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Democrat's Spending Plans Don't Show Any Signs Of Sanity

You do know that Trump added more to the national debt in a single term than any other President in history right?
The Dems are trying hard to beat that...for nothing but liberal agenda items that most of the country doesn't want and for stuff that'll kill our economy.

That's a hell of a stupid thing for any American to support.
 
The Dems are trying hard to beat that...for nothing but liberal agenda items that most of the country doesn't want and for stuff that'll kill our economy.

That's a hell of a stupid thing for any American to support.

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Republicans have been enriching the rich and ballooning the national debt every since Reagan and tax cuts for the rich and borrow the money to pay for it.

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I think Trump has a better chance in 2024 then in 2020 and he only barely lost in 2020.

Trunk looks good and healthy, he’s lost weight, and taking away Twitter might have actually been a godsend for him.

And now he’ll know exactly how far the rot in the federal government goes, so if he gets re-elected in 2024 he can start firing people and hopefully would be smart enough to pull his cabinet from the Claremont institute instead of conservatism inc.

Spencer Klavan would be a great secretary of Ed, appoint Adrian Vermule to the Supreme Court, maybe assign Michael Anton to Secretary of Defense.
I respectfully disagree. I'm assuming you think Biden will be the nominee in 2024, hence you think Trump will look healthier than Biden. We don't really know if Biden will be the nominee or not. Besides, I'm not so sure with voter ideology involved that voters will be voting on someone based on how healthy they look. It might come down to, do I want lefty policies or righty policies and, let's face it, Democratic voters in those big cities outnumber Republican voters. So, Republican's only presidential chance is with the EC. Voters often have to hold their noses and vote for the better of two evils and it's hard to say for sure how that pendulum will swing with the moderates and independents. They may consider Trump to be more evil than Sleepy Joe (if he is the nominee).

Yes, there is a deep state, whether the left want to believe or acknowledge it or not. They also own most of the MSM, which is of huge benefit to them. While Republican voters know the media are full of shit, the left don't care, and those in the middle get hit with a barrage of anti-Trump and anti-right 24/7. It has to have an effect. The left are also getting better and better in impeding 1A rights, shutting down those 1A rights of the right and labeling it misinformation while they have free reign to commit misinformation on a large scale with impunity. By the way, I suspect that Trump's Twitter account will be back up and running around primary time. For how long, I don't know because, again, the left will twist his words and label his Tweets misinformation.

Unfortunately, Trump found out in his first term that the swamp is much deeper than he thought. Truth is, if Trump fired every member of the swamp, there would be no one left to appoint to any positions. The swamp is that deep. It is all encompassing, much like a black hole. And, much of the swamp is politicians and, for the most part, they are elected and you can't really get rid of them. And, by then, Biden will have refilled the swamp from the top down to the little guys. By the time Trump got rid of the swamp his four year term would be over.

Bottom line, I see both sides over the years assuming way too much, such as Hillary popping the cork on the champaigne bottle in 2016 and the right would be making a huge mistake in popping the cork on the 2024 champaigne bottle. Personally, I wouldn't be making any bets at all on Trump even being the nominee in 2024, let alone winning the presidency. I'm not saying that it's impossible and I would love to see Trump do it to them all over again but, as they say in Back To The Future, the future is not written yet and it would be a mistake to write it now.
 
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Republicans have been enriching the rich and ballooning the national debt every since Reagan and tax cuts for the rich and borrow the money to pay for it.

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Tax cuts don't make the rich richer...favorable economic legislation does that, and the Dems have been in the forefront when passing such favorable legislation.

Yes...look at when that started...right about when the globalists got their action going...and paid both Dem and Rep congressmen to make it happen.

And this is the result of what those Dem and Rep congressmen did...decades of ever-increasing deficit spending for the benefit of the rich.

You are being utterly dishonest by only blaming the Reps...and ignoring the BIG part the Dems played...and right now, it's the Dem's turn to try to do it some more.

The fact is, the globalists include both Dems and Reps
 
Trump was laser-focused on debt reduction during his term which is why the US started an austerity regime like the UK.

Oh, no he just gave a massive and completely unwanted tax break to billionaires instead, my mistake.
 
Tax cuts don't make the rich richer...favorable economic legislation does that, and the Dems have been in the forefront when passing such favorable legislation.


Yes...look at when that started...right about when the globalists got their action going...and paid both Dem and Rep congressmen to make it happen.


And this is the result of what those Dem and Rep congressmen did...decades of ever-increasing deficit spending for the benefit of the rich.

You are being utterly dishonest by only blaming the Reps...and ignoring the BIG part the Dems played...and right now, it's the Dem's turn to try to do it some more.

The fact is, the globalists include both Dems and Reps

Well you really should change your sources of information
 
Well you really should change your sources of information
Oh? What should I change reality to? Do you have recommendations? You know...YOUR sources for your fantasy?
 
