Democrats must be VERY forgetful

[mike2810]

victims of fake news everywhere...

the reason you don't think Biden is corrupt is because the mainstream media doesn't inform anyone about the bad that Democrats do

21th Century "Journalism" 101

What sources should one use? What do you use to stay informed?

Asking as an independent.

 

[uptower]

Long list of already debunked / addressed stuff, as is typical from you.

There's a lot of awful stuff being posted in Political Cartoons

You can call what he said 'addressed' - one way or another - but none of it has been debunked: it's all on public record.

 

[eohrnberger]

You can call what he said 'addressed' - one way or another - but none of it has been debunked: it's all on public record.

At least what the politically biased media as been portraying as being in the public record, not that you should trust a word that comes out of their mouths.

Specifically to meeting with Russians, what was discussed was orphans (not political dirt was shared) (public record per congressional testimony), talking to Russians to get political dirt (that would Hillary & DNC and the Steel dossier