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Democrats threaten charges for troops who commit crimes at Trump’s direction

Taylor said:
The President has Title 10 authority. You can argue about whether or not the threshold for that was met, but your claim that the governor has full control is simply false.
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The governor has full control if the threshold is not met.
 
lwf said:
The governor has full control if the threshold is not met.
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The threshold is met when the governor does not keep order in his state. To allow endless criminal activity that is preventable, is not OK.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The threshold is met when the governor does not keep order in his state. To allow endless criminal activity that is preventable, is not OK.
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No, it does not meet the threshold. Crime prevention is the responsibility of the state, not the federal government. If the people of the state are unsatisfied with the levels of crime, then they should elect state leaders who make law enforcement the top priority. Law enforcement is not the purpose of the National Guard unless the state authorizes it, and in that case the National Guard answers to the state authority. The federal government cannot take law enforcement duties away from the authority of the state.
 
lwf said:
No, it does not meet the threshold. Crime prevention is the responsibility of the state, not the federal government. If the people of the state are unsatisfied with the levels of crime, then they should elect state leaders who make law enforcement the top priority. Law enforcement is not the purpose of the National Guard unless the state authorizes this.
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Yet the governor allowed his citizens to attack federal agents.
 
ColdHardTruth said:

Democrats threaten charges for troops who commit crimes at Trump’s direction​

As Donald Trump floats expanding his authoritarian military crackdown to liberal-led cities beyond the nation’s capital, troops deployed to carry out his anti-democratic schemes might be at risk of prosecution themselves — and the pardon-happy president may not be able to save them.

Thus far, by my count, two Democrats in states that may find themselves targeted have vowed to spur local or state prosecutions — which couldn’t be overturned with a presidential pardon — for anyone who violate residents’ rights if and when the Trump administration expands its troop deployment.

Earlier this week, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker gave an explicit warning to troops deployed by Trump, basically saying he’d stop at nothing to make sure that those who “hurt my people” will “face justice under our constitutional rule of law.”

Democrats are standing up to dumpytits and his thuggery.

For the record, dumpytits cannot pardon local charges.

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Whatever happened to that servicemember who, under the orders of President Obama, launched the drone that killed an American citizen and his teenage son without any due process?

Mark
 
Taylor said:
Yes. Failure to do that in other cities is why the national guard is being deployed to protect immigration officers just trying to do their jobs.
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Trump's trying to magnify the crime problems to score political points. If he cracks down as he claims he will, he's going to have a big problem. Our jails are already over crowded.
 
Hamish Howl said:
They absolutely can.

Soldiers have no special immunity to civilian law.
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I think when operating in their military capacity, they are immune. Just not when off duty. If they commit a crime on or off duty, they are subject to the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) which in most cases is more severe than being prosecuted in a civilian court.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Trump's trying to magnify the crime problems to score political points. If he cracks down as he claims he will, he's going to have a big problem. Our jails are already over crowded.
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Well, it is working. He is getting those points as the left violently opposes legal actions.
 
Redress said:
Standing up to Trump by going after those in service who are trying to do the best job they can in legally ambiguous situations is probably not a good idea. The issue is not with those in the national guard, it is with the orders they are given. Scapegoating them is not what anyone should be doing.
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Its the only thing he can do. I support it. Just following orders has never been an excuse and its not scapegoating.
 
Redress said:
Not something they need to be reminded of. Threatening those who serve is not going to play well with anyone, and should be avoided for many reasons. The national guard is doing a difficult job in difficult circumstances. You can argue they should not be given that job, and I will agree with you 100 %, but threatening them is not right. At all.
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Actually yes it is something they need to be reminded of. They hurt a lot of innocent people last time they were unleashed like this. They shot people in the eye with rubber bullets and hurt people just standing outside their doors. They also cracked skulls of people that did not threaten them.
 
Redress said:
Trump != the national guard

If you have a problem with what Trump is doing, and lord knows I do, then go after him. Going after those troops who are serving our country, and have no choice in what they are doing, is ****ed up, as is calling them a "goon squad".
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Anyone serving under trump’s orders is culpable they can quit and have every option to. They dont have to participate.
 
Redress said:
Not something they need to be reminded of. Threatening those who serve is not going to play well with anyone, and should be avoided for many reasons. The national guard is doing a difficult job in difficult circumstances. You can argue they should not be given that job, and I will agree with you 100 %, but threatening them is not right. At all.
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I served. I am simply following the law. The National Guard IS NOT allowed to act as law enforcement.

I just want the law to be followed.

Many people are nervous because of the behavior of the cowards in the ICE gestapo.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Well, it is working. He is getting those points as the left violently opposes legal actions.
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Show me just one category where his popularity numbers have risen. Your hero is underwater in every single category.

It may be working for MAGA, but not the rest of us.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
I served. I am simply following the law. The National Guard IS NOT allowed to act as law enforcement.

I just want the law to be followed.

Many people are nervous because of the behavior of the cowards in the ICE gestapo.
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Read Article IV section 4 of the constitutions.

That is not be their mission statement for normal times. These are not normal times. We have domestic violence that must be stopped.
 
The AntiDonald said:
Show me just one category where his popularity numbers have risen. Your hero is underwater in every single category.

It may be working for MAGA, but not the rest of us.
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Well, popularity doesn't really matter does it? Do you have a democrat candidate that would be more popular under these distressing time of the democrats constantly lying to the public?

Lesser of two evils...
 
Lord of Planar said:
I think when operating in their military capacity, they are immune. Just not when off duty. If they commit a crime on or off duty, they are subject to the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) which in most cases is more severe than being prosecuted in a civilian court.
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They are not. If they commit a crime, the provost marshal might want a piece of them, but they still have to answer to the civilian authorities of whichever jurisdiction in which it occurred.
 
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