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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

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What these idiots don't realize is that most people in America are willing to pay an extra 25 cents for their pancakes if it means that people get healthcare. See...most Americans get it...and we also get something that these business fools do not seem to get...and that is, we won't patronize businesses that operate in this way. This guy and the Papajohn's guy are going to learn a lesson in free-market capitalism.
 
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GUYS GREAT NEWS!

Turns out the owner of this Denny's was just making it up! That's a big relief, but let me tell you, this story is a sign of things to come.

Denny's Grand Slam breakfast for $6.99, brought to you by a server who's coughing up blood because he doesn't have health insurance = FREEDOM BABY! Where do you think the red in the red, white and blue came from? When the server coughs blood onto you, he's saying "let's be patriots today, you and I!"

Denny's Grand Slam breakfast for $7.20 brought to you by a "healthy" server who isn't "coughing" up "blood" = SAUL ALINSKY STYLE JIHADIST MARXIST SOCIAL COMMUNISM

Come on, man, paying more for my meal at Denny's? That place is the one last safe place for capitalism, where we pay because it's worth it to make their enormous corporation even more enormous. Wait a second...



Nevermind i guess the Kenyan already got to them PARASITE NATION. Back to Waffle House which I always liked better anyway
 
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Interesting question indeed. If they felt so passionately attached to their own systems' superiority, one would have to ask why so many of them cross the border into this country in order to get access to care. It seems that many of them are voting with their actions if perhaps not out loud .
 
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EMPLOYEES should take their income and provide for their own healthcare. Its pathetic that we continue to dump everyone elses failings at the feet of those that succeed.

Im guessing from your response you DONT think ALL employers should be responsible for ALL their employees? Is that right? Just the successful ones.

If every state in the country wanted to implement their own version of a Massachusetts style healthcare then they by all means should go right ahead and do so. And tax and fund their programs accordingly and NOT dump their debt or fiscal mismanagement on other states or future generations.
 
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Could be, except that the USA is way, way, down on the list of destinations for medical tourism. Those busloads of Canadians coming to the US when "Hillarycare" was being debated? Turns out they were fictional.

Sure, a few wealthy Canadians come here for cosmetic surgeries and the like that they couldn't get readily at home, but, no, the US is not a medical tourism destination for anyone.

Any Canadians ready to answer the question?
 
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Mustachio said:
GUYS GREAT NEWS!

Turns out the owner of this Denny's was just making it up!
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um.... not entirely.


So yes, no surcharge. The consumers don't get screwed - the workers do.
 
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cpwill said:
um.... not entirely.



So yes, no surcharge. The consumers don't get screwed - the workers do.
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I'm sure they'll be devastated to learn that they'll lose their hours working for such a nice man who wants nothing more than to deny them health care coverage in order to make more money.

If you can't treat your employees humanely and insist on limiting their hours to screw them over, you can charge as much or as little as you please, I'll never set foot in your establishment again. Well, Denny's is horrendous garbage, so it's not much of an issue, but this guy is a jerk.
 
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oh rearry?


British Columbia sends patients to Seattle for coronary artery surgery. Bypassing the queue in Canada.

Faced with long waiting lists for cancer treatment, the government of Quebec province, Canada, plans to send patients to the United States at a cost of $US15000 (£9375) each.

A big driver is waiting time periods. Due to government provision, there is a shortage of doctors in single-payer nations far worse than the doctor shortage here in the states.

A hospital survey of five countries (United States, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom and Australia)... found that “waits of six months or more for elective surgeries were reported to occur ‘very often’ or ‘often’ by 26–57 percent of executives in the four non-U.S. countries; only 1 percent of U.S. hospitals reported this. (Half of all Canadian hospitals reported an average waiting time of over six months for a 65-year-old male requiring a routine hip replacement; no American hospital administrators reported waits this long.)

Shona Holmes, for example, had a brain tumor that needed to be removed immediately; and was told that the wait to see the endocrinologist was four months, and the wait to see the neurologist was another six.

It got so bad that the Canadian Supreme Court had to intervene in order to make sure that Canadians could escape their health system, in order to seek necessary care. "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care".

And so on and so forth ad nauseum. And this is before we even get into the issue of medical innovation.


Any Canadians ready to answer the question?
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When asked about their own health care instead of the "health care system," more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared to only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent)
 
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Mustachio said:
I'm sure they'll be devastated to learn that they'll lose their hours working for such a nice man who wants nothing more than to deny them health care coverage in order to make more money to be able to continue to hire them at all.
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Fixed that for you.


I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who truly are economically illiterate enough to suppose that business owners are some kind of magical money tree - that no matter what burden you put on them they can continue to make a system work and profit and grow. Aesop knew what he was talking about.
 
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VanceMack said:
EMPLOYEES should take their income and provide for their own healthcare. Its pathetic that we continue to dump everyone elses failings at the feet of those that succeed.
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My employer doesn't buy me auto insurance! My Rights Are Being Abused!!!
 
