Democrats threaten charges for troops who commit crimes at Trump’s direction

[Dans La Lune]

Democrats threaten charges for troops who commit crimes at Trump’s direction​

As Donald Trump floats expanding his authoritarian military crackdown to liberal-led cities beyond the nation’s capital, troops deployed to carry out his anti-democratic schemes might be at risk of prosecution themselves — and the pardon-happy president may not be able to save them.

Thus far, by my count, two Democrats in states that may find themselves targeted have vowed to spur local or state prosecutions — which couldn’t be overturned with a presidential pardon — for anyone who violate residents’ rights if and when the Trump administration expands its troop deployment.

Earlier this week, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker gave an explicit warning to troops deployed by Trump, basically saying he’d stop at nothing to make sure that those who “hurt my people” will “face justice under our constitutional rule of law.”

Democrats are standing up to dumpytits and his thuggery.

For the record, dumpytits cannot pardon local charges.

MSN

As it should be. Anyone who engages in this should be held accountable. Soldiers, Police, and ICE agents need to be put on notice. Also, ICE needs to be eliminated and the knuckle-dragging rent-a-thugs who serve as ICE agents need to be identified.

 

[Lord of Planar]

As it should be. Anyone who engages in this should be held accountable. Soldiers, Police, and ICE agents need to be put on notice. Also, ICE needs to be eliminated and the knuckle-dragging rent-a-thugs who serve as ICE agents need to be identified.

So is it your position that the criminals win, because we cannot chance bad encounters by protecting ICE?

 

[Dans La Lune]

So is it your position that the criminals win, because we cannot chance bad encounters by protecting ICE?

No, my position is that government agents who serve the public cannot be masked if they engage with the public. I also believe anyone is justified to resist, with force, anyone who tries to kidnap them while masked and/or unidentified. I would not convict anyone who physically resisted a masked ICE agent if I was in the jury.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No, my position is that government agents who serve the public cannot be masked if they engage with the public.

I would normally agree if doxing has not become so common. Lift the masks when doxing becomes a death sentence, because the people doing it are putting family lives at risk.

I also believe anyone is justified to resist, with force, anyone who tries to kidnap them while masked and/or unidentified.

I can agree with that in normal settings. If you are commuting illegal actions in an area protected by people in masks, that is an exception.

I would not convict anyone who physically resisted a masked ICE agent if I was in the jury.

The you would be disqualified if they ask such a question.

 

[reinaert]

Power is constrained by other power, not by rules. Rules are an emergent property between relatively balanced centers of power, because one party cannot win, and no party can afford the cost of victory. Rules, like civility, decorum and morals, do not persist when the cost of maintaining them no longer confers advantage, or no longer preserves the contingent equilibrium.

It should be ****ing evident by now that the current faction in control - which is not a political party - is dispensing with the prior set of rules because it won the contest between factions.

If you are still arguing the rules, you are already a ghost.

That age is behind us.

 

[Captain Adverse]

I served.

Really, where in? Some REMF supply unit?

I am simply following the law. The National Guard IS NOT allowed to act as law enforcement.

I guess you never heard of the time President Eisenhower nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, as well as sending 1,000 soldiers of the 101st Airborne to enforce Federal Law and desegregate the Arkansas school systems? Fun Fact: Governor Orval Faubus originally activated the Arkansas Guard to KEEP Black kids out of White Public schools. The President per the Constitution as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces had that authority, which was also backed up by the Insurrection Act of 1807.

I just want the law to be followed.

The law IS being followed! National Guard troops can be used to enforce Federal law. I just gave you one historical example. Want a more recent example? Just read the Forum on discussions regarding Trump Nationalizing the California Guard to protect Federal buildings and Federal personnel. They are also trained in riot control and were used for that purpose also. Did you not notice the Court cases discussed in the Forum at the time?

Many people are nervous because of the behavior of the cowards in the ICE gestapo.

Many people are "nervous" because segments of the lame-stream media controlled by Liberal and Democrat leaning "owners" and CEO's keep LYING to people about what is going on. NO American citizen is at risk of deportation. No LEGAL Immigrant or visitor to the U.S.A. is at risk as long as they don't break the laws.

