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Totally agree, it is not a specific number and depends on a lot of factors. Winston seems to believe that a young person between the ages of 16-19 living at home with their parents making minimum wage isn't making a liveable wage. Just goes to show how poorly informed some people are.
 
Really? What is their cost of living?

Their cost of living exceeds their income hence some one else pays for their shelter and probably other things. IOW it is not a living wage, sheeesh.
 
Their cost of living exceeds their income hence some one else pays for their shelter and probably other things. IOW it is not a living wage, sheeesh.

So you know their cost of living? Where did you get this gift?
 
Walmart does not disclose the percentage of full-time employees.
Ooops, how's your foot?

The retired store manager said that 70 percent of the workers at his outlet were part-time, meaning they worked no more than 32 hours a week. That ratio was imposed by his bosses at Walmart’s Bentonville, Ark., headquarters, he said, as a means of saving costs on benefits such as medical insurance, which are more easily accessible to full-time workers.

Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement
 

A general defintion of a "living wage" is one that exceeds the level at which you qualify for gov't assistance based on your income/expenses. In other words, it depends, largely on your number of dependents and "household" income.
 
Workers trying to get the highest salary...is a "double standard"?

Only in your world.

But thanks for showing that your interest is again in lower wages.
 
Too funny, you undercut Conservatives question "name a corporation that doesn't pay a living wage"....and Con "likes" it!

Too f'ing funny!
 

They provided health insurance for every single employee, part- or full-time for $15 a pay period until just now . . . when they've disallowed new hires who are working under 24 hours a month. This is a very generous program. I'm sorry it doesn't fit with your attempt to paint this company as some kind of monster.

Union organizer in a previous life?

BTW, I am not going to believe a former manager nor an employee who thought that by hiring on behind WalMart's deli counter she was starting "her career." :rofl
 
Too funny, you undercut Conservatives question "name a corporation that doesn't pay a living wage"....and Con "likes" it!

Too f'ing funny!

I'm glad we could amuse you!! Con and I tag-team like that quite frequently.
 
that is silly. until there are massive cuts in spending, the temporary increase in revenues won't mean squat

A good start would be scaling back(closing) a few of our 50 bases, in 30 countries around the world; more than half being in Europe. Why are we spending $1.7 bill per year on our air force in...Europe?
 
Workers trying to get the highest salary...is a "double standard"?

Only in your world.

But thanks for showing that your interest is again in lower wages.

Let's see your compassion for the workers, how much do you pay your employees and what have you done to increase employment and solve the liveable wage issue?
 
And today we hear that a Michigan GOP state representative who strongly support the "right to work" bill proposed an amendment to exempt her husband's union from the bill! Hard to believe, innit? She did. :thinking
 
They provide HI to less than 44% of their employees, and on average 25% of their employees use state HI programs, which is higher than nearly all other employers.

You really need to get much better data than the BS you have been laying out.
 
Let's see your compassion for the workers, how much do you pay your employees and what have you done to increase employment and solve the liveable wage issue?
Again and again, I keep reminding you that I'm a sole proprietor, but on the other hand, you were and still are a company man that avoids backing up many, many claims...ie, your integrity is lacking.
 
They provide HI to less than 44% of their employees, and on average 25% of their employees use state HI programs, which is higher than nearly all other employers.

You really need to get much better data than the BS you have been laying out.

Personal choice is a bitch, isn't it? No one can force anyone to buy health insurance. I employed 1200 people, offered healthcare to full and part time employees, paid over 80% of the cost and got 50% participation rate. Guess I should have held a gun to their heads forcing them to contribute to their health care. What you show is your total lack of understanding of personal responsibility and business costs. That is probably why you employ no one
 
Again and again, I keep reminding you that I'm a sole proprietor, but on the other hand, you were and still are a company man that avoids backing up many, many claims...ie, your integrity is lacking.

I retired 8 years ago but competed against Wal-Mart and know their pay and benefits quite well. You get your information from partisan sources that have an agenda. Guess it is easier to buy what you are told than actually do a survey.

I know a lot of sole proprietors that employ people, apparently you aren't big enough to do that
 
I see you have once again totally lost track of your own argument, you know, where you asked "what corps don't pay a living wage". We show you, you then decide to go yet off on another tangent of insurance, all without any point on how this relates to anti-union actions in MI.

You really have nothing left to do but to go off on your flights of fancy, do you?

Do you have any point with all this that relates to the topic?
 
Wait, this is the guy that posts links to a Rick Berman front organization, calls them a "union website".....and I am accused of getting info from "partisan sites"? The gall continues.

You just don't have anything left related to the topic, do you?
 

You have shown no such thing other than your opinion. I am waiting for you to explain how a 16-19 year old living at home with parents making minimum wage isn't making a liveable wage? You seem to have a problem understanding personal responsibility as well as the responsibility of someone making minimum wage to work hard enough to earn more. Guess that comes with not employing anyone. Never in my career did I pay minimum wage and always promoted from within.
 
As I said, you just have nothing left relating to the topic.
 
Wait, this is the guy that posts links to a Rick Berman front organization, calls them a "union website".....and I am accused of getting info from "partisan sites"? The gall continues.

You just don't have anything left related to the topic, do you?

There is a lot of information out there from the labor department showing what union management makes but apparently Berman and Koch infiltrated the labor department and thus the labor dept doesn't provide a credible source. We need to pay attention to leftwing sites who are always accurate.

I find it quite telling how someone who has nothing invested in another business, employs no one is such an expert on what other businesses should pay their employees. It truly is a gift that is being wasted in your sole proprietor ship as you could help the perceived problem of liveable wage by just hiring a few employees.
 
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Alternatively, you might consider giving yourself a big raise by quitting the union... :roll:
 


Looks like good thread for this guide to be in.:2wave:
 

So what? Unions use legislative means to cripple the influence of employers and get higher wages. Why is one better than the other?
 
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