants here in the United States in a single term. I mean, if they don’t because Trump went soft on it, what can they say? Oh this time we’ll really get serious. The election after that they can say we really mean it, we’re getting serious this time. I swear it.

But when you look at the totals, Biden deported more than Trump. And Biden was soft on immigration. He invited them here remember? If we are going by straight numbers, final scores of the basketball game using the analogy above. Biden wins. You can explain that a player was out with a pulled hamstring. Or that the guy was out with the Flu. But in the end, there was a team that won, and the final score showed who it was. Why doesn’t Trump get serious? Mass Deportations. That is what we were promised, and I want to see them. I’m not interested in excuses for Trump. I want to hold his feet to the fire to make him deliver.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Where are you guys getting your numbers?

It's dark, warm, fecal stinky place they are pulling them out of. Just like their orange God El Stupido.

 

[jmotivator]

I understand handicapping a race. But man, are you guys busy with it.

Now. Let’s get busy with the real deal. Why are we not deporting more people?

Let me spell this out for you:

There was a policy in place since the Trump administration that mandated deportations under many circumstances.

When illegals crossed the border and turned themselves in to CBP, there was a quick turn around with deporting those who didn't qualify because THE WERE ALREADY IN CUSTODY.

So part one of how Biden had more deportations was he had far more illegal crossers in custody that would then be turned around... and even still FAR MORE got through than were sent home.

Trump's deportation orders today are far more difficult because 1) The illegals have already largely vanished into the population and have to be tracked down and 2) Criminally complicit Democrat officials are helping even the gang members avoid capture by ice by tipping them off.

Democrats would rather leave violent illegal alien gangs terrorizing Americans than comply with federal law.

Which is, again, why the clueless sacks of shit lost in 2024.

 

[MAGAnificent]

He's not rapidly "departing them". That's the whole problem and the subject of the thread. Trump's lack of efficacy in deportations in relation to his predecessors.

Intellectually dishonest post.

 

[snakestretcher]

In a surprise to no one, the DHS is deporting Illegals at a rate that is half what Biden was doing.

Trump migrant deportation numbers compared to Obama, Biden

The first two weeks of the new administration saw over 5,000 immigrants removed or deported, the Department of Homeland Security said.

www.newsweek.com

As was shown before during the First Term of Trump. He talked a lot, but actually accomplished nothing.

It seems the second coming of Trump is a replay of the first term, at least as far as his managing the Illegals situation is concerned.

Yep-and just wait until his idiotically reckless tariff stunt rebounds again-just like the last time-and cost his fans more. The deportation 'plan's' consequence has been estimated to push 10 million families into financial hardship.

Proposed 2024 Mass Deportation Program Would Socially and Economically Devastate American Families - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)

In this report, we highlight the devastation of mass deportation on both undocumented residents and their US citizen and legal noncitizen families and communities.

cmsny.org

 

[snakestretcher]

Intellectually dishonest post.

What did you find dishonest?

 

[snakestretcher]

This doesn't really make the point you want it to. The number of total illegal migrants under Biden skyrocketed.

What matters is how many were allowed to stay, which would be the pink bar in the graph below. The percentage of illegals who were deported under Trump was far higher than Obama or Biden

View attachment 67556193

An "encounter" does not mean what you think it does. It means exactly what it says; an encounter with border guards-not an illegal entry.

 

[stealthycat]

Again if 20 million illegals re in the county already then border crossing is irrelevant.

I agree. For the problem to be fixed, we have to have

(A) a secured border
(B) no illegals in the country

one or the other doesn't fix the problem - have to do both

 

[LouC]

I agree. For the problem to be fixed, we have to have

(A) a secured border
(B) no illegals in the country

one or the other doesn't fix the problem - have to do both

 

[snakestretcher]

I agree. For the problem to be fixed, we have to have

(A) a secured border
(B) no illegals in the country

one or the other doesn't fix the problem - have to do both

Nobody yet has explained how to adequately police and secure 2000 miles of porous border. Maybe you can help with a suggestion?

 

[LouC]

Nobody yet has explained how to adequately police and secure 2000 miles of porous border. Maybe you can help with a suggestion?

Can I take a stab at that?

Well, I am going to do it anyway.

The first item on the list to accomplish that is MONEY, lots of real MONEY, from the US Congress, not the kind from Mexico that never shows up.

Next would be a huge CBP recruitment and retainment Program that succeeds, this would be one of the areas that the real MONEY would aid and abet.

The CBP on our geographic border has perpetually been understaffed, much like the CBP at work in our interiors, along with Immigration Courts and Judges and Prosecutors, all those entities are understaffed.

For Border Security to succeed we first need Boots on the Ground, Boots in vehicles, Boots in the air, and Boots on ATV's and Boots on Horseback.

While all of that is ramping up and the vehicles and stables are being acquired we move on to the next phase of Border Security.

We continue adding "Big Beautiful Wall" aka bollard style steel fencing along the geographic border per the already established Specifications of the CBP and DHS.

This is easy for those stretches of the border where we would be upgrading any existing outdated border barrier.

The difficult, super difficult, areas to be able to erect all new bollard style steel fencing would be the stretches of border that pass across private property, this is mostly in Texas.

Lawsuits and lawsuits and attempts to buy right of ways and threats of invoking Eminent Domain claims have had bollard style steel fencing along those border stretches bogged down in the courts for decades already.

The owners of this property do not want illegals crossing their property but they also don't want our Federal Government slicing their lands with big steel fences with a "Mexico side, and an American side" but but either no access or damned inconvenient access to their land on the Mexico side.

I do not blame them for getting so aggressive in the courts over this.

Leagues of lawyers would need to be hired to solve that dilemma.

Once permission to build is secured in all the places where new fencing is needed or old fencing is in need of upgrading then Congress needs to cut checks to the companies who won the bids and are doing the work.

Now, mind you, that part would of course need tons and tons of steel for the fence itself, however, what CBP and DHS wants included in Border wall construction is easily traversed roadway running parallel to the fencing so CBP vehicles and agents can quickly move along to where they are needed.

Knowing where they are needed comes in various ways, from Drones, manned aircraft, night and day cameras along the fencing, as well as deployment of ground censors that can detect one or more people walking through the censor fields.

It can be done, but it will take lawyers, guns, and money, lots of money!