At least not as long as the citizens and legal visitors don't break laws and impede/obstruct/assault Federal agents doing their job enforcing Federal laws.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Really, where in? Some REMF supply unit?

I was Navy. I worked as an admin. There is no need to be rude.

I guess you never heard of the time President Eisenhower nationalized the Arkansas National Guard, as well as sending 1,000 soldiers of the 101st Airborne to enforce Federal Law and desegregate the Arkansas school systems? Fun Fact: Governor Orval Faubus originally activated the Arkansas Guard to KEEP Black kids out of White Public schools. The President per the Constitution as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces had that authority, which was also backed up by the Insurrection Act of 1807.

That was a different time. The racists in the south had to be brought under control. There is no legal justification to send troops into a city that is not experiencing issues. Trump is attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls. PERIOD.

The law IS being followed! National Guard troops can be used to enforce Federal law. I just gave you one historical example. Want a more recent example? Just read the Forum on discussions regarding Trump Nationalizing the California Guard to protect Federal buildings and Federal personnel. They are also trained in riot control and were used for that purpose also. Did you not notice the Court cases discussed in the Forum at the time?

No, it's not.

There are no riots in Portland.

He's attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls.

Many people are "nervous" because segments of the lame-stream media controlled by Liberal and Democrat leaning "owners" and CEO's keep LYING to people about what is going on. NO American citizen is at risk of deportation. No LEGAL Immigrant or visitor to the U.S.A. is at risk as long as they don't break the laws.

At least not as long as the citizens and legal visitors don't break laws and impede/obstruct/assault Federal agents doing their job enforcing Federal laws.

This is lie. Many American citizens have been unlawfully detained and a few have even been deported.

ICE is not following the law. ICE has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain American citizens. Of course, the illegitimate SCOTUS allowed ICE gestapo members to racially profile.

Leonardo García Venegas, a Florida-born U.S. citizen with a REAL ID, was forcibly arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at an Alabama construction site after agents claimed his identification was "fake," Venegas told Noticias Telemundo in Spanish on Friday.

US citizen detained by ICE and told his REAL ID is "fake"

Leonardo García Venegas, a U.S. citizen, was arrested and detained by ICE despite presenting a valid license.

www.newsweek.com

79-year-old US citizen claims ICE agents body-slammed him at his business, seeks $50M​

MSN

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country​

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country

Juan Carlos Lopez Gomez, a United States citizen, was arrested in Florida for allegedly being in the country illegally and held for pickup by immigration authorities.

apnews.com

The law IS NOT being followed. Stop lying.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

As it should be. Anyone who engages in this should be held accountable. Soldiers, Police, and ICE agents need to be put on notice. Also, ICE needs to be eliminated and the knuckle-dragging rent-a-thugs who serve as ICE agents need to be identified.

I could not agree more.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I was Navy. I worked as an admin. There is no need to be rude.

That was a different time. The racists in the south had to be brought under control. There is no legal justification to send troops into a city that is not experiencing issues. Trump is attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls. PERIOD.

No, it's not.

There are no riots in Portland.

He's attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls.

This is lie. Many American citizens have been unlawfully detained and a few have even been deported.

ICE is not following the law. ICE has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain American citizens. Of course, the illegitimate SCOTUS allowed ICE gestapo members to racially profile.

Leonardo García Venegas, a Florida-born U.S. citizen with a REAL ID, was forcibly arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at an Alabama construction site after agents claimed his identification was "fake," Venegas told Noticias Telemundo in Spanish on Friday.

US citizen detained by ICE and told his REAL ID is "fake"

Leonardo García Venegas, a U.S. citizen, was arrested and detained by ICE despite presenting a valid license.

www.newsweek.com

79-year-old US citizen claims ICE agents body-slammed him at his business, seeks $50M​

MSN

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country​

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country

Juan Carlos Lopez Gomez, a United States citizen, was arrested in Florida for allegedly being in the country illegally and held for pickup by immigration authorities.

apnews.com

The law IS NOT being followed. Stop lying.

I only read the first link. He was arrested for obstruction of justice, not because of his skin color. I noticed there was no verification if his ID was real or fake.

