Dems seem to be shadowboxing just for show..

[sKiTzo]

(Most of this is just questions - I'm hoping someone can shed some light...)

I read the transcript and I just don't see where the impeachable offense is. Biden is guilty because he's on video bragging about doing the same thing that they are trying to impeach Trump for. The difference is Biden did it to keep his son from being investigated for corruption, while Trump did it to probe the related corruption that Biden himself has already admitted to. So what if it is his opponent in the upcoming election? I don't get this thing where suddenly it's a crime to find dirt on an opponent instead of the dirt of the opponent being the crime. How does this make any sense?

We exchange information with foreign intelligence all the time. So, obviously, why is it okay for Biden to do what he did for nefarious reasons but "impeachable" for the President to do what he did. Shouldn't he have the right to show that they are guilty of the same thing he is being accused of? He asked the President of another country if he had any information about corruption against the US that took place in that country. Isn't that what he's supposed to do? Isn't it within the parameters of his job as President to make inquiries to whomever he pleases, if necessary, especially since his own intelligence agencies are plotting against him?

 

[GhostlyJoe]

(Most of this is just questions - I'm hoping someone can shed some light...)

I read the transcript and I just don't see where the impeachable offense is. Biden is guilty because he's on video bragging about doing the same thing that they are trying to impeach Trump for. The difference is Biden did it to keep his son from being investigated for corruption, while Trump did it to probe the related corruption that Biden himself has already admitted to. So what if it is his opponent in the upcoming election? I don't get this thing where suddenly it's a crime to find dirt on an opponent instead of the dirt of the opponent being the crime. How does this make any sense?

We exchange information with foreign intelligence all the time. So, obviously, why is it okay for Biden to do what he did for nefarious reasons but "impeachable" for the President to do what he did. Shouldn't he have the right to show that they are guilty of the same thing he is being accused of? He asked the President of another country if he had any information about corruption against the US that took place in that country. Isn't that what he's supposed to do? Isn't it within the parameters of his job as President to make inquiries to whomever he pleases, if necessary, especially since his own intelligence agencies are plotting against him?

Check this out:

Biden stinks to high heaven. There's plenty of corruption to go around.

 

[chuckiechan]

(Most of this is just questions - I'm hoping someone can shed some light...)

I read the transcript and I just don't see where the impeachable offense is. Biden is guilty because he's on video bragging about doing the same thing that they are trying to impeach Trump for. The difference is Biden did it to keep his son from being investigated for corruption, while Trump did it to probe the related corruption that Biden himself has already admitted to. So what if it is his opponent in the upcoming election? I don't get this thing where suddenly it's a crime to find dirt on an opponent instead of the dirt of the opponent being the crime. How does this make any sense?

We exchange information with foreign intelligence all the time. So, obviously, why is it okay for Biden to do what he did for nefarious reasons but "impeachable" for the President to do what he did. Shouldn't he have the right to show that they are guilty of the same thing he is being accused of? He asked the President of another country if he had any information about corruption against the US that took place in that country. Isn't that what he's supposed to do? Isn't it within the parameters of his job as President to make inquiries to whomever he pleases, if necessary, especially since his own intelligence agencies are plotting against him?

It’s not just Biden. Manafort is dumping his contact list to agent Durham. DoJ is all over Ukraine. During the Obama admin, fat cat democrats were cutting deals with the oligarchs promising to grease the skids with the administration. And most of the problematic growth period of China was during the Obama administration, a d the fat cats were making deals there, too.

Ukraine was a whorehouse of corruption and connected players were all over it.

 

[HumblePi]

(Most of this is just questions - I'm hoping someone can shed some light...)

I read the transcript and I just don't see where the impeachable offense is. Biden is guilty because he's on video bragging about doing the same thing that they are trying to impeach Trump for. The difference is Biden did it to keep his son from being investigated for corruption, while Trump did it to probe the related corruption that Biden himself has already admitted to. So what if it is his opponent in the upcoming election? I don't get this thing where suddenly it's a crime to find dirt on an opponent instead of the dirt of the opponent being the crime. How does this make any sense?