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Taxes go up, charities suffer, since less disposable income exists for those that are charitable.
That is something very few on the left are willing to discuss.
 
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First of all, we are talking about two different things so we are basically just talking past one another. I am discussing rights in the traditional sense of those things that belong to each individual by virtue of his being, and you are discussing privileges--what society, the state, or the Great Leader allows you to do. The US was founded upon my understanding of rights which is why I am still here and argue agaisnt what the US is becoming.

Second, Somalia. Really? People who bring Somalia into a discussion of liberty and rights generally have an understanding of neither. There is a difference between limited government--one there to secure our rights--and no government.

Third, prior to Reagan, people werent dying in the streets so you can drop the hyperbole. It is the entitlement culture that you are defending that has caused the emergency room problem in the first place.



But you seem to have a problem with any form of power of the state. So much so that you advocate for letting people die in the streets simply because they don't have their insurance cards on them.
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Not true. The government of a free people has a limited role. The government of an enslaved people has an unlimited role. In a free society, it is the individual that directs his own actions and pursues his own happiness. I am a libertarian because I value liberty and the concept of individual rightrs. To secure these rights, governments are formed among men. Rights pre-exist the state. The state is there to secure them, not violate them. When an armed man breaks into your home and you call the police do you expect them to arrest the intruder? Or do you expect them to look around at your possessions and determine whether or not the intruder should share in what you have? If you chose the former then we agree on the proper role of the state. The difference is that I apply that standard consistently and you do not.
 
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I dont live in Canada, but I suspect the answer would be no. The truth of the matter is that universal health care coverage would "work" better than what we have here in the US now. I say that not as an advocate of socilized medicine but out of the realization that our current system is hopelessly broken. We should either embrace single payer or return it to the free market, but the current mixture of the two is failing everyone.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Our multiple payer system is in deep trouble as well, and far more expensive than is Canada's system. But, the issue was satisfaction (relative that is). Who are the Canadians who would trade their system for one like ours?
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This is a false choice you set up here Ditto...No one disagrees that our system is in need of fixes that make the system better, for more affordable rates. But what you are arguing is that we should abandon our system of health care for a system that is demonstrably not sustainable, and is breaking the bank of countries that already have that system in place, and are trying to move away from it. That is insane, why would a rational person do that?
 
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I'm not sure why a UHC would break the bank, when nations that have such a system pay far and away less than we do. Maybe it's a choice between bad and worse.

Perhaps a system like that of Singapore would serve us better:

 
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While there are no doubt wealthy Canadians who come to the US for health care due to its proximity, America doesn't even make the list of destinations for medical tourism.

The reason is most likely the cost. Why go to where costs are highest in the world?
 
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99% of the time I go to Denny's, I'm drunk anyway. A 5% "idiot tax" would fly under my radar, as I'm rather incapable of noticing that my Moons Over My Hammy costs an extra quarter when it's 3am and I have enough Jack Daniels in my system to knock a horse on his ass.
 
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Kr1ll1n said:
Taxes go up, charities suffer, since less disposable income exists for those that are charitable.
That is something very few on the left are willing to discuss.
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That is because they don't believe in charity.
 
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In bold is where your wrong, it's not because of our proximity, but because of the waiting time and the lack of specialists. Why would the wealthy even come here is they got the same treatment in Canada, it's because they don't.
 
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Born Free said:
In bold is where your wrong, it's not because of our proximity, but because of the waiting time and the lack of specialists. Why would the wealthy even come here is they got the same treatment in Canada, it's because they don't.
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I mean they come to the US instead of Singapore, or one of the other common destinations for medical tourism, because it is much closer.

No doubt, the Canadian system needs work, as does ours. The difference is that ours costs far more than theirs does.
 
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Of course because we provide better care? Again whey does anyone come here for medical treatment, it's because they get treatment now, not 10 months from now. And we have the specialists to provide immediate care now, not 10 months from now. Having access to immediate care would cost more. Now if you want to go to Canada for lower cost and wait 10 months for cancer treatment be my quest.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure why a UHC would break the bank, when nations that have such a system pay far and away less than we do. Maybe it's a choice between bad and worse.

Perhaps a system like that of Singapore would serve us better:
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The population of Singapore is roughly 5 million. We have more than that in our larger cities. How would you extrapolate that to a country of 350 million?
 
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So, now we know the problems with the US system are cost and access, and the problem with the Canadian system is wait times.

A better system would be a universal coverage that requires the patient to pay a portion of the costs. Nothing is free, after all, and the patient needs an incentive to cut costs too.
 
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Costs maybe, 'access'? who? and what does that even mean?
 
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j-mac said:
Costs maybe, 'access'? who? and what does that even mean?
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Does that really have to be explained to you? There are people in this country who just don't get treated because they don't have enough money to pay for it. Oh, sure, they can go to the ER for critical care, but by the time cancer sends you to the ER, it's probably too late to save you.
 
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