 

[Captain Adverse]

I was Navy. I worked as an admin. There is no need to be rude.

There is also no need to call on "false authority" as if your service gives you unchallenged authority to asset nonsense.

However, I agree. Sorry for the snide opening.

That was a different time. The racists in the south had to be brought under control. There is no legal justification to send troops into a city that is not experiencing issues. Trump is attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls. PERIOD.

Wrong! Nothing in the law has changed unless it be to increase Presidential authority.

But you seem to ignore the fact that certain major Democrat run Cities and States are not only violating Federal law with these nonsense "Sanctuary" declarations. They are ACTING to impede Federal law enforcement ENFORCING Federal Law! Worse, by their rhetoric they are inciting citizens of their States to act out! Not in "peaceful protest" but in ever increasing violence.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. As IMO you would know if you actually followed the facts.

There are no riots in Portland.

Really? Well I'd say that the activity outside the Portland ICE Detention Facility smacks of the same ANTIFA violence as occurred in that same city during the "George Floyd Love-in." You know, when members of crowds bolstered by ANTIFA thugs continuously attacked the Federal Courthouse and neither the local Police, nor the local government did much of anything to stop them.

He's attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls.

Nonsense not worth responding to. He isn't attacking "Blue States." He is doing his damn job as the Chief Federal Law Enforcement Officer and also what he ran for office to do. Deport the vast majority of the tens of millions of "illegal migrants" the Biden Administration gave only lip service to stopping.

This is lie. Many American citizens have been unlawfully detained and a few have even been deported.

The only "citizens" who many have been deported were the children born in the USA of Illegal parents, AND those American citizens married to an Illegal who also chose to depart (not get deported) with them. Other than that, no American citizen has been deported because they ARE citizens and legally entitled to remain.

ICE is not following the law. ICE has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain American citizens. Of course, the illegitimate SCOTUS allowed ICE gestapo members to racially profile.

Anyone can be detained by law enforcement personnel when there is reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed. In the case of INS detentions, they are either stopped to seek identification of a person so detained to make sure they are either legal citizens, or foreigners in the country legally. If they are, they are free to go. If they cannot show simple proof, then they can be held until such proof can be provided or determined to be an illegal immigrant, in which case they can be deported.

Leonardo García Venegas, a Florida-born U.S. citizen with a REAL ID, was forcibly arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at an Alabama construction site after agents claimed his identification was "fake," Venegas told Noticias Telemundo in Spanish on Friday.

By you own source, once the identification was cleared up...what happened? He was released.

79-year-old US citizen claims ICE agents body-slammed him at his business, seeks $50M​

Well, in that case I say he has a right to file the civil suit. (I doubt he will get $50 Million), and ICE Agent(s) responsible investigated.

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country.​

That was not ICE, that was an over-zealous State Police Officer.

The law IS NOT being followed. Stop lying.

I am not lying. I am stating fact. I actually debunked most of your response. Should I accuse you of lying now?

 

[LouC]

Democrats threaten charges for troops who commit crimes at Trump’s direction.​

Good!

If the R's in D.C. still had their cojones and or spines they would stand with their Democratic counterparts on this.

But I would like to think President Donald Trump would not be directing any NG or regular Military to be committing crimes.

 

[trixare4kids]

This is lie. Many American citizens have been unlawfully detained and a few have even been deported.

ICE is not following the law. ICE has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain American citizens. Of course, the illegitimate SCOTUS allowed ICE gestapo members to racially profile.

Leonardo García Venegas, a Florida-born U.S. citizen with a REAL ID, was forcibly arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at an Alabama construction site after agents claimed his identification was "fake," Venegas told Noticias Telemundo in Spanish on Friday.

79-year-old US citizen claims ICE agents body-slammed him at his business, seeks $50M​

I was Navy. I worked as an admin. There is no need to be rude.

That was a different time. The racists in the south had to be brought under control. There is no legal justification to send troops into a city that is not experiencing issues. Trump is attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls. PERIOD.

No, it's not.

There are no riots in Portland.

He's attacking blue states because they refuse to juggle his balls.

