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So Moslem make economic boycott against Denmark goods and strong advertising attack against what Denmark do.
ProudAmerican said:The entire planet is under attack from radical Islamic terrorists.
Whats happeneing over this cartoon is a good thing, in that, hopefully more people will wake up and see what Islam is all about.
The next time you hear the term "peaceful Islam" just stop for a moment, and take a look at how they are reacting to a stupid cartoon.
Its not just a "few" radicals folks......its much, much more than that.
Mancunian said:Ban religion!
I'm not being sarcastic. Just thing of all the problems that it will solve!
Don't think it'll catch on though - some people just won't listen:lol:
Herophant said:This isn’t a bloody Islam thing, its religions fault. The Danish newspaper that started this refused to print similar cartoons of Jesus. Furthermore the small newspaper that brought Norway in to this -which I newer heard of before - argued for the resurrection of an old Norwegian blasphemy law – in correlation with an theatre play were god was portrayed as a smoking black man.
Islamic law bans any depiction of the prophet, and Muslims consider likenesses of Mohammed blasphemous.
There is no Quranic injunction against images, whether of Muhammad or anyone else...the claim that a ban on images is "an absolute principle of Islam" is purely political.
A fatwa was issued by Yussuf al-Qaradawi, a Brotherhood sheikh with his own program on al-Jazeera. Not to be left behind, the Brotherhood's rivals, Hizb al-Tahrir al-Islami (Islamic Liberation Party) and the Movement of the Exiles (Ghuraba), joined the fray. Believing that there might be something in it for themselves, the Syrian Baathist leaders abandoned their party's 60-year-old secular pretensions and organized attacks on the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus and Beirut.
The spontaneous appearance over the past few days of dozens of Danish flags ready for the burning raises further questions about where the flags came from.
A lot of this "spontaneity" was clearly staged. The cartoons gained a wider audience when radical Danish clerics toured the Middle East last month, showing the offending cartoons to the heads of several of the major Islamist groups in the region. Just in case the originals weren't offensive enough, the clerics also supplied a few of their own cartoons, ever more inflammatory, and said they sprang from the pens of the infidels. One of the clerics, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Ladan, explained in an interview that the tour was meant to "internationalize this issue." The clerics told their hosts that Muslims do not have the right to build mosques in Denmark, and repeated other ridiculous lies to foment discord and ridicule the Danish government.
The radical clerics in Denmark have succeeded, a fact pundits and analysts on both sides have largely missed. The focus has been on the assault on freedom of expression in the name of religious tolerance, as it should be, but that was not what Abu Ladan and his travelers had in mind when they toured the Middle East. They wanted to create a groundswell of discontent among Muslims in Europe, put pressure on Denmark -- and other nations -- to abide by sharia law and to build a sympathetic base for further terrorist attacks. The placards of British Muslims, demanding more "7/7s," a reference to the London subway bombings on July 7, went straight to the point of the clerics' Middle East tour. This was an exercise in agitprop to further the goals of Islamofascism, and it worked.
Calm2Chaos said:Do you have other examples of similar situations with other religous icons.????????????????????????????????? I can't think of any other religion that has gone the destroy kil route in these cases... Only one, so it would seem to defenitly be a Islam thing and not just a religious thing
The difference here is that you are describing the violence the Christians did hundreds of years ago...Herophant said:Well it’s all a question of these days. If we want to look at a religion we can’t confine our investigation to a limited period. Christians have done terrible acts in the name of their god; the Crusades, the inquisition, the justification of colonisation and more. Remember than once Islam was a voice of toleration in comparison with Christianity. The notion that “today” Christianity is somehow better may be true, but that has nothing to do with religion. The western world has a truly wonderful thing called secularisation, were the idea that others might not burn in hell for not sharing your views exist… I claim that that is a basis for increasing respect in a secular community.
Christians complain about their values being desecrated all the time, the explanation for them not using violence in the same extent that their Muslim counterparts is less religion not more….
Still violence on homosexuals and pro-choice people persists. What logical reason is there to kill a man that loves another man? The despicable book of crimes that is the bible sadly still infects people minds as of today…
cnredd said:The difference here is that you are describing the violence the Christians did hundreds of years ago...
And keep in mind that when you say "Christians", you are implying that is was consensual throughout the whole religion...Let me ask you...
Without CNN, Al-Jazeera, The New York Times, and all of the media, what was the ACTUAL percentage of Christians throughout the world that even KNEW the crusades were going on?...How many media outlets did they have to voice any dissent to this?...
As for the "violence" you speak of today, you are closing your eyes to the vast majority of Christians that do not condone the bahavior of these idiots...To generalize all for the acts of individuals is laughable...
I guess you think all black people should deserve death because of Tookie Williams?...:roll:
Herophant said:There aint no difference did you read my post?
The crusades were pretty well known. Spread through the church the idea of salvation for "defending" christianity were widespread.
Yes generalisation is bad. Neverhteless if one is to talk about muslims we can also talk about christians. Not every muslim is behind the riots..... My main point however is this being a religion thing not a Islam thing.
Oh really?...Herophant said:There aint no difference did you read my post?
The crusades were pretty well known. Spread through the church the idea of salvation for "defending" christianity were widespread.
Yes generalisation is bad. Neverhteless if one is to talk about muslims we can also talk about christians. Not every muslim is behind the riots..... My main point however is this being a religion thing not a Islam thing.
sandman said:I thing that we had respect the other holy believed before we asked from the other respect our holy believed ,but Denmark freedom of the press did not do that with Moslems holy believed ,it refuse asked the forgiveness about what it done ,all what it do asking from Moslems respect it holy freedom of the press
So Moslem make economic boycott against Denmark goods and strong advertising attack against what Denmark do.
this is not the end of the story as I thing what Denmark primer give Islamic terror organization more than one reason to do terror action one of that reason is to be more popularity and al-Qaida one of that organization ,
but no one know when , where or how it well do it action some forecast few day because the feeling is to hot and this give it more popularity ,so Denmark must be more wakeup, and it must understand that it craze forget the many malisons of dollar the Denmark companies in advertising for its productions in the past years
cnredd said:Oh really?...
Please describe for me how a farming family in the south of France would know...or even give a rat's ass...about Rome sending forth an army to take back the Holy Land...
Show me how this was "pretty well known"...
Were they around the plasma TV watching CNN?...
Believe me...Trajan Octavian Titus said:Well the crusades were pretty well known the Pope sent word to all his churches in Europe to call upon volunteers and the church back then is basically the equivalent to the media now.
However, that is neither here nor there due to the fact that we have given up our dark age past through the age of enlightenment though the same has not occurred in the Middle East they're still living in the past we have philisophically progressed they haven't.
cnredd said:Believe me...
I haven't lost sight of the accusation that Christians were wrong 800 years ago, so it's somehow OK for Islam to be wrong now...
Herophant said:Of-course its not ok. But we have to face the fact that this isnt a Islam thing, its a religion thing. The goal should be to secularise the rest of the world. The sooner people forget the idea that god wants them to defend stupid ideals based on faith rather than reason the better...
Trajan Octavian Titus said:It's not a religious thing it's a progress thing.
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