It looks like its quite a problem. US: Parents of American Children Summarily Deported | Human Rights Watch
Easy argument to make when you were one of the 4.4% of people on this earth lucky enough to be born American. I suppose that took a lot of bravery on your part to choose to be born here rather than in some third world ****hole. :roll: Of course, being you made that choice to be born here, you now get to be entitled to judge those that weren't and call them cowards when they come here looking for work and a better life.
OK..... so you are all in favor of rounding up anyone that has had oral sex or anal sex in Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas and Utah and bringing them before a judge to "face the music" as, after all, breaking the law is breaking the law, people deserve to be held accountable for their actions, period
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There are many arcane, stupid, unenforceable and not practical to enforce laws on the books. In all things judgement must be applied....
Appeal to humanity is what it is. The question stands, if it was your decision and you had to get your hands dirty, could you do it.
Anti-immigrant advocates are unaware of, or choose to ignore, the fact that it is virtually impossible for a poor person to immigrate to the USA legally. It costs tens of thousands of dollars and several years of waiting while the potential immigrant's children go hungry and live with the threat of violence.
Another false claim. Those who oppose illegal aliens are not "anti-immigrant advocates" - that's a crock tossed up by those who advocate amnesty for criminals. Most people on the right fully support legal immigration where it improves the economy and social well being of the country.
If it takes too long and costs too much, that's readily fixable without abandoning the rule of law.
It is more likely the kids would be placed with a close relative. They would be American citizens and not subject to deportation.
And your Tiny Violin scenario is PRECISELY WHY we have a problem and keep having it.
Putrid liberality.
Dozens of sympathy amnesties rewarding Criminals.
Someone sneaks across and then claims "reunite" or "tear apart" brutally separated family.
So parents sneak across.. kids sneak across.. then EVERY Extended family has a new 'right.
It's estimated 11 million will become 33 Million with their/YOUR new 'rights'.
And your scenario is to the LEFT side of fair
MOST immigrants haven't lived here that long and don't have 9 and 13 yr old kids...
Whose Education and Healthcare WE have been paying for since they work Off the books.
And most have More than Two kids.
Many send their illegal money back across the border.
Virtually ALL are BIG Net losers for the economy, in that even on the books, they pay NO net Federal Income tax.
Even the famous "47%" of legals pay no net Federal Income taxes save for FICA and are net losers.
So how good is it for the economy if they make 25K OFF the books and send 1/3 back to Mexico/etc.
A Family of 4-7 OFF the books ILLEGALS probably costs the economy/US-Taxpayers $100,000 a Year in healthcare, edu, roads, prisons, police, border patrol, etc.
Even ON the books, Big Net losers.
Your whole BS sympathetic scenario is unfair.
What about what happened THIS yr.. people sending their kids in first.. then we get the 'reunite'/orphan whining.
Most are more recent, many came across JUST to have kids.
WHAT ABOUT Them?
ANSWER that.
Why DISINGENUOUSLY present only your 15-yr-here Scenario?
Deport?
No.
E-verify.
NO USA citizenship, NO JOBS. Period. (employER sanctions)
You come across illegally you you Cannot get a job and can NEVER be made Legal.
PERIOD.
We don't need Border Patrol Nor 'deport'.
just Guaranteed Nothing to [illegally] come for.
Game over.
You just perpetuate the rolling amnesty/rewarding Illegals problem.
You reward criminality merely because they have stayed hidden longer.
it always seemed to me the easiest and cheapest way to solve the issue is to make the economic climate unfavorable to attract undocumented workers.
make hiring them a capital crime?
As I have pointed out in an earlier post, all crimes are not equal, and our justice system recognizes that. Judges routinely consider the circumstances surrounding a crime when determining the penalties / sentence for that crime. The reason why I bring up the emotional aspects of this is that we are not robots, thus as humans the emotional aspects comes into play. The question is not whether the law says they can be deported, the question is whether if you had to do the dirty work and you have to make the decisions, could you do it. That by definition is a question of conscience. There is no right or wrong answers other than lame attempts at rationalizing it.
Fines are considered reasonable punishments for non-felonies. Illegal immigration is a non-felony.
It is like that for a reason.
If you are from Mexico you can't gt a visa unless you can prove you have enough assets in Mexico to make sure you will go back at come point.
The only reason poor people go to the US is to take advantage of the country and its people.
Wow, you really have a dim view of South American nations.
Couldn't we show we are serious by really going after those that employ illegal immigrants and doing a better job of securing our border? It seems like we could do that while at the same time recognizing that situations do exist like the one described in the opening post. I think its realistic and practical to go after those that employ illegals and securing our border, I don't its realistic to think we could deport everyone that is already here though.
It depends on the country. Nicaragua and Honduras for example have a per-capita GDP of less than 10% of ours. Not exactly lands of opportunity. Hell the median per-capita GDP of Latin American countries is only about 22% of ours here.
Heh, and COL is on par with that, making it a wash.
it always seemed to me the easiest and cheapest way to solve the issue is to make the economic climate unfavorable to attract undocumented workers.
make hiring them a capital crime?
Maybe you don't hear those things because they are two separate and distinct issues - immigration has nothing to do with illegal aliens. The left wants to conflate them in their never ending need to demonize the other side's motives. Didn't take long to get the racism charges out.
Should we stop jailing people who commit identity fraud, rape, or (fill in any criminal violation you like that gets' jail time) due to the fact that doing so would restrict or remove parental access to children?
Children who are American citizens can travel back with their parents until they reach the age of majority at which point they are American citizens and can come right back here.
So because Latinos in poverty happen to have a convenient land route to illegally enter the country, they're doing and honorable thing and America should just accept them? Third world poverty doesn't only exist in Guatemala, etc. Is it America's responsibility to provide a comfortable life to all the world's children of poverty, or just the ones who can walk over the border?
In poverty? When it takes thousands of dollars to coyote up? How far will that get them and their families in their host country? Maybe to a safe and more prosperous part of their host country, or to one of the other South American countries a hell of a lot closer than the US.
I don't feel guilty at all for being born here. However, I do empathize with those that were not so lucky. I guess that's the difference between us on this.
A man and his wife sneak across the border illegally from Mexico. After they live here for a couple of years they have a couple of kids. The kids are now age 9 and 13 and have lived here their whole lives. They don't speak much Spanish. They are enrolled in school and like all kids have friends and play sports and so on. The parents however have never obtained legal status despite the fact they have lived and worked here for 15 years.
It's entirely up to you, could you personally walk into their home, arrest the parents in front of their kids, bring them up before an immigration hearing where you sit as judge, and then deport them back to Mexico?
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