Funny thing is Biden has a plan to pay for his spending. Now Mitch says no way will he allow taxes on the rich to be raised.
 
Oh? What should I change reality to? Do you have recommendations? You know...YOUR sources for your fantasy?

Ok I know where you stand. That right wing separate reality.
 
Funny thing is Biden has a plan to pay for his spending. Now Mitch says no way will he allow taxes on the rich to be raised.
Since no amount of taxes on the rich will pay for TRILLIONS in deficit spending, I'd say Mitch is doing the right thing.

The proper thing to do is to reduce spending...but that's not something the Dems want to do.
 

How it will be paid for​

Biden wants to raise the corporate tax rate to 28% to pay for the plan – a percentage that the White House noted is still below what corporations paid before President Donald Trump's tax cuts in 2017. Biden also wants to increase the minimum tax on U.S. multinational corporations to 21%.

The tax overhaul, dubbed the Made in America Tax Plan, seeks to incentivize job creation and investment in the U.S., end profit-shifting to tax havens and ensure large corporations pay "their fair share," according to the White House.
The plan would eliminate a rule that allows U.S. companies to pay no taxes on the first 10% of returns when they locate investments in other countries.
Under the tax hikes and other reforms – eliminating tax loopholes for intellectual property and denying companies deductions for offshoring jobs, for example – the White House projects the spending would be fully paid in 15 years and reduce deficits in the following years.
SOURCE USA TODAY reporting and research; whitehouse.gov
 
Not understanding the full benefits of wealth creation and then how NOT to use them ,are key clues when hunting down the Derangement Syndrome suffered by left type personalities .

If you give everyone who pays taxes a tax break, the GNP will grow and this will benefit all. For example, the Trump tax cuts grew the economy, which then lowered black, minority and female unemployment, thereby lowering the needed government spending for poverty. The reason for the growth, via a tax break, is by not giving that tax money to the knuckleheads in Washington, one can invest that extra money to get a positive rate of return; 1% in a bank account or higher in stocks.

If you give that same tax money to the government, you will always get a negative rate of return, which gets worse each time the knuckleheads deficit spend. Deficit spending requires paying ever increasing interest on that National debt, which skims money off the top of this years tax revenues, and creates a negative rate of return before anything is done. Taxes are a poor investment when knuckleheads like Pelosi and Schumer run the show. Until these incompetent people learn to balance the budget, taxes with a negative rate of return is a stupid investment.

The Trump economy grew because of the tax break and multiplier affect of the positive rate of return via the economy. Spending money in the economy trickles that money upward, where demand based investments appear that multiples that money. The Biden economy, if the Democrats are able to game the system and then rob and steal their way to larger deficits, will cause the economy to stall due to the negative rate of return. Their approach takes away the seed potato for a one time party, but destroys the hope of next years crop; negative return on investment.

Maybe we need a Constitutional amendment that says Government needs to create a positive rate of return on our tax investment or else the incompetent knucklehead can be fired, replaced and their personal assets seized. They have no problem seizing the assets with with higher taxes, and then spend it on bad investments with a negative return; middleman skim game.

Trump was good with the tax payer money and showed it was possible for government to get a positive rate of return. For example, he got the NATO allies to pay their fair share of international defense, thereby getting a positive rate of return; same protection for less tax money or the same money get us more. The China Tariffs also raised revenue with a small group of bureaucrats and bean counters. With investments like that and a tax break, government revenues increased due to the multiplier affect of the positive rate of return.

Trump did add to the deficit, but that was because he made the mistake of including the Democrats in all spending bill. They chose to squander their share of the tax money. Had Trump stayed firm on a positive rate of return, the knuckleheads would have stalled all investments until the total return was even more negative. In every budget cycle Pelosi and Schumer got their wish lists, and to stop the bleeding, Trump agreed, but this was because he felt he could offset the loss via the booming Trump economy. In the end, the private sector was able to carry the weight of the incompetence in Washington.

The question I have are taxes a form of slavery? Taxes do not target everyone in the country. Taxes only discriminate against the worker. It requires they work 20-40%; tax rate, of time for nothing, like a slave, with this slavery compounded by the negative rate of return created by the knuckleheads. If the government could reach a positive rate of return, than slavery does not apply, since this would be a positive investment based on averages. It would still discriminate against the worker, unless those who benefit without effort; mostly leftist, also put in some time; similar hours of volunteer and charity work at $18/hr against benefits. This may be a good legal challenge for opening the discussion of what is slavery, discrimination and fair share.
 
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You are totally wrong about why Trump "lost".

Be that as it may, just like in 2016, Trump will appeal to ALL Americans...especially the middle class. That's why he won in 2016 and why he should have won in 2020. Trump has NEVER been arrogant toward the citizens...only toward the haters.

