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No Tomahawks for Zelensky

iguanaman said:
Puerto Rico does not want to be tossed out of America or they would be. They have repeatedly voted to become a State but sadly the racist Republicans are hesitant to allow them to vote in federal elections. On the other hand the Russian colonies were forced to become satellites by military force and are not happy to be pawns of Moscow. Their valuable resources are being plundered while they remain impoverished like the colonies of the 17th through 19th century. After decades or even centuries of plundering by Moscow they want independence will not remain as part of Russia once the Kremlin falls.

Colonialism: Historical and modern context
The term "colonies" as applied to Russia is subject to different interpretations among historians and political analysts, as Russian expansion historically involved land annexation contiguous with its core territory.
  • Historical context: Russian imperial expansion involved the conquest and colonization of Siberia and Central Asia, which incorporated diverse peoples into the Russian state. Some historians describe this process as "internal colonialism".
  • Modern context: Some analysts characterize Russia's actions in its "near abroad"—such as the occupation of territories in Ukraine and Georgia and political domination over Belarus—as neo-imperialist or neo-colonial
https://www.google.com/search?q=wha...AgiwAgHxBUHhgxZ1PqZW&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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The United States has refused to allow Puerto Rico independence, despite an extensive movement for such decades ago.

It has also refused to allow it to have statehood.

You literally just admit the U.S. is too racist to ever accept the Puerto Ricans as equals, which makes your sputtering about “Russian colonies” deeply comical.
 
anatta said:
Trump was never committed with Tomahawk. I did hear him say (today) it could escalate the war. It's about time he gets off the Z train.
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I agree.

This conflict started back in 2014 when western Ukraine including Crimea "revolted" with support from Russia to rejoin Russia. Who was President in 2014? Barack Obama in his second term. Then in February 2022 Russia began a full-scale invasion of the remainder of Ukraine. Who was President at that time? Joe Biden. Notice the gap between 2016 - 2020? Who was President then? Donald Trump in his first term.

I point this out because people seem to be blaming Trump for the situation in Ukraine. That's funny when the initial invasion, and subsequent renewal of the conflict occurred under two Democrat Presidents. Now people seem to think it is Trump's responsibility to try to clean it up.

As far as I am concerned Ukraine is not our problem. They are not a part of NATO and have never been. Anything we do is simply out of the goodness of our hearts, and yet we have people on the Left acting like it is all Trump's failure if he doesn't successfully do what neither Obama nor Biden could.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I agree.

This conflict started back in 2014 when western Ukraine including Crimea "revolted" with support from Russia to rejoin Russia. Who was President in 2014? Barack Obama in his second term. Then in February 2022 Russia began a full-scale invasion of the remainder of Ukraine. Who was President at that time? Joe Biden. Notice the gap between 2016 - 2020? Who was President then? Donald Trump in his first term.

I point this out because people seem to be blaming Trump for the situation in Ukraine. That's funny when the initial invasion, and subsequent renewal of the conflict occurred under two Democrat Presidents. Now people seem to think it is Trump's responsibility to try to clean it up.

As far as I am concerned Ukraine is not our problem. They are not a part of NATO and have never been. Anything we do is simply out of the goodness of our hearts, and yet we have people on the Left acting like it is all Trump's failure if he doesn't successfully do what neither Obama nor Biden could.
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Eastern Ukraine....
 
Luce said:
Called it.
Trump talked to Putin, Putin stroked his ego a little, proposal over.
Trump is the biggest marshmallow in geopolitical history. He makes Chamberlain look like Churchill.
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100 percent.

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’ by Russia​
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The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.​
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They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the front line in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.​
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During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.​
 
j brown's body said:
Yeah, let's keep this war endlessly bogged down and let Putin do the escalating.
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No, that was Biden who refused to negotiate with Putin who controls the world's largest nuclear arsenal.
j brown's body said:
Its kind of weird Trump needs to rely on the Russian Premier for intel though.
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Putin speaks for Russia. He has a policy that the country suppling weapons to the Ukraine will be held responsible when they are used in the Russian interior.

Would you trust the Cuban dictator with Russia supplied missiles capable of hitting DC?
 
Gatsby said:
I figured Trump's recent pro-Ukraine turn wouldn't last. In the end, Trump was always going to be the same craven cowardly cuck he's always been.

Oh well. It was nice while it lasted for a couple months.
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The smoke has barely cleared from the ruins of the Iranian nuclear program but you claim President Trump is a craven coward.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I agree.

This conflict started back in 2014 when western Ukraine including Crimea "revolted" with support from Russia to rejoin Russia. Who was President in 2014? Barack Obama in his second term. Then in February 2022 Russia began a full-scale invasion of the remainder of Ukraine. Who was President at that time? Joe Biden. Notice the gap between 2016 - 2020? Who was President then? Donald Trump in his first term.

