Democrats push to eliminate the debt ceiling, allow unlimited government borrowing

[Nickyjo]

There you go again, by what standards is California doing well and what exactly does that have to do with the OP?

Someone was knocking California, so I decided to defend it. As I noted, one of our problems is the prosperity that we have created has exacerbated income gaps, and competition from so many who are doing well has ballooned housing costs. In progressive places we are trying to deal with this, creating denser housing. Trump naturally stoked (presumably racial) fear that housing density would make “suburban housewives nervous.
Let me see if I have this right, you are doing ok therefore that negates all the social problems in your state and gives you the right to attack Trump and the federal gov't?

See above. I attack Trump, not the federal government, because he is a long time, obvious, lying crook who can’t admit he lost any election, who uses fascist-like rhetoric to attack various groups, who has expressed support for torture and suggested the US should commit war crimes we hanged Germans for.

Do you even know what progressive taxation is? Why again are you ignoring that over 50% of income earning Americans don't pay ANY FIT and still there is enough revenue to fund the items FIT and CIT were created to fund?

As I posted, I think all of us should pay some taxes, however minimal, and I would in addition, eliminate just about all deductions, even those that benefit me. Somehow I doubt that over 50% of those who earn money don’t pay taxes. Perhaps we should support policies that raise wages.

 

[Conservative]

Someone was knocking California, so I decided to defend it. As I noted, one of our problems is the prosperity that we have created has exacerbated income gaps, and competition from so many who are doing well has ballooned housing costs. In progressive places we are trying to deal with this, creating denser housing. Trump naturally stoked (presumably racial) fear that housing density would make “suburban housewives nervous.
Let me see if I have this right, you are doing ok therefore that negates all the social problems in your state and gives you the right to attack Trump and the federal gov't?


See above. I attack Trump, not the federal government, because he is a long time, obvious, lying crook who can’t admit he lost any election, who uses fascist-like rhetoric to attack various groups, who has expressed support for torture and suggested the US should commit war crimes we hanged Germans for.

As I posted, I think all of us should pay some taxes, however minimal, and I would in addition, eliminate just about all deductions, even those that benefit me. Somehow I doubt that over 50% of those who earn money don’t pay taxes. Perhaps we should support policies that raise wages.

Are you really that clueless? Do you know what taxes you pay and their purpose? Check out what percentage of Income earning Americans pay FIT?

 

[Nickyjo]

Are you really that clueless? Do you know what taxes you pay and their purpose? Check out what percentage of Income earning Americans pay FIT?

Of course I do. Taxes pay for a too-big military, for Social Security and Medicare which benefit me, for FEMA which helps in disaster areas, for the CDC, etc. In short a mix of good and bad stuff, depending on how one looks at it. And as a burdened taxpayer, in my grief I still don’t want to change places with those too poor (or even too rich) to pay taxes.

 

[Conservative]

Of course I do. Taxes pay for a too-big military, for Social Security and Medicare which benefit me, for FEMA which helps in disaster areas, for the CDC, etc. In short a mix of good and bad stuff, depending on how one looks at it. And as a burdened taxpayer, in my grief I still don’t want to change places with those too poor (or even too rich) to pay taxes.

Which taxes? You don't know do you?

 

[Nickyjo]

Which taxes? You don't know do you?

Income, SS and Medicare taxes, and presumably other things like gas taxes that pay for freeways.

 

[Conservative]

Income, SS and Medicare taxes, and presumably other things like gas taxes that pay for freeways.

Right, income taxes do not fund entitlements, sent you the link and showed you how much the discretionary budget was and treasury shows how much revenue FIT and CIT generated supporting my claim that FIT And CIT rate cuts did NOT create the deficit, entitlement spending did. As for wages your state sets the wages for businesses and even with those high wages your state leads the nation in poverty. You need to stop buying the rhetoric and buy the OP headlines.

 

[jpn]

Rather than blame the Republicans who haven't had legislative control in your state since the 1980's better solve your own problems instead of giving us people like Harris on the national level

What, like the great conservative experiment in Governor Brownback's Kansas, where complete Republican control and strict adherence to slash and burn budgeting led to catastrophic deficits? They only recovered after reversing conservative idiotic supply-side crap.

Louisiana under Jindal and Oklahoma experienced similar sad results from following misguided Republican economics.

 

[jpn]

Right, income taxes do not fund entitlements,

They fund whatever congress says they fund.

 

[jpn]

Are you really that clueless? Do you know what taxes you pay and their purpose? Check out what percentage of Income earning Americans pay FIT?

Focussing on FIT is silly. We need to see the total tax bill from all sources when discussing taxes.

 

[Conservative]

What, like the great conservative experiment in Governor Brownback's Kansas, where complete Republican control and strict adherence to slash and burn budgeting led to catastrophic deficits? They only recovered after reversing conservative idiotic supply-side crap.

Louisiana under Jindal and Oklahoma experienced similar sad results from following misguided Republican economics.

California isn't Kansas and your lack of context hatred of people keeping more of what they earn is stunning. So sorry, send your Trump tax rate cut back. What causes deficits? TOO FRICKEN MUCH SPENDING. What happened in Kansas is what happened in the US as is typical you ignored, FIT AND CIT REVENUE GREW!!!! How about responding to the OP and the verifiable treasury results?

