Yeah right! A legend in his own mind.
that isn't "isn't true and hence is illegitimate". In fact your post display a definite bigoted view of Islam.
Really, then please explain how the following Koranic verses aren't radical and extremist in your book. Not to mention that the following Koranic verses were some of the last verses issued by Muhammad. Thus, meaning, per the principle of abrogation, which all sects of Islam fully embrace and all schools of Islamic jurisprudence fully endorse and advocate, the later verses issued by Muhammad in his career abrogate, that is supersede and replace, the verses issued earlier in Muhammad's career.
9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).
You see Muhammad's early career as a prophet began very inauspiciously, as in the first half of his career in Mecca Muhammad was only able to attract about a hundred followers. However, after the Hirja, Muhammad's migration to Medina after being banished from Mecca, his career as a prophet began to really take off, as Muhammad morphed from wannabe holy prophet, to brigand robbing caravans and then to eventually becoming a very powerful warlord, destroying many kafir infidel villages in the process.
As a matter of fact, the Hirja as an event in Islam marks the beginning of the Islamic calender, as Muhammad's early career in Mecca before the Hirja, when Muhammad was a very unsuccessful prophet who could only attract approximately 100 followers who were the outcast and misfits of society, doesn't even count as for as Islam and Muslims are concerned.
Therefore, all the Koranic verses issued during that period, which includes all of the peaceful verses of the Koran and the very same exact verses that Muslims love to cite to deceive useful idiot kafir infidels, have been abrogated by the verses issued later on in Muhammad's career, when he was a strong and very powerful warlord.
Moreover, the Koran unlike the Bible is believed to be the uncreated words of Allah as delivered by Muhammad, Allah's final messenger, and as such it is immutable and cannot ever be replaced or changed, because Muhammad was Allah's final messenger whose message also supersedes all the prophets that preceded him.
Not only that but Islam as opposed to all other religions is a religion of submission. In fact, the word Islam in Arabic means to submit. Thus, each Muslim is required to submit to the will of Allah at the same time that they also must surrender their own free wills. Therefore, the freedom of conscience in Islam is haram (forbidden).
In other words, if a Muslim so much as questions the word of the Koran, which all devout Muslims consider to be the express will of Allah, that Muslim will be considered a blasphemer by other Muslims and if he doesn't repent, the penalty prescribed for blasphemy in Islam is death.
Likewise, once a Muslim always a Muslim as apostasy in Islam, like blasphemy, is also punishable by death, as again the exercise of the freedom of conscience in Islam is haram (forbidden), as all devout Muslims are in effect slaves of Allah.
In Islam you either submit to the will of Allah and become his slave or you don't, and if you don't you better do it secretly if you don't want to be killed by other fellow Muslims. Indeed, no one kills more Muslims than other Muslims. It is Islam's way of maintaining peer pressure and very strict discipline.
Hence, if my post is bigoted in any way, then please prove that anything I've cited and said above is inaccurate and therefore bigoted since it constitutes illegitimate criticism because it isn't true.
In addition, you will also have to prove at the same time that the above Koranic verses that I cited verbatim and that all call for perpetual jihad against kafir infidels until there is no more Fitnah (i.e., worshipping others besides Allah) and all religion in the world will all be for Allah alone, didn't come from the Koran.
Moreover, I further submit to you that any religion that calls for perpetual jihad against all kafir infidels until there is no more Fitnah in the world and all religion belongs to Allah is indeed very radical and exceedingly extreme, and any person or persons, Muslim or otherwise, who adheres to those Koranic verses is a radical and an extremist.
Finally, what would you call a person who calls and labels others bigots and idiots at the same time that he makes idiotic and stupid assertions based on silly preconceived notions, yet himself is obviously absolutely as clueless and oblivious as it gets?
Look who's "throwing out silly juvenile allegations you can't possibly hope to back up". All you've done so far is make silly assumptions about me. Take for example, I have more posts than you in this thread and have answered those addressed to me by mbig, before you even show your face again, and you are still thick skin enough to accuse me as being: "those hit and run adolescent". If you can't even see what's right in front of your face, I don't wonder why you hold such shallow views.
Uhm...I didn't make silly juvenile allegations that you can't possibly backup, you did, and as for as silly assumptions go, read your own damn stupid and idiotic posts. I learned a long time ago never to assume or to have preconceived notions.