And yes...Trump does have "something". Something that the Dems do NOT have: The policies that are aimed for the benefit of Main Street USA.

So in your mind, haters aren't citizens?
This whole line of thinking is complete bullshit.
 
Could have written this one myself:


Which figure do you believe more closely represents America's infrastructure requirements over the next 10 years, $5 trillion or zero dollars? One party definitely definitely represents each position. Why aren't their 50 R's signed onto the 'bipartisan infrastructure bill'?
 
I think Trump has a better chance in 2024 then in 2020 and he only barely lost in 2020.

Trunk looks good and healthy, he’s lost weight, and taking away Twitter might have actually been a godsend for him.

And now he’ll know exactly how far the rot in the federal government goes, so if he gets re-elected in 2024 he can start firing people and hopefully would be smart enough to pull his cabinet from the Claremont institute instead of conservatism inc.

Spencer Klavan would be a great secretary of Ed, appoint Adrian Vermule to the Supreme Court, maybe assign Michael Anton to Secretary of Defense.
Over 7 million popular votes and over 70 more EC votes is barely? Right.
 
Which figure do you believe more closely represents America's infrastructure requirements over the next 10 years, $5 trillion or zero dollars? One party definitely definitely represents each position. Why aren't their 50 R's signed onto the 'bipartisan infrastructure bill'?
That's totally and completely untrue. Even Trump pushed for infrastructure. Republicans are on board with infrastructure but not by taxing more or adding to the debt, which is what Democrats want to do.
 
Do you see Republicans putting forth multi-trillion dollar spending bills one after another after another?
You mean like what Trump proposed and the GOP passed during COVID?

But more to the point…Democrats compass spending bills…along with the taxes needed to pay for them.

Republicans lower taxes, on some and expect the rest to pony up (my taxes went up, not down during Trump). The problem is that they DO cut liberal programs, but instead of cutting the spending out of the budget completely, they just assign that money to conservative programs. So the spending continues at the same pace, if. It growing even larger.

It’s true; we like to tax and spend. But at least we know we should be paying for it and not passing the cost off onto debt.
 
That's totally and completely untrue. Even Trump pushed for infrastructure. Republicans are on board with infrastructure but not by taxing more or adding to the debt, which is what Democrats want to do.
I'll need a source for any djt infrastructure week that produced any infrastructure spending that wasn't already baked in (I don't believe building walls count).

Why aren't there 50 R's signed onto the bipartisan part of the plan?

R's don't want infrastructure that would benefit the entire nation to be paid for with debt, but they are more than happy to use debt to give tax breaks to the richest in America?
 
I'll need a source for any djt infrastructure week that produced any infrastructure spending that wasn't already baked in (I don't believe building walls count).

Why aren't there 50 R's signed onto the bipartisan part of the plan?

R's don't want infrastructure that would benefit the entire nation to be paid for with debt, but they are more than happy to use debt to give tax breaks to the richest in America?
I mean Ds want to screw American workers with unlimited mass immigration
 
I mean Ds want to screw American workers with unlimited mass immigration
We need mass immigration. Our internal population growth is not adequate for a growing healthy economy. FYI, it's the corporate overlords that are screwing the American worker.
 
You mean like what Trump proposed and the GOP passed during COVID?

But more to the point…Democrats compass spending bills…along with the taxes needed to pay for them.

Republicans lower taxes, on some and expect the rest to pony up (my taxes went up, not down during Trump). The problem is that they DO cut liberal programs, but instead of cutting the spending out of the budget completely, they just assign that money to conservative programs. So the spending continues at the same pace, if. It growing even larger.

It’s true; we like to tax and spend. But at least we know we should be paying for it and not passing the cost off onto debt.
Democrats wanted the Covid packages to add to the debt but they didn't want several more multi-trillion dollar packages that Democrats are still fighting for. Translation: It is Democrats who continually want multi-trillion dollar spending packages, one after another after another after another.
 
I'll need a source for any djt infrastructure week that produced any infrastructure spending that wasn't already baked in (I don't believe building walls count).

Why aren't there 50 R's signed onto the bipartisan part of the plan?

R's don't want infrastructure that would benefit the entire nation to be paid for with debt, but they are more than happy to use debt to give tax breaks to the richest in America?
You are blind as a bat or partisan as a bat. Republicans are part of a BIPARTISAN infrastructure plan.
 
We need mass immigration. Our internal population growth is not adequate for a growing healthy economy. FYI, it's the corporate overlords that are screwing the American worker.

Well then we need to ban feminism and encourage girls from kindergarten on that their goal should be to get married by 20 and have kids. Continually importing foreigners will not work because by generation three their kids endorse our degenerate culture and more diversity means more internal conflict.

The corporate overloads are screwing the worker, by lobbying for more immigration. We need a ban on all immigration for like 30 years
 
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