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Department of Education

Should the Dept of Education Be Returned to the States?

  • Conservative - Yes

    Votes: 12 17.1%

  • Conservative - No

    Votes: 4 5.7%

  • Libertarian - Yes

    Votes: 8 11.4%

  • Libertarian - No

    Votes: 3 4.3%

  • Progressive/Liberal - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Progressive/Liberal - No

    Votes: 17 24.3%

  • Socialist - Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Socialist - No

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Other - Yes

    Votes: 10 14.3%

  • Other - No

    Votes: 15 21.4%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
Cephus said:
The thing that leads to strife is people having unrealistic expectations and emotional demands. People want to feel good, they don't care if what's being taught to their children is actually true and that's a problem. I want facts taught, screw what their parents want. Texas and Florida have already tried to push a neo-conservative agenda in their education and we already know that California and Texas lead the educational norms in this country because textbook publishers will push whatever Texas and California want on everyone else to save costs. If we eliminate this nonsensical state-to-state educational mess and simply have a nationwide curriculum that everyone has to follow, it won't be the big population centers that rule the roost like it is now. I don't think, by any means, that a centralized federal power is objectively worse, in fact, I think the opposite is true. Granted, what we have right now is a disaster but it doesn't have to be. Letting the crazy parents and religious leaders decide on a state by state, or worse, a town by town basis, that's just begging for disaster.
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I think we are arguing 2 different things which would be my fault for going off topic. :p

I'm not opposed to a uniform education system as long as it is agenda free and fact based. I do think we need to complete teardown and rebuild the education system from the ground up because in it's current state it is a disaster.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Not really all that long ago, especially since so many people continue to venerate the Confederacy
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For those who like to live in the past and believe that things never change, it might seem like yesterday. In the meantime, our education system crumbles.
 
Nap said:
I think we are arguing 2 different things which would be my fault for going off topic. :p

I'm not opposed to a uniform education system as long as it is agenda free and fact based. I do think we need to complete teardown and rebuild the education system from the ground up because in it's current state it is a disaster.
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And I would agree with you there.
 
Cephus said:
And I would agree with you there.
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I believe one of the first changes that needs to be implemented is more focus on technology/computers. We would be much better shape if instead of learning secondary languages like Spanish or French if a computer programming course was taught in highschool around 20 years ago.

This and school choice, I still think that the idea that children should be tied to the school in the district their parents can afford is rather ridiculous. If I was a parent I would be outraged that I didn't have the choice of school my child attends. If I want to take my child across town to a different school because my district was terrible and horribly ran then I should have that choice.
 
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Nap said:
I believe one of the first changes that needs to be implemented is more focus on technology/computers. We would be much better shape if instead of learning secondary languages like Spanish or French if a computer programming course was taught in highschool around 20 years ago.

This and school choice, I still think that the idea that children should be tied to the school in the district their parents can afford is rather ridiculous. If I was a parent I would be outraged that I didn't have the choice of school my child attends. If I want to take my child across town to a different school because my district was terrible and horribly ran then I should have that choice.
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Nothing is perfect, and the choice is private school. Sadly, it is based on what someone can afford, and it seems a socialist is coming out of your libertarian badge...

I have a problem with society not allowing proper discipline in the schools and mandating political agendas to the kids. Kids need discipline, and the basics of knowledge for their future. I blame the liberal agenda for these silly notions that do mare harm in the schools than good.

The federal government took a limited role before president Carter signed it into law in 1979. It used to be part of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Of course, liberals, wanting to indoctrinate our children, wanted to grow that bureaucracy so large, it needed it's own... everything.

Just look at the PoS snowflakes coming out of our schools today, compared to the 70's and earlier.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Then you have obviously never been to very many meetings at the local public school where parents are voicing their opinions. I cringe every time I go to one at our kid's high school and have to listen to half the parents voice some of the dumbest opinions imaginable. When schools are spending tons of money on uniforms for the damn lacrosse team, when they are banning books in the libraries, when biology teachers are afraid to mention the term evolution, when schools have to devote time and resources to determine a more inclusive way of nominated homecoming queens and so on... Idiocy like that is not due to federal involvement in education, or even state involvement usually, but rather its almost always due to local idiots raising hell until they get their way.
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Okedoke. Show me the parent uprising against math because it's sexist.

