Dems weak, yes they are, and what is the reason?

[WisconIndependent]

THe polls show that the Dems are the weakest they have ever been and many in the party say the same. They say they are not doing enough to stop Trump and his drive toward whatever you want to call his total control. Maybe that is because the GOP controls the House, The Senate, the executive branch and even the SCOTUS. I often wonder exactly what the Dems can do and what has lead to this total control of our government by the GOP. Maybe it is the fact that many of the Dems stayed home in the last election because the party did not give them exactly what they wanted as liberal policies, or even voted for Trump in hopes of getting eggs and gas cheaper? This happened while the GOP and MAGA stood behind Trump and the GOP candidates even though they might not had liked all that Trump said would and has happened? I see the Dems party being as each member saying give me everything I want, or I will stay home party and they did. Until the Dems get totally behind their candidates in local, state and national elections, even when they have differences of opinions on what is really important to winning, then they will continue to be the weak party even if they win back control on a temp basis in the future.

 

[ataraxia]

They are out of touch with the American electorate. They need to get more openly and proudly bigoted and anti-science if they expect to win another election in this country. That's just where the American people are these days.

 

[iliveonramen]

I think a lot of Dems are mad that the party hasn't done anything to stop Trump. They caved on funding the government with a few concessions and Republicans essentially wiped those concessions out after the deal was done.

I think there's a lot of annoyance as well because Democrats have taken both houses and the White House with very large majorities, yet can't get shit done, or have to compromise away half of what they want. Republicans have a very slim House majority and do not have 60 votes in the Senate and they are willing to do anything to get their stuff done.

Then there's the temperament. Trump poses a large risk to democracy. He's claimed he won elections he didn't and constantly pushes what is acceptable. The response is Schumer talking about how he works out at the gym with Republicans and they'll come around, or letters to the white house. Just stop...you're not the right man for this moment. These wanna be strongmen are able to take over because the more run of the mill politicians wring their hands saying "you're not supposed to do that".

I think those are the reasons they are seen as weak to the point their own voters can't stand them.

 

[Irredentist]

THe polls show that the Dems are the weakest they have ever been and many in the party say the same. They say they are not doing enough to stop Trump and his drive toward whatever you want to call his total control. Maybe that is because the GOP controls the House, The Senate, the executive branch and even the SCOTUS. I often wonder exactly what the Dems can do and what has lead to this total control of our government by the GOP. Maybe it is the fact that many of the Dems stayed home in the last election because the party did not give them exactly what they wanted as liberal policies, or even voted for Trump in hopes of getting eggs and gas cheaper? This happened while the GOP and MAGA stood behind Trump and the GOP candidates even though they might not had liked all that Trump said would and has happened? I see the Dems party being as each member saying give me everything I want, or I will stay home party and they did. Until the Dems get totally behind their candidates in local, state and national elections, even when they have differences of opinions on what is really important to winning, then they will continue to be the weak party even if they win back control on a temp basis in the future.

Dems should just go away tbh. There's a handful of younger Democrats who know what they stand for. The rest of them are useless. As a party, they aren't worth supporting anymore.

 

[Michael Cole]

Maybe Democrats have become the aggrieved?

Of course they can't do anything. They can begin to campaign by presenting agendas, but it's still early.

Sadly, I think the Democrats want someone like Trump. Fight fight fight. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to be based on reality. Just get mad at something, and fight fight fight. Post #2 is closer to reality than we think. I hate it.

Lord help us.

 

[ASHES]

Identity politics has fractured them into so many voices nobody knows what is what or how to prioritize issues without that getting in the way. Not that there is no value to our identities, just that our personal identities can't be the nexus of everyone's politics.

 

[Callen]

Personally I think the entire thing is overblown. It is true the Dems numbers are way down but it is Dems that are ticked with Dems because they don't perceive them as fighting hard enough.

The Dems hopefully learned something last go 'round about the medium for getting their message out and some hard lessons on talking to the people not at them. It's very hard to get your message out when you are the minority and when the guy in the WH totally dominates the news cycle but we see signs of that changing as the Dems talk loudly and energetically about this crap going on in TX. The Dems need to have a blended message , a mix of anti Trump policies and actions and their positive policies focused on people. I am confident we are going to see a cohesive and confident Democratic party as 2026 approaches.

Even though their numbers are in the tank voter enthusiasm amongst Dems is very high, much higher than the GOP so that tells me that the Dems are going to have a strong turnout in 2026.

 

[element94]

Now that one political party (Republican) has proven to be criminal and corrupt, the political party system should be abolished in the U.S.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I agree that it's because Dems are angry at leadership for not doing much, if anything at all, to stop Taco's increasingly crazy actions.

And unlike the GOP, we're "allowed" to take our leaders to task when we're pissed. We aren't forced to walk in lockstep. So if we're pissed at our leadership we're gonna get loud. We are 100% going to call them on it.