We exchange information with foreign intelligence all the time. So, obviously, why is it okay for Biden to do what he did for nefarious reasons but "impeachable" for the President to do what he did. Shouldn't he have the right to show that they are guilty of the same thing he is being accused of? He asked the President of another country if he had any information about corruption against the US that took place in that country. Isn't that what he's supposed to do? Isn't it within the parameters of his job as President to make inquiries to whomever he pleases, if necessary, especially since his own intelligence agencies are plotting against him?

Of course, we share intelligence with our allies all the time. This is not even close to that. The Five Eyes, is an English speaking intelligence alliance between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are parties to a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.

Human intelligence, signal intelligence, security intelligence, and Geo intelligence are shared in cooperation with the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI6, NSA, DDIS, CSE and other unilateral intelligence agencies all over the world. So what did the 'five eyes' so, what have they done? Because of the surveillance of 'five eyes', the U.S. learned the identities of all of the 19 men who committed the World Trade Center attacks. Because of the 'five eyes' we have countered threats arising from foreign activities of China as well as Russia. A shared effort of the Five Eyes nations in "focused cooperation" on computer network exploitation with Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and Turkey.

It should be needless to say that preserving, protecting and continuing our cooperation with these other nations is absolutely vital, not only to the U.S. but to the entire world. Why anyone in this country cannot understand how it's dangerous to market to other countries, not only to our allies but to our adversaries such as China and Russia, to interfere and help hurt an American presidential candidate in order to benefit the other, is nothing less than treason in my opinion. Our allies will stop sharing intelligence and our adversaries will insist that they be compensated in some way that's beneficial for them but damaging for this country.

 

[chuckiechan]

Of course, we share intelligence with our allies all the time. This is not even close to that. The Five Eyes, is an English speaking intelligence alliance between Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are parties to a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.

Human intelligence, signal intelligence, security intelligence, and Geo intelligence are shared in cooperation with the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI6, NSA, DDIS, CSE and other unilateral intelligence agencies all over the world. So what did the 'five eyes' so, what have they done? Because of the surveillance of 'five eyes', the U.S. learned the identities of all of the 19 men who committed the World Trade Center attacks. Because of the 'five eyes' we have countered threats arising from foreign activities of China as well as Russia. A shared effort of the Five Eyes nations in "focused cooperation" on computer network exploitation with Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and Turkey.

It should be needless to say that preserving, protecting and continuing our cooperation with these other nations is absolutely vital, not only to the U.S. but to the entire world. Why anyone in this country cannot understand how it's dangerous to market to other countries, not only to our allies but to our adversaries such as China and Russia, to interfere and help hurt an American presidential candidate in order to benefit the other, is nothing less than treason in my opinion. Our allies will stop sharing intelligence and our adversaries will insist that they be compensated in some way that's beneficial for them but damaging for this country.

It’s nothing personal. It’s about Biden graft in Ukraine and China. Running for office is not a “get out of jail card”.

You guys can whistle past the grave yard and pretend this doesn’t count, but you are very wrong.

 

[HumblePi]

It’s nothing personal. It’s about Biden graft in Ukraine and China. Running for office is not a “get out of jail card”.

You guys can whistle past the grave yard and pretend this doesn’t count, but you are very wrong.

Pay attention to this, just for a minute. I'll be brief. This isn't really about Joe Biden or Hunter Biden. Truthfully, I don't care what happens to either of them. Even if Joe Biden quit the race tomorrow, I could care less.

The objective, the real objective is to exonerate Russia, take the blame off them entirely for hacking our election. Please, just give that some thought. Think it through. Why would that be a good thing for both Putin and Trump?