This is lie. Many American citizens have been unlawfully detained and a few have even been deported.

ICE is not following the law. ICE has NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to detain American citizens. Of course, the illegitimate SCOTUS allowed ICE gestapo members to racially profile.

Leonardo García Venegas, a Florida-born U.S. citizen with a REAL ID, was forcibly arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at an Alabama construction site after agents claimed his identification was "fake," Venegas told Noticias Telemundo in Spanish on Friday.

US citizen detained by ICE and told his REAL ID is "fake"

Leonardo García Venegas, a U.S. citizen, was arrested and detained by ICE despite presenting a valid license.

www.newsweek.com

79-year-old US citizen claims ICE agents body-slammed him at his business, seeks $50M​

MSN

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country​

A US citizen was held for pickup by ICE even after proving he was born in the country

Juan Carlos Lopez Gomez, a United States citizen, was arrested in Florida for allegedly being in the country illegally and held for pickup by immigration authorities.

apnews.com

The law IS NOT being followed. Stop lying.

The law is being followed.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried and I've proved it over on the newest B/N thread regarding this subject.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson says local police will not aid federal immigration enforcement after another night of violence​

Maybe this is why the president called in the military... Our Mayor needs to be ousted.

Portland mayor doubles down on sanctuary status after violent anti-ICE riot

Portland Mayor Wilson is reaffirming his commitment to sanctuary policies in the wake of another night of violence outside a local U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility.

www.foxnews.com

 

[eohrnberger]

LOL.

What a retarded joke. They cannot do that.

Are the democrats really that brain-dead?

Apparently so, when they take their opinion from this source:

Ja'han Jones​

Ja’han Jones is an MSNBC opinion blogger. He previously wrote The ReidOut Blog. He is a futurist and multimedia producer focused on culture and politics. His previous projects include “Black Hair Defined” and the “Black Obituary Project.”​

MSNBC?
An opinion blogger?
Wrote for 'The ReidOut Blog'?

Yes, apparently 'democrats really that brain-dead?'

 

[trixare4kids]

Portland Mayor Keith Wilson says local police will not aid federal immigration enforcement after another night of violence​

Maybe this is why the president called in the military... Our Mayor needs to be ousted.

Portland mayor doubles down on sanctuary status after violent anti-ICE riot

Portland Mayor Wilson is reaffirming his commitment to sanctuary policies in the wake of another night of violence outside a local U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility.

www.foxnews.com

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Now tell us @ColdHardTruth, who is breaking the law by not protecting our ICE agents?

Lord of Plantar, the above backs up my sources I used from the B/N thread on the same topic.
The city of Portland is doing jack-shit to stop ICE from being attacked.

 

[eohrnberger]

Now tell us @ColdHardTruth, who is breaking the law by not protecting our ICE agents?

Lord of Plantar, the above backs up my sources I used from the B/N thread on the same topic.

The city of Portland is doing jack-shit to stop ICE from being attacked.

I'll bet that if you look closely enough, there actual encouragement for attacking ICE agents.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Well, popularity doesn't really matter does it? Do you have a democrat candidate that would be more popular under these distressing time of the democrats constantly lying to the public?

Lesser of two evils...

Popularity matters a lot. In order for him to be so unpopular, it means even republicans are unhappy with his performance.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Don't know what that means exactly, but impeding or obstructing a federal officer is felony.

Yep, it goes both ways.

 

[The AntiDonald]

I would normally agree if doxing has not become so common. Lift the masks when doxing becomes a death sentence, because the people doing it are putting family lives at risk.

I can agree with that in normal settings. If you are commuting illegal actions in an area protected by people in masks, that is an exception.

The you would be disqualified if they ask such a question.

When ICE starts treating people with humanity, the negativity toward them will diminish. I don't care who you are. You have to earn respect. ICE came out swinging this year and blew all chances of gaining any respect.

It's all about the cruelty and instilling fear. This is why they are being referred to as the government gestapo.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Now tell us @ColdHardTruth, who is breaking the law by not protecting our ICE agents?

Lord of Plantar, the above backs up my sources I used from the B/N thread on the same topic.
The city of Portland is doing jack-shit to stop ICE from being attacked.

