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Denver School Shooting

JMB802 said:
This is from an AP article about the shooting.

The shooting occurred at East High School in Denver while two administrators searched Lyle for weapons, a daily requirement because of the boy’s behavioral issues, authorities said. Lyle fled after the shooting.

apnews.com

Body found near Denver high school shooting suspect's car

A sheriff said that a body was found Wednesday night during a search in the Colorado woods near where they had found an abandoned car that belonged to a 17-year-old student accused of shooting two administrators at his Denver high school earlier in the day.
apnews.com apnews.com
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Please explain the rational of having a kid in school where he is required to be patted down every day. Obviously a dangerous risk to students, teachers and administrators but stupidity rules in the public school system that allows violent kids to come to school. The Denver liberals demanded no cops in the schools to be there to enforce safety and look what we have.
What's wrong in Americas, criminals getting soft treatment from our judicial system. Lock them up and keep them there until they serve their sentencing. I'm sick of watching video and reading newspaper articles about violent offenders, attacking innocent people in schools, on the street, in stores, the subways and getting no penalties for the crimes. Many of the perps are high school kids, lock them up as well. Do the crime, do the time. This soft on crime is literally killing America. Liberals are worried about guns but don't care at all about the people pulling the triggers.
 
JRTurner said:
Unless there's a push for a necessary change. These days, instead of worrying about frisking students, they're worked up about how a trans student pees and whether or not there's a sex scene in a book. I'd prefer they were worked up about violence in the schools.
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It would be nice if the school was concerned about the safety of its students and not have the school board do something stupid like removing the officers from the schools.
 
Chillfolks said:
It would be nice if the school was concerned about the safety of its students and not have the school board do something stupid like removing the officers from the schools.
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At least the gun violence provides jobs--more cops to patrol the schools, more detectives to investigate the shootings, more coroners to handle the work load, more morticians and funeral parlor directors, more drugs for the depressed family members, more counselors and therapists to handle PTSD in American children surviving gun violence.

It's almost like a cottage industry.
 
JRTurner said:
At least the gun violence provides jobs--more cops to patrol the schools, more detectives to investigate the shootings, more coroners to handle the work load, more morticians and funeral parlor directors, more drugs for the depressed family members, more counselors and therapists to handle PTSD in American children surviving gun violence.

It's almost like a cottage industry.
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I know if only we had one more law that would solve the problem
 
JRTurner said:
Or a culture willing to solve the problem :)
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We have one, unfortunately the other side keeps taking a soft on crime approach. An example would be this kid. He should not have been allowed to attend school because of his previous behavior problems and the risks it has on fellow students.
 
Chillfolks said:
This is looking worse and worse on the school, remin me of the VA 6year old shooting a teacher. There seem to have been some obvious warning signs
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The liberal response after George Floyd was to protest and insist on getting cops out of schools and cutting funding. Now you see just another example of what that kind of stupidity brings. Guns can't shot anyone without someone to pull the trigger. A fool that will bring a gun will bring a knife, so it's dealing with the person that is the answer.
 
Chillfolks said:
We have one, unfortunately the other side keeps taking a soft on crime approach. An example would be this kid. He should not have been allowed to attend school because of his previous behavior problems and the risks it has on fellow students.
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Instead stupid people said, take the cops out of school, let the criminal in school and make school administrators risk their lives patting down the kid. Now they are shot. Out to sue the school district for being forced into that position.
 
Chillfolks said:
It would be nice if the school was concerned about the safety of its students and not have the school board do something stupid like removing the officers from the schools.
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There seems to be no common sense among some people running our schools and our government. Keep the schools, the streets, the subways, all safe by keeping criminals of all ages locked up for their crimes. Let cops do what cops do, and make sure people who commit crimes understand they are going to be dealt with a truly appropriate penalty, that doesn't include ankle monitors and probation for violent crimes.
 
JRTurner said:
He should have been attending classes in a locked ward. There's no shame in needing mental health help and it sounds like his needs were definitely not being met.

I have a higher standard of consideration when it comes to teen shooters because their brains haven't even fully formed yet so there's still time to help them overcome the psychosis that contributes to their purpose for shootings. I think it's abusive to leave them in the hands of folks who aren't trained to handle extreme mental illnesses. Teachers and police are not, and shouldn't be, trained to treat mental illnesses.
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That’s the problem here in this country. We don’t treat the mentally ill as we need to. If this kid posed a danger to himself or others, then he should have been treated in an appropriate mental health facility. We just don’t spend the money on these sought of things
 
Integrityrespec said:
The liberal response after George Floyd was to protest and insist on getting cops out of schools and cutting funding. Now you see just another example of what that kind of stupidity brings. Guns can't shot anyone without someone to pull the trigger. A fool that will bring a gun will bring a knife, so it's dealing with the person that is the answer.
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Who should deal with the person? In this case, a minor known for behavioral difficulties and going around armed. Cops can't do anything unless he's breaking a law, and then that turns him into a criminal. Then the idea is to help him overcome his issues before he breaks the law. Teachers aren't equipped to deal with that while teaching the other 25 or more kids in the class math or history. The school counselor is there to help the child achieve academically--not handle sever mental illnesses. The principal can only discipline, not treat.