 

[Chomsky]

THe polls show that the Dems are the weakest they have ever been and many in the party say the same. They say they are not doing enough to stop Trump and his drive toward whatever you want to call his total control. Maybe that is because the GOP controls the House, The Senate, the executive branch and even the SCOTUS. I often wonder exactly what the Dems can do and what has lead to this total control of our government by the GOP. Maybe it is the fact that many of the Dems stayed home in the last election because the party did not give them exactly what they wanted as liberal policies, or even voted for Trump in hopes of getting eggs and gas cheaper? This happened while the GOP and MAGA stood behind Trump and the GOP candidates even though they might not had liked all that Trump said would and has happened? I see the Dems party being as each member saying give me everything I want, or I will stay home party and they did. Until the Dems get totally behind their candidates in local, state and national elections, even when they have differences of opinions on what is really important to winning, then they will continue to be the weak party even if they win back control on a temp basis in the future.

In terms of the Midterms though, whatever they're doing seems to be working. I've been watching the Dem Midterms' lead slowly widening recently.

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[Chomsky]

I think a lot of Dems are mad that the party hasn't done anything to stop Trump. They caved on funding the government with a few concessions and Republicans essentially wiped those concessions out after the deal was done.

I think there's a lot of annoyance as well because Democrats have taken both houses and the White House with very large majorities, yet can't get shit done, or have to compromise away half of what they want. Republicans have a very slim House majority and do not have 60 votes in the Senate and they are willing to do anything to get their stuff done.

Then there's the temperament. Trump poses a large risk to democracy. He's claimed he won elections he didn't and constantly pushes what is acceptable. The response is Schumer talking about how he works out at the gym with Republicans and they'll come around, or letters to the white house. Just stop...you're not the right man for this moment. These wanna be strongmen are able to take over because the more run of the mill politicians wring their hands saying "you're not supposed to do that".

I think those are the reasons they are seen as weak to the point their own voters can't stand them.

Exactly. Otherwise, why would Dems lead in Midterms' polling?

 

[Chomsky]

Maybe Democrats have become the aggrieved?

Of course they can't do anything. They can begin to campaign by presenting agendas, but it's still early.

Sadly, I think the Democrats want someone like Trump. Fight fight fight.

It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to be based on reality. Just get mad at something, and fight fight fight. Post #2 is closer to reality than we think. I hate it.

Lord help us.

I think Pritzker is stepping-up to fill that roll.

For example . . .

Here:

(The Hill) Pritzker says Texas Democrats who fled state will be protected amid arrest threats

 

[Chomsky]

Personally I think the entire thing is overblown. It is true the Dems numbers are way down but it is Dems that are ticked with Dems because they don't perceive them as fighting hard enough.

The Dems hopefully learned something last go 'round about the medium for getting their message out and some hard lessons on talking to the people not at them. It's very hard to get your message out when you are the minority and when the guy in the WH totally dominates the news cycle but we see signs of that changing as the Dems talk loudly and energetically about this crap going on in TX. The Dems need to have a blended message , a mix of anti Trump policies and actions and their positive policies focused on people. I am confident we are going to see a cohesive and confident Democratic party as 2026 approaches.

Even though their numbers are in the tank

voter enthusiasm amongst Dems is very high, much higher than the GOP so that tells me that the Dems are going to have a strong turnout in 2026.

I believe the bolded is displayed by the Dem's current growing Midterm Generic Ballot polling advantage . . .

 

[Surrealistik]

THe polls show that the Dems are the weakest they have ever been and many in the party say the same. They say they are not doing enough to stop Trump and his drive toward whatever you want to call his total control. Maybe that is because the GOP controls the House, The Senate, the executive branch and even the SCOTUS. I often wonder exactly what the Dems can do and what has lead to this total control of our government by the GOP. Maybe it is the fact that many of the Dems stayed home in the last election because the party did not give them exactly what they wanted as liberal policies, or even voted for Trump in hopes of getting eggs and gas cheaper? This happened while the GOP and MAGA stood behind Trump and the GOP candidates even though they might not had liked all that Trump said would and has happened? I see the Dems party being as each member saying give me everything I want, or I will stay home party and they did. Until the Dems get totally behind their candidates in local, state and national elections, even when they have differences of opinions on what is really important to winning, then they will continue to be the weak party even if they win back control on a temp basis in the future.

What @iliveonramen said largely.

Democrats, as a party under moderate leadership, have repeatedly proven themselves to be feckless, cowardly and chronically unambitious, fatally obsessed with decorum, bipartisanship and propriety, stubbornly if not moronically naïve, and all too happy to take the high road to hell and squander majorities next to Republicans who will do just about anything to enact their policy goals, even with incredibly narrow control.

Also, identity politics as a key point of Democrat failure is a red herring, at least recently despite some inaccurate claims to the contrary. As we can clearly see per all the polling data that existed before, during and after the 2024 election, Kamala lost, not due to being terminally woke, but because, despite about a week of saying how she was going to go after rent fixing, greedflation, uncompetitive markets/industries and so on, all of which rapidly syncopated to silence and literature buried in the depths of her campaign website, she ultimately did nothing to address or speak to the cost of living crisis that was by far at the fore of American concerns both then and now. Where identity politics does truly exist as a point of failure for Dems, it is so when it is used as a performative smokescreen to pretend at leftism while at best sandbagging on meaningful legislation heavily favoured by its constituents (free public college/trade schools, higher taxes on the rich, drug price negotiations, universal healthcare, minimizing money in politics, empowering unions, affordable housing, higher minimum wage, and so on), presumably because this would be harmful to the interests of its major donors.