 

[Conservative]

They fund whatever congress says they fund.

Yes, operating expenses of the US, I gave you the link but NO the taxes fund what they were created to fund and FIT and CIT weren't created to fund entitlement programs that don't go to ALL Americans

 

[jpn]

What happened in Kansas is what happened in the US as is typical you ignored, FIT AND CIT REVENUE GREW!!!!

Federal income tax is irrelevant to the Kansas state budget. Duh.

Yes, operating expenses of the US, I gave you the link but NO the taxes fund what they were created to fund and FIT and CIT weren't created to fund entitlement programs that don't go to ALL Americans

FIT and corporate taxes go to the US Treasury. From there they go where needed under law (unless they're illegally held by a president to try to blackmail an allied nation to dig up dirt on his political enemy). If you don't like it, ask Congress to change it.

 

[jpn]

Here's how silly the House GOP is. McCarthy promised to balance the budget in ten years. Then they promised not to touch SS or Medicare. They've also pledged not to touch defense spending, veterans’ pensions, nor to allow the Trump tax cuts to lapse.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office ran the numbers on those promises at the Democrats’ request. To keep all those pledges, Republicans would literally have to eliminate everything — everything — else the government does. No more Homeland Security, no more Border Patrol or FBI, no more Coast Guard, air traffic control or federal funds for education or highways, no agricultural programs, no housing, food or disaster assistance, no cancer research or veterans’ health care, no diplomacy or space exploration, no courts — and no Congress.​

Defund the police? This is defund America. Even then, Republicans would still be in the red after 10 years.​

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I suspect we'll be waiting for the Republican's deficit-reducing plans for a long time, all the while being entertained by their clueless threats and diversions about not extending the debt ceiling.

 

[Conservative]

Federal income tax is irrelevant to the Kansas state budget. Duh.

and still the FIT revenue grew AFTER the Tax cuts and fully funded the discretionary budget

FIT and corporate taxes go to the US Treasury. From there they go where needed under law. If you don't like it, ask Congress to change it.

Like it or not? that is your problem you think that FIT and CIT fund Entitlements and THEY DON'T

 

[jpn]

and still the FIT revenue grew AFTER the Tax cuts and fully funded the discretionary budget

What are you even talking about, regarding Kansas and Brownback's disastrous experiment?

 

[jpn]

Like it or not? that is your problem you think that FIT and CIT fund Entitlements and THEY DON'T

Actually, they do (doctors and hospitals and the elderly aren't given IOUs. They are given cash). You just don't like that they do.

 

[Conservative]

What are you even talking about, regarding Kansas and Brownback's disastrous experiment?

Pretty simple, why don't you post the debt in Kansas and what that has to do with the FIT and CIT tax cuts?

 

[Conservative]

Actually, they do (doctors and hospitals and the elderly aren't given IOUs. They are given cash). You just don't like that they do.

That is because you believe in the unified budget and SS and Medicare were never funded by FIT and CIT nor should they be as they aren't operating expenses of the US Gov't nor are they benefits received by all Americans like the operating expenses of the gov't are

 

[jpn]

What causes deficits? TOO FRICKEN MUCH SPENDING.

Your red state colleagues are not on board, it seems...

Red-state voters back Medicaid expansion, extending ACA coverage​

South Dakota may be one of the nation's reddest red states, but its voters embraced Medicaid expansion through the ACA anyway.​

If the state successfully expands Medicaid through the ACA, an estimated 600,000 low-income North Carolinians will finally have access to affordable health care.​

 

[jpn]

That is because you believe in the unified budget and SS and Medicare were never funded by FIT and CIT nor should they be as they aren't operating expenses of the US Gov't nor are they benefits received by all Americans like the operating expenses of the gov't are

One man's opinion. And worth about this much.

 

[Conservative]

Your red state colleagues are not on board, it seems...

Red-state voters back Medicaid expansion, extending ACA coverage​

South Dakota may be one of the nation's reddest red states, but its voters embraced Medicaid expansion through the ACA anyway.​

If the state successfully expands Medicaid through the ACA, an estimated 600,000 low-income North Carolinians will finally have access to affordable health care.​

And still FIT which does Fund Medicaid in PARTNERSHIP with the states generated enough revenue to pay for all those expenses.

 

[Conservative]

One man's opinion. And worth about this...much.

The Constitution is quite clear as are the results of the tax generation legislation. Being Constitutionally challenged isn't a good excuse for economic ignorance

 

[jpn]

And still FIT which does Fund Medicaid in PARTNERSHIP with the states generated enough revenue to pay for all those expenses.

Show me what you mean.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Right, income taxes do not fund entitlements, sent you the link and showed you how much the discretionary budget was and treasury shows how much revenue FIT and CIT generated supporting my claim that FIT And CIT rate cuts did NOT create the deficit, entitlement spending did. As for wages your state sets the wages for businesses and even with those high wages your state leads the nation in poverty. You need to stop buying the rhetoric and buy the OP headlines.

Social Security is not going away. Accept this fact and move on. If you don't like it, you don't have to apply for it.

 

[jpn]

The Constitution is quite clear as are the results of the tax generation legislation. Being Constitutionally challenged isn't a good excuse for economic ignorance

If that were true, why are the six Republican political operatives on the SC so quiescent on this point?

Oh, and you're losing the argument when you resort to childish personal attacks.