 

[chuckiechan]

Pay attention to this, just for a minute. I'll be brief. This isn't really about Joe Biden or Hunter Biden. Truthfully, I don't care what happens to either of them. Even if Joe Biden quit the race tomorrow, I could care less.

The objective, the real objective is to exonerate Russia, take the blame off them entirely for hacking our election. Please, just give that some thought. Think it through. Why would that be a good thing for both Putin and Trump?

You might have an argument in some quarters if it were not for Barr and Durham going over seas seeking the genesis of the Russia hoax, working with other governments.

Personally, I would be in favor of a bipartisan, neutral special investigator into all things Ukraine. As I’ve said before its a whorehouse of graft over there, and it’s our tax money that they are all stealing.

 

[HumblePi]

You might have an argument in some quarters if it were not for Barr and Durham going over seas seeking the genesis of the Russia hoax, working with other governments.

Personally, I would be in favor of a bipartisan, neutral special investigator into all things Ukraine. As I’ve said before its a whorehouse of graft over there, and it’s our tax money that they are all stealing.

Is it your contention that because Bill Barr and John Durham, (who I actually trust),are working with other governments seeking 'the genesis of the Russia hoax' are doing the work that the Mueller investigation couldn't do in over 2 years? Will they be able to process all the information, investigate every one of the Russian trolls and Russian oligarchs that they had? Were the 191 criminal charges, the 35 people and companies charge, the 6 guilty pleas, the 3 Americans sentenced to prison and the 13 Russian Nationals and 12 Russian military officers indicted on conspiracy to defraud the United States all a just an expensive 'hoax' in your opinion?

Or maybe Barr is Trump's co-conspirator and partner in crime trying to fool people just like you that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

 

[chuckiechan]

Is it your contention that because Bill Barr and John Durham, (who I actually trust),are working with other governments seeking 'the genesis of the Russia hoax' are doing the work that the Mueller investigation couldn't do in over 2 years? Will they be able to process all the information, investigate every one of the Russian trolls and Russian oligarchs that they had? Were the 191 criminal charges, the 35 people and companies charge, the 6 guilty pleas, the 3 Americans sentenced to prison and the 13 Russian Nationals and 12 Russian military officers indicted on conspiracy to defraud the United States all a just an expensive 'hoax' in your opinion?

Or maybe Barr is Trump's co-conspirator and partner in crime trying to fool people just like you that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Just try to keep an open mind.

 

[HumblePi]

Just try to keep an open mind.

Are you?

 

[sKiTzo]

Check this out:

Biden stinks to high heaven. There's plenty of corruption to go around.

Wow. I read the whole thing. They're scandalous as they come!

 

[Jay59]

Wow. I read the whole thing. They're scandalous as they come!

But it's been discredited. Just ask half the posters around here.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

Wow. I read the whole thing. They're scandalous as they come!

What I think the article really reveals is the general swampiness of Beltway politics -- international favor trading, shady solicitations, etc. The truth is, that as long you're fishing in any politician's pond, you're going to catch something. Trump does not appear to be above this. But with Trump, there is a strange sort of arrogant transparency -- from Twitter to Mar-A-Lago, his brazen behavior is a spectacle that draws lots of hooks in the water.

 

[sKiTzo]

It’s nothing personal. It’s about Biden graft in Ukraine and China. Running for office is not a “get out of jail card”.

You guys can whistle past the grave yard and pretend this doesn’t count, but you are very wrong.

I was trying to find the words and you provided them. I don't get how somebody who is running for president that has a scandalous past is protected by a law that jails people who expose the dirt? How about just don't have the dirt then nobody can expose you...

 

[sKiTzo]

Pay attention to this, just for a minute. I'll be brief. This isn't really about Joe Biden or Hunter Biden. Truthfully, I don't care what happens to either of them. Even if Joe Biden quit the race tomorrow, I could care less.