So then there needs to be a person who can be called in to make recommendations and connect the minor to proper community supports, backed by the full authority of the local municipality. That's the "stupidity" you're talking about--this person who does what no one else in the situation has in their job description. The one who does exactly what you say should be done--deal with the person.

Just sayin' ;)
 
Integrityrespec said:
Please explain the rational of having a kid in school where he is required to be patted down every day.
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I stopped reading after this sentence because I didn't make the decision. I just posted a link to the question asked by the OP. Send a note about your concerns to the Denver Public Schools.
 
zsu2357 said:
Good option then he could learn from the pros and I mean the violent type. That way he could come out twice as mean and with an attitude to match.
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He was already violent, obviously.
 
dmpi said:
He already got expelled once for weapons. His only option from that point forward should be home schooling by his lame parents.
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You really don’t know enough about this case to call his parents lame. I know of a case were the mother begged the judge to lock up her child, but instead the judge put him on house arrest with an ankle monitor. Needless to say the child removed the monitor went with his friends to rob homes and ran over a cop that was called to investigate the breaking and entering. So sometimes it is the justice system’s fault. When a parent asks for help, then the system should listen. If you don’t have the funds to help your child, then our government should step in
 
When reality conflicts with rhetoric...

 
America isn't only going to be physically and academically disproved but also metaphysically disproved of their gun rights arguments through an increase in crime. Fundamentally evil people who haven't fully abandoned their religion aren't inclined to be as evil as possible out of spiritual respect. Yet if Americans openly portray themselves as indifferent to gun victims then they're not far away from an evil society. Yet criminals in an evil society are no longer metaphysically deterred from being more evil because the victims would be from a collectively evil society. So Americans are wilfully self-harming by granting criminals the same amount of fire-power as law-abiding citizens who in turn are obeying an evil law to begin with. The harsh reality is that good and evil are relative concepts where you could kill someone and technically redeem yourself in the physical world by donating money to save lives in the third world. This is why the concept of doing good is meant to be well-intentioned in a spiritual way rather in just a cold and physical way. That is to say you're not only meant to help others but to encourage more people to be helpful too in a sustainable way. America is in the grips of a sore third wank that could lead to an evil society unless they stop immediately!
 
Michael McMahon said:
America isn't only going to be physically and academically disproved but also metaphysically disproved of their gun rights arguments through an increase in crime. Fundamentally evil people who haven't fully abandoned their religion aren't inclined to be as evil as possible out of spiritual respect. Yet if Americans openly portray themselves as indifferent to gun victims then they're not far away from an evil society. Yet criminals in an evil society are no longer metaphysically deterred from being more evil because the victims would be from a collectively evil society. So Americans are wilfully self-harming by granting criminals the same amount of fire-power as law-abiding citizens who in turn are obeying an evil law to begin with. The harsh reality is that good and evil are relative concepts where you could kill someone and technically redeem yourself in the physical world by donating money to save lives in the third world. This is why the concept of doing good is meant to be well-intentioned in a spiritual way rather in just a cold and physical way. That is to say you're not only meant to help others but to encourage more people to be helpful too in a sustainable way. America is in the grips of a sore third wank that could lead to an evil society unless they stop immediately!
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Wow, that is a Kamala level word salad. And means nothing.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Wow, that is a Kamala level word salad. And means nothing.
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A court martial is independent of the civilian court system. As such a militia could enforce gun control even if the local government cannot. A militia by definition complies with the second amendment's right to a well-regulated militia. A well-regulated militia in turn can enforce gun control in a well-regulated way! A militia can be managed privately without government intrusion.

"One of the biggest differences between the military and civilian justice systems is that there are no mistrials. That is because the military is one of the few jurisdictions that allows for split verdicts in criminal trials."
https://www.judges.org/news-and-inf...-military-courts-martial-and-civilian-courts/
 
Michael McMahon said:
A court martial is independent of the civilian court system. As such a militia could enforce gun control even if the local government cannot. A militia by definition complies with the second amendment's right to a well-regulated militia. A well-regulated militia in turn can enforce gun control in a well-regulated way! A militia can be managed privately without government intrusion.

"One of the biggest differences between the military and civilian justice systems is that there are no mistrials. That is because the military is one of the few jurisdictions that allows for split verdicts in criminal trials."
https://www.judges.org/news-and-inf...-military-courts-martial-and-civilian-courts/
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Posse Comitatus. Look it up. Military courts have no standing to enforce laws on civilians.

The militia argument is dead. Being part of a militia is not a prerequisite to keeping or bearing arms.
 
"A further 1,200 military personnel are being deployed to help secure the 2012 Olympics in London following the failure by G4S to provide enough private security guards, the government has said."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jul/24/london-2012-olympics-g4s-military

A militia can function like a private security contractor. As such a town can democratically consent to being disarmed by private security in accordance with American capitalism.
 
Michael McMahon said:
"A further 1,200 military personnel are being deployed to help secure the 2012 Olympics in London following the failure by G4S to provide enough private security guards, the government has said."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jul/24/london-2012-olympics-g4s-military

A militia can function like a private security contractor. As such a town can democratically consent to being disarmed by private security in accordance with American capitalism.
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Dude. Once again you are making zero sense. This article is about active duty UK military being deployed. Different country, different rules, and NOT a militia.
 
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