Notably nearly 2/3rds of Democrats believe that the old guard leadership, consisting about exclusively of often self-described 'moderate' Democrats, should be replaced, with just under 1/4th opting to retain them.

 

[Helix]

They act like they still think that the traditional rules will be reinstated.

 

[Peacenik]

The RW disinformation machine controls rumors in the USA. If the RW wants there to be a perception that the Democratic party is dead, it is because they are afraid Democrats will win in 2026.

 

[Metric Mouse]

I think Pritzker is stepping-up to fill that roll.

For example . . .

Here:

(The Hill) Pritzker says Texas Democrats who fled state will be protected amid arrest threats

A billionaire hotel owner ordering aids to book hotels for political purposes...

Where have we seen this before?

 

[pedex]

After Russia Russia Russia. Immigration. Covid. And pursuing an elected POTUS like no other in history somebody actually has to ask?

Wow.

 

[joluoto]

Both parties are dead. One has turned away from it's values and become nothing but an engine for an authoritarian regime, while the other has collapsed into panic, infighting and cowardice and has lost all touch with the electorate. Something new will rise, but it will rise after years of strife.

 

[dseag2]

Democrats need a leader and voice of the party... plain and simple. Only then can they develop some type of consistent message. Many RePubes in Washington don't like what Trump stands for but they still stand behind him... right or wrong... because he holds power. Dems are all over the board.

When they do develop a message, it needs to address kitchen table issues that are on the minds of the Average Joe, not fringe issues that don't affect 98% of the population. Democrats have been too mealy-mouthed for too long. I've heard some of the top members in their party say it is better to have "multiple leaders" because they don't want to hurt each others' fee fees. Looks like they are finally figuring it out.

WASHINGTON, June 19 (Reuters) - Democrats want new leaders for their party, which many feel isn't focusing enough on economic issues and is over-emphasizing issues like transgender rights and electric vehicles, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found.
The poll identified a deep disconnect between what Democrats say their priorities are and the issues they believe party leaders care about most ahead of next year's midterm elections, when they hope to crack Republican control of Congress. They see their elected officials as not focused on helping families make ends meet and reducing corporate influence.

Democrat Kamala Harris’ November loss to Republican Donald Trump has left the party rudderless and sparked a round of soul-searching about the path forward. The poll shows that party leaders have work to do in recruiting candidates for Congress in 2026 -- and for the White House in 2028.
Some 62% of self-identified Democrats in the poll agreed with a statement that "the leadership of the Democratic Party should be replaced with new people." Only 24% disagreed and the rest said they weren't sure or didn't answer.

Exclusive: Democrats want new leaders, focus on pocketbook issues, Reuters/Ipsos poll finds

The poll identified a deep disconnect between what Democrats say their priorities are and the issues they believe party leaders care about most ahead of next year's midterm elections, when they hope to crack Republican control of Congress

www.reuters.com

 

[markdc]

THe polls show that the Dems are the weakest they have ever been and many in the party say the same. They say they are not doing enough to stop Trump and his drive toward whatever you want to call his total control. Maybe that is because the GOP controls the House, The Senate, the executive branch and even the SCOTUS. I often wonder exactly what the Dems can do and what has lead to this total control of our government by the GOP. Maybe it is the fact that many of the Dems stayed home in the last election because the party did not give them exactly what they wanted as liberal policies, or even voted for Trump in hopes of getting eggs and gas cheaper? This happened while the GOP and MAGA stood behind Trump and the GOP candidates even though they might not had liked all that Trump said would and has happened? I see the Dems party being as each member saying give me everything I want, or I will stay home party and they did. Until the Dems get totally behind their candidates in local, state and national elections, even when they have differences of opinions on what is really important to winning, then they will continue to be the weak party even if they win back control on a temp basis in the future.

One of the reasons why Democrats are so weak politically is because they’re associated in the popular mind with the Establishment, which is disliked by wide swaths of the populace right now.

Mark

 

[Luce]

One of the reasons why Democrats are so weak politically is because they’re associated in the popular mind with the Establishment, which is disliked by wide swaths of the populace right now.

Mark

Which is weird, because MAGA is literally the establishment right now. By every definition.

 

[ElChupacabra]

One of the reasons why Democrats are so weak politically is because they’re associated in the popular mind with the Establishment, which is disliked by wide swaths of the populace right now.

Mark

If that's the case then people are idiots, because once a candidate becomes part of the government, that politician and their party become the "establishment".

 

[ElChupacabra]

Which is weird, because MAGA is literally the establishment right now. By every definition.

Beat me to it!

 

[Luce]

Beat me to it!

Great minds, etc.