The objective, the real objective is to exonerate Russia, take the blame off them entirely for hacking our election. Please, just give that some thought. Think it through. Why would that be a good thing for both Putin and Trump?

That makes perfect sense although I'm sure we would still like to see Biden face some consequences or at least some acknowledgement (by the media) of his wrongdoings. That of course will never happen. The media just keeps stirring the one-sided pot and trying to divide the people. That has been a real problem for a long time now. How does a country deal with a rogue media that is conspiring in such a way without messing with the first amendment? Many have woken up to the fact that our news channels have become political opinion shows but a lot of people are duped and still trust these propaganda networks wholeheartedly.

 

[sKiTzo]

But it's been discredited. Just ask half the posters around here.

I know, but then there's the golf photograph discrediting the discredit and it just goes on from there. Where it stops nobody knows!

 

[sKiTzo]

What I think the article really reveals is the general swampiness of Beltway politics -- international favor trading, shady solicitations, etc. The truth is, that as long you're fishing in any politician's pond, you're going to catch something. Trump does not appear to be above this. But with Trump, there is a strange sort of arrogant transparency -- from Twitter to Mar-A-Lago, his brazen behavior is a spectacle that draws lots of hooks in the water.

Trump wasn't a politician so he doesn't know how to "act" like one. In other words, he's not a phony.

 

[HumblePi]

That makes perfect sense although I'm sure we would still like to see Biden face some consequences or at least some acknowledgement (by the media) of his wrongdoings. That of course will never happen. The media just keeps stirring the one-sided pot and trying to divide the people. That has been a real problem for a long time now. How does a country deal with a rogue media that is conspiring in such a way without messing with the first amendment? Many have woken up to the fact that our news channels have become political opinion shows but a lot of people are duped and still trust these propaganda networks wholeheartedly.

'rogue media' ? Would you refer to the BBC or AlJazeera or CBS, NBC, ABC, Reuter's, Bloomberg included in your blanket generalization as 'rogue media' ?

 

[Jay59]

I know, but then there's the golf photograph discrediting the discredit and it just goes on from there. Where it stops nobody knows!

It stops in history books a couple centuries from now.

I wonder if history will remember Trump as good President or a great one. It seems one or the other is certain. Personality fades, but accomplishments endure. Trump is very accomplished.

'rogue media' ? Would you refer to the BBC or AlJazeera or CBS, NBC, ABC, Reuter's, Bloomberg included in your blanket generalization as 'rogue media' ?

Of course, except for Reuters. Who wouldn't?

 

[Lutherf]

(Most of this is just questions - I'm hoping someone can shed some light...)

I read the transcript and I just don't see where the impeachable offense is. Biden is guilty because he's on video bragging about doing the same thing that they are trying to impeach Trump for. The difference is Biden did it to keep his son from being investigated for corruption, while Trump did it to probe the related corruption that Biden himself has already admitted to. So what if it is his opponent in the upcoming election? I don't get this thing where suddenly it's a crime to find dirt on an opponent instead of the dirt of the opponent being the crime. How does this make any sense?

We exchange information with foreign intelligence all the time. So, obviously, why is it okay for Biden to do what he did for nefarious reasons but "impeachable" for the President to do what he did. Shouldn't he have the right to show that they are guilty of the same thing he is being accused of? He asked the President of another country if he had any information about corruption against the US that took place in that country. Isn't that what he's supposed to do? Isn't it within the parameters of his job as President to make inquiries to whomever he pleases, if necessary, especially since his own intelligence agencies are plotting against him?

The Democrats have decided that they don't really need a crime. As far as they're concerned the House gets to decide what "high crimes and misdemeanors" means therefore absolutely anything can be considered to be an impeachable offense.