That is how bad Portland is. The sitting mayor is a radical leftist jackass who is willing to let federal employees be attacked on the streets.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I'll bet that if you look closely enough, there actual encouragement for attacking ICE agents.

I would agree with you.

 

[trixare4kids]

I'll bet that if you look closely enough, there actual encouragement for attacking ICE agents.

It's clear as day when we read that "Portland Mayor Keith Wilson says local police will not aid federal immigration enforcement after another night of violence."

The remark came amid a series of protests at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility on South Macadam Avenue in Portland, which have turned violent multiple times in recent months. Specifically, it followed clashes on Labor Day (September 1, 2025), described as "another night of violence" in contemporary reporting. Protesters reportedly rolled out a guillotine, burned an American flag, clashed with law enforcement, and used riot shields, prompting police to deploy munitions like tear gas and flash bangs to disperse the crowd. At least two injuries were reported among officers in similar prior incidents, though no arrests were confirmed from the September 1 event itself.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/mcIthfOYpgWBa6vaa8SuN2Auc

 

[Showtime586]

Standing up to Trump by going after those in service who are trying to do the best job they can in legally ambiguous situations is probably not a good idea. The issue is not with those in the national guard, it is with the orders they are given. Scapegoating them is not what anyone should be doing.

Reminding the NG that there are consequences for their actions isn't a bad thing. In fact, such a reminder may well be a necessary deterrent.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

There is also no need to call on "false authority" as if your service gives you unchallenged authority to asset nonsense.

However, I agree. Sorry for the snide opening.


Wrong! Nothing in the law has changed unless it be to increase Presidential authority.

But you seem to ignore the fact that certain major Democrat run Cities and States are not only violating Federal law with these nonsense "Sanctuary" declarations. They are ACTING to impede Federal law enforcement ENFORCING Federal Law! Worse, by their rhetoric they are inciting citizens of their States to act out! Not in "peaceful protest" but in ever increasing violence.



Yes, it is. As IMO you would know if you actually followed the facts.



Really? Well I'd say that the activity outside the Portland ICE Detention Facility smacks of the same ANTIFA violence as occurred in that same city during the "George Floyd Love-in." You know, when members of crowds bolstered by ANTIFA thugs continuously attacked the Federal Courthouse and neither the local Police, nor the local government did much of anything to stop them.



Nonsense not worth responding to. He isn't attacking "Blue States." He is doing his damn job as the Chief Federal Law Enforcement Officer and also what he ran for office to do. Deport the vast majority of the tens of millions of "illegal migrants" the Biden Administration gave only lip service to stopping.



The only "citizens" who many have been deported were the children born in the USA of Illegal parents, AND those American citizens married to an Illegal who also chose to depart (not get deported) with them. Other than that, no American citizen has been deported because they ARE citizens and legally entitled to remain.



Anyone can be detained by law enforcement personnel when there is reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed. In the case of INS detentions, they are either stopped to seek identification of a person so detained to make sure they are either legal citizens, or foreigners in the country legally. If they are, they are free to go. If they cannot show simple proof, then they can be held until such proof can be provided or determined to be an illegal immigrant, in which case they can be deported.

WRONG.

ICE CANNOT detain American citizens. The ICE gestapo is not law enforcement. They are a collection of mask Nazi gestapo goons who lack the balls to show their faces.

This is why they are called GESTAPO GOONS.

By you own source, once the identification was cleared up...what happened? He was released.

Yeah, AFTER HE WAS ILLEGALLY DETAINED AND HIS VALID ID WAS CALLED FAKE. That is abuse on the part of the gestapo goons.

Well, in that case I say he has a right to file the civil suit. (I doubt he will get $50 Million), and ICE Agent(s) responsible investigated.


That was not ICE, that was an over-zealous State Police Officer.



I am not lying. I am stating fact. I actually debunked most of your response. Should I accuse you of lying now?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yeah, AFTER HE WAS ILLEGALLY DETAINED AND HIS VALID ID WAS CALLED FAKE. That is abuse on the part of the gestapo goons.

He was not illegally detained. Your own article claims he was interfering with the arrest of another. they could have jailed him for that but did not.