When you look into a mirror, what you see is what you are, now what do you see?
I see a very bright and educated individual unlike what you are and see when you look into the mirror.
The only thing that is clear enough, is that when it comes to Islam and Muslims you are about as ignorant as ignorance gets, yet you are personally attacking others as if you are some sort of leading authority steeped in the knowledge of Islam and Islamic culture, at the same time the best you can do is to spew silly, idiotic, and asinine preconceived notions that are completely antithetical to Islam and Muslims. Indeed, it is rare to observe someone slit his own throat so thoroughly as you have done in this thread.
Except I didn't write: "Muslims think, act, want, and value the same things that we in the West do." So I still say that you are an idiot.
I didn't either, as you are deliberately misrepresenting the above cited quote and also intentionally citing it out of context, but nonetheless you stupidly assumed that Muslims want and value the same things that we in the West want and value, when Muslims believe that we in the West are decadent, and that is about as ignorant as ignorance gets, and it's all based on your own silly preconceived notions. Read your own stupid posts. Nevertheless, can you back up your silly and asinine assertions, like I have mind?
Still confusing extreme cases for the masses, I see. Well, can't help you much there. You either get the concept or you don't.
The only concept I'm getting is that when it comes to Islam and Muslims you are about as ignorant as ignorance gets, yet at the same time you personally attack others and call them bigots and idiots that happen to disagree with you.
In any event, if poverty and despair is the root cause of Islamic violence as you stupidly insist, then why is it practically only Muslims today that commit terrorist attacks around the world and not any of the other religious and ethnic groups that are also afflicted with endemic poverty and despair?
Moreover, at the same time please also explain why Muslim terrorists always go out of their way to justify their terrorist attacks by citing Islamic texts and why they don't claim that it is because they are poverty stricken and in despair.
The reality is obvious, you are misapplying your own westernized preconceived notions of the world to Islamic culture and society and nothing could be more stupid or idiotic. Why can't you drop the silly preconceived notions and then approach the subject of Islam with a completely open mind, and why must you personally attack anyone who disagrees with you?
If you were to add up, in the last few years Americans might be up there in terms of violence, most of those they killed being Muslims. That obviously never entered your head
Because I'm not self hating and filled with nonsensical guilt like you are and also not nearly as ignorant as you either. Not to mention that in both Iraq and Afghanistan, most of the deaths that have occurred was via Muslim on Muslim violence.
Indeed, I propose that we get out of their way and let Muslims continue to kill each other. As a matter of fact, I propose that we seek out more cracks and fissures within Islam and then exploit them so that it will result in more Muslim on Muslim violence. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than the way we are currently pursuing the war, which is about as idiotic as it gets.
Wrong forum. The conspiracy forum might accept your bigoted conjectures, but not me.
Yeah right...and you are the one who keeps insisting ad nauseum that poverty and despair are the root causes of all Islamic motivated violence in the world and not those Koranic verses that I cited above, and that Muslims want and value the same things that we in the West do, which is why, of course, that the majorities of Muslim immigrants to the West are forming Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside, instead of assimilating and integrating and trying to emulate us in the West because they value and want the same things that we do. Give me a break. You couldn't be anymore ignorant!
And what about all the years when there was no problem and they live peacefully together?
When have Muslims not persecuted, discriminated against, and violently oppressed non-Muslims living inside Muslim majority countries? The institution of Jihad and its corollary the institution of Dhimmitude is as old as Islam itself. As a matter of fact, most of the ancestors of present day Muslims in the world today were themselves converted to Islam via the harsh and very humiliating institution of dhimmitude. Damn...you couldn't be anymore oblivious if you tried?
See what I mean about confusing the outliers for the masses/average?
No I don't see, since it is you who has unequivocally and repeatedly demonstrated that you are about as ignorant as ignorance gets with respect to Islam and Muslims! Yet, you have the audacity to personally attack anyone and everyone who isn't as equally as ignorant as you are. Indeed, I don't think I've ever witnessed a greater act of stupidity in my life as I have with respect to your posts.
What about the violence on the Christian side of the Algerian war? Those on the Hindu side of the conflict in India and Bangladesh? The Buddhist side of the violence in Thailand? The Jewish side in Israel? The Russian (Christian) side of violence in the the Balkans and Chechnya? Each side is as much to blame as the other, and yet the violence is only a reflection of Islam, not the other religions, why is that? 