Here's the deal, Democrats are primarily interested in creating and promoting a media narrative that shows Trump as being corrupt. They are also interested in obstructing anything and everything he is tying to get done. The way they have chosen to go about that is to set up this "impeachment inquiry" whereby they get to subpoena everyone and everything they want to then go to the press and complain that everyone they subpoenaed is obstructing the investigation because they too are corrupt. They won't actually vote on impeachment because if they do then Republicans also get subpoena power and that might mess up their narrative.

If you ask me, I think they're concerned that this whole "collusion" thing is going to expose DECADES of establishment corruption involving both parties and, in all probability, foreign states too. I think their real concern is that the whole ****house is going to burn down and that their party is going to take the blame because they were the last ones with the ball when things went south.

 

[Lutherf]

Check this out:

Biden stinks to high heaven. There's plenty of corruption to go around.

Fascinating. That's been out sine August and I have neither seen nor heard of it. I skimmed a bit but it's definitely going to require an additional read.

 

[Lutherf]

Pay attention to this, just for a minute. I'll be brief. This isn't really about Joe Biden or Hunter Biden. Truthfully, I don't care what happens to either of them. Even if Joe Biden quit the race tomorrow, I could care less.

The objective, the real objective is to exonerate Russia, take the blame off them entirely for hacking our election. Please, just give that some thought. Think it through. Why would that be a good thing for both Putin and Trump?

While we think about that how about you consider that just maybe Democrats decided to cozy up to Ukraine after helping them get rid of Yanukovych and liked the way he helped all the "beautiful people" get rich. Maybe you should consider that those cozy relationships with Poroshenko provided the Democrats with "dirt" on a certain presidential candidate and/or people associated with him and made a really convenient story to tell about how that candidate supported Russia over Ukraine. Maybe people are now concerned that if Rudy or Barr or Durham or somebody digs too deeply into Ukraine they'll find a whole lot of stuff that's, shall we say, unflattering to the Democratic party. Maybe, just maybe, that's why there was such a **** storm when "2016" and "Biden" were mentioned on a certain phone call.

 

[Lutherf]

Is it your contention that because Bill Barr and John Durham, (who I actually trust),are working with other governments seeking 'the genesis of the Russia hoax' are doing the work that the Mueller investigation couldn't do in over 2 years? Will they be able to process all the information, investigate every one of the Russian trolls and Russian oligarchs that they had? Were the 191 criminal charges, the 35 people and companies charge, the 6 guilty pleas, the 3 Americans sentenced to prison and the 13 Russian Nationals and 12 Russian military officers indicted on conspiracy to defraud the United States all a just an expensive 'hoax' in your opinion?

Or maybe Barr is Trump's co-conspirator and partner in crime trying to fool people just like you that everyone else is wrong and you are right.

Mueller never looked at the origins of the hoax. The powers that be never asked him to do that because, y'know, he might have found some stuff and things.

 

[HumblePi]

While we think about that how about you consider that just maybe Democrats decided to cozy up to Ukraine after helping them get rid of Yanukovych and liked the way he helped all the "beautiful people" get rich. Maybe you should consider that those cozy relationships with Poroshenko provided the Democrats with "dirt" on a certain presidential candidate and/or people associated with him and made a really convenient story to tell about how that candidate supported Russia over Ukraine. Maybe people are now concerned that if Rudy or Barr or Durham or somebody digs too deeply into Ukraine they'll find a whole lot of stuff that's, shall we say, unflattering to the Democratic party. Maybe, just maybe, that's why there was such a **** storm when "2016" and "Biden" were mentioned on a certain phone call.

That's the most uninformed, foolish conspiracy theory I've heard from Fox in about a week.

 

[HumblePi]

Mueller never looked at the origins of the hoax. The powers that be never asked him to do that because, y'know, he might have found some stuff and things.

Tell Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort that Mueller's investigation was nothing but a hoax. Remind Rick Gates who plead 'guilty' and awaiting sentencingthat he plead guilty to a hoax. Tell that to the 13 Russian Nationals and 12 Russian Military that Robert Mueller was only joking when he indicted them.