ricksfolly
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Not really seeing what you're getting at here.
Point is, as long as poor people are politically demonized, and too many people believe it, the poor will never get the help they desperately need.
ricksfolly
No, ricks - all people do *not* want to work and have meaning in their life.
There are those who do - and are poor
And those who don't - and are poor.
And there are those who do - and aren't poor
And there are those who don't - and aren't poor, either.
Point is, as long as poor people are politically demonized, and too many people believe it, the poor will never get the help they desperately need.
ricksfolly
No, ricks - all people do *not* want to work and have meaning in their life.
There are those who do - and are poor
And those who don't - and are poor.
And there are those who do - and aren't poor
And there are those who don't - and aren't poor, either.
What would you say the percentage of each is in America, because I believe how individuals accurately or inaccurately characterize the typical 'person on welfare' or 'unemployed' tells a lot.
Work ethic/motivated + unemployed - lower income ?%
no work ethic/unmotivated + unemployed - lower income ?%
Work ethic/motivated + unemployed - middle income %?
Work ethic/motivated + employed - upper income %?
no work ethic/unmotivated - unemployed - upper income %?
What are your estimates of each - just ball park it.
Also, don't forget
no work ethic/unmotivated - employed - lower
no work ethic/unmotivated - employed - middle
no work ethic/unmotivated - employed - upper
Don't know - I actually don't concern myself with trying to peg people into percentage holes. . . you can if you wish. But all I know is what I see and have experience with.
I know a lot of poor people and they hold a huge variety of work ethics: Some are on welfare and other forms of support for a variety of reasons (lack of education has left them without work options, health problems, even their spouse leaving them has left them hung out to dry) My ex husband is a good example of those who are just being lazy, having no concern for not *being* poor and thus are on assistance.
Yet others aren't on assistance of any type and would like to be but don't qualify due to various issues (like my cousin - felons can't get welfare assistance post felony convictions - even if they do change).
Yet others do work, but would be considered poor if they really cared to analyze things like that, but don't *feel* poor. (like my neighbors down the street - I don't think they'd really care what others think nor do they feel *bad* about their lifestyle).
At the same time I also have the 'rich lazy folks' in my family - Grandma, her sister, and their two children, all live on the family estate - they're drug addicts and all in poor health - but very wealthy because someone *else* had very good work ethics and personal values.
I think you've stereotyped poor people into being this great unwashed mass of people, who have all the hope in the world but just want something to eat.
That isn't reality.
Don't know - I actually don't concern myself with trying to peg people into percentage holes. . . you can if you wish. But all I know is what I see and have experience with.
I know a lot of poor people and they hold a huge variety of work ethics: Some are on welfare and other forms of support for a variety of reasons (lack of education has left them without work options, health problems, even their spouse leaving them has left them hung out to dry) My ex husband is a good example of those who are just being lazy, having no concern for not *being* poor and thus are on assistance.
Yet others aren't on assistance of any type and would like to be but don't qualify due to various issues (like my cousin - felons can't get welfare assistance post felony convictions - even if they do change).
Yet others do work, but would be considered poor if they really cared to analyze things like that, but don't *feel* poor. (like my neighbors down the street - I don't think they'd really care what others think nor do they feel *bad* about their lifestyle).
At the same time I also have the 'rich lazy folks' in my family - Grandma, her sister, and their two children, all live on the family estate - they're drug addicts and all in poor health - but very wealthy because someone *else* had very good work ethics and personal values.
:shrug:
Everyone's different: Some people couldn't care less about working or being self-supportive, others do.
The point you seem to be missing is these are people, just like you and me. Treating them like garbage, just because they don't fit your particular self-serving philosophy, is cruel and uncivilized.
ricksfolly
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