I point this out because people seem to be blaming Trump for the situation in Ukraine. That's funny when the initial invasion, and subsequent renewal of the conflict occurred under two Democrat Presidents. Now people seem to think it is Trump's responsibility to try to clean it up.

As far as I am concerned Ukraine is not our problem. They are not a part of NATO and have never been. Anything we do is simply out of the goodness of our hearts, and yet we have people on the Left acting like it is all Trump's failure if he doesn't successfully do what neither Obama nor Biden could.
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forget the idiots who blame Trump or cheer because no successful peace deal.. I just dont want mission creep
 
jpn said:
100 percent.

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’ by Russia​
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The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.​
​
They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the front line in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.​
[...]​
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During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.​
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nypost.com

Trump denies demanding Zelensky cede entire Donbas region — but endorses a freeze of the current front lines

President Trump has denied telling President Volodymyr Zelensky he should surrender Ukraine’s entire Donbas region to Russia to end the war — insisting “we never discussed it” dur…
nypost.com nypost.com
 
jpn said:
The New York Post is almost as reliable as Fox "News."
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or you could actually see his quote -but why bother 'eh?
“We think that what they should do is just stop at the lines where they are — the battle lines. The rest is very tough to negotiate if you’re going to say, ‘You take this, we take that’. There are just so many different permutations,” he continued.
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AZRWinger said:
No, that was Biden who refused to negotiate with Putin who controls the world's largest nuclear arsenal.

Putin speaks for Russia. He has a policy that the country suppling weapons to the Ukraine will be held responsible when they are used in the Russian interior.
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You sound scared.
 
roberthughey said:
Bullshit.

Why didn't Biden provide them?

Bye!
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And there is also that what Biden did provide Ukraine, he restricted how they could be used, allegedly not wanting to escalate. And he held off approval of our allies giving Ukraine F-16 fighter jets until his last year in office.
 
AZRWinger said:
The smoke has barely cleared from the ruins of the Iranian nuclear program but you claim President Trump is a craven coward.
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Yeah. He should do something useful like defend Ukraine, instead of getting involved in stupid side quests in the Middle East that he doesn't even care about himself.
 
jpn said:
100 percent.

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’ by Russia​
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The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.​
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They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the front line in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.​
[...]​
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During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.​
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Sounds like President Grandpa didn't take his meds that morning.
 
anatta said:
or you could actually see his quote -but why bother 'eh?
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Trump's a liar. Or haven't you been paying attention?

Of course he denied it. What else was he going to say?
"Vladimir would be mad at me if I don't parrot his talking points?"
"Vladimir wouldn't let me build properties in Russia if I don't parrot his talking points?"
"Vladimir would publish all the kompromat he has on me if I don't parrot his talking points?"
"Vladimir said authoritarians need to stick together?"
"Vladimir said if I parrot his talking points he'd nominate me for the Nobel Peace Prize?"
"Vladimir told me, Sir, everyone is saying that my talking points are true?"
 
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Roadvirus said:
Sounds like President Grandpa didn't take his meds that morning.
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Nah, he just talked with his good buddy in Moscow. Suddenly he sees everything much differently. Funny how that works.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I agree.

This conflict started back in 2014 when western Ukraine including Crimea "revolted" with support from Russia to rejoin Russia. Who was President in 2014? Barack Obama in his second term. Then in February 2022 Russia began a full-scale invasion of the remainder of Ukraine. Who was President at that time? Joe Biden. Notice the gap between 2016 - 2020? Who was President then? Donald Trump in his first term.

I point this out because people seem to be blaming Trump for the situation in Ukraine. That's funny when the initial invasion, and subsequent renewal of the conflict occurred under two Democrat Presidents. Now people seem to think it is Trump's responsibility to try to clean it up.

As far as I am concerned Ukraine is not our problem. They are not a part of NATO and have never been. Anything we do is simply out of the goodness of our hearts, and yet we have people on the Left acting like it is all Trump's failure if he doesn't successfully do what neither Obama nor Biden could.
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No one's blaming TACO for starting the war.

He promised he'd end it tho. He said he knew how, had a plan. "I point this out because people seem" to forget that he only claimed that to get elected. He doesnt give shit about Ukraine, he only wants credit for ending the conflict and he desperately wants to maintain is (imagined or real) buddy-buddy relationship with Putin.

TACO bragged he could end it, promised he had a plan, used it for his own ends, and now has failed over and over. He should be held accountable for his outright lying...but he never is. People turn into 🥨s to defend him, your post is an example.
 
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