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He States right people it believed local government is the answer to everything is a hoax. What it really is is its way for the federal government to not have to spend any money. They want to push the burden of paying for education on the local government. That is their goal




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Crovax said:
No, there is a baseline level of knowledge that all Americans should have and the DOE needs to be in place to ensure that it happens. Otherwise a large state like California could decide that math is too sexist and stop teaching and set our country back decades.
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I agree. There should be a national standard set for what basics students are required to learn to qualify for a high school diploma, however that can be done without a national Department of Education.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I agree. There should be a national standard set for what basics students are required to learn to qualify for a high school diploma, however that can be done without a national Department of Education.
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Who makes the standard and who enforces it, you're still going to need a dept of education
 
This Illuminating the Department of Education thing is just another hold back from the Ronald Reagan Era. It's not a good idea and that's why it failed. The idea then was for Less government. The idea now is that local control can educate your students better. There is a whole lot of places where if there was only local control over what students learn they would not get an education. Teaching creationism as a science. Cant have an anatomy class because the pictures shows vagina and penises. All the Liberal textbooks they would burn. How about having Bible study in one of the classes?

Once again not very many people know what they're talking about on the topic

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Dirt Sands said:
This Illuminating the Department of Education thing is just another hold back from the Ronald Reagan Era. It's not a good idea and that's why it failed. The idea then was for Less government. The idea now is that local control can educate your students better. There is a whole lot of places where if there was only local control over what students learn they would not get an education. Teaching creationism as a science. Cant have an anatomy class because the pictures shows vagina and penises. All the Liberal textbooks they would burn. How about having Bible study in one of the classes?

Once again not very many people know what they're talking about on the topic

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There were standards before the Department of Education was signed into law in 1979. Spouting crap like that just shows you are ignorant of the facts. An office of Education, or better, has always been around since 1868, and always will, in some form.

Don't you get it?

Educations doesn't need the entire bureaucracy of a cabinet position! Return it back under a different cabinet and back to an "Office of Education."
 
Crovax said:
Which was not at all
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There were federal standards back then. Kids today know far less coming out of HS, then they did the 8th grade of decades back.
 
Crovax said:
Who makes the standard and who enforces it, you're still going to need a dept of education
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Could be a board made up of representatives of state boards of education and the requirements voted on. And it does not have to be based in D.C. It would have one singular goal and would not need a cabinet position.
 
LesGovt said:
Should the Department of Education be ended and send education and the Federal funding for it back to the states?
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I would of thought that the question would be more along the lines of the mandate one wanted to grant the Federal government. That it might hold an all round general aptitude each year for each level seems sensible. But maybe one wouldn't want Trump telling every teacher what to teach on every day of the year like in some centralised countries do it.
 
Lord of Planar said:
There were federal standards back then. Kids today know far less coming out of HS, then they did the 8th grade of decades back.
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It depends on the school you go to ie are coming down from. Most of all it seems to be important, what the student's parents' attitude towards education is.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Snowfakes...
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Its left and right that the idiocy comes from with local education. For every liberal parent wanting to change up how the homecoming queen is selected to be more inclusive, there is a biology teacher scared to death to mention the word evolution for fear of a bunch of conservative parents throwing a fit.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Could be a board made up of representatives of state boards of education and the requirements voted on. And it does not have to be based in D.C. It would have one singular goal and would not need a cabinet position.
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I think you just arguing to argue now. Are you seriously claiming that 50 people all loyal to thier home state would be able to better accomplish a singular goal than a streamlined organization with its only purpose to be that singular goal.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Could be a board made up of representatives of state boards of education and the requirements voted on. And it does not have to be based in D.C. It would have one singular goal and would not need a cabinet position.
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Have you seen the type of people that are on school boards? They're the furthest right wing Tea partying nuts on the planet. Your board would be these people. They would be the furthest right-wingers on Earth. Hey do you believe the world is only 6000 years old? These people you speak of do.

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ObamacareFail said:
Could be a board made up of representatives of state boards of education and the requirements voted on. And it does not have to be based in D.C. It would have one singular goal and would not need a cabinet position.
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Voted on by who? Are they qualified? Because if you're talking about parents, then they absolutely are not. My position has always been that once every couple of years, experts in all of the various educational fields ought to get together and decide what kids need to learn and when. What should the math curricula be? What should the science curricula be? What standards ought to be in place? And then these become the standards for every school, everywhere in the country, without exception. All textbooks become standardized. Every single kid in 9th grade in every single school is learning the same thing at the same time. If a kid moves from California to Alabama, they will walk into a classroom at the same level as the one they left. Kids will never be ahead or behind. Schools are welcome to teach more than the minimum curriculum but they cannot teach less. They cannot omit things. And maybe once a decade, the experts convene to update the standards, based on new discoveries or advancements. Lather, rinse, repeat. It doesn't have to be in Washington, but the only ones with the power to enforce these standards certainly are.
 
Dirt Sands said:
Have you seen the type of people that are on school boards? They're the furthest right wing Tea partying nuts on the planet. Your board would be these people. They would be the furthest right-wingers on Earth. Hey do you believe the world is only 6000 years old? These people you speak of do.
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Or, more likely, they're the furthest left wing nutballs on the planet who think there are 975 genders and that the government has to force parents to let their 6-year old transition. Those are also the people we're speaking of. People with a political agenda, not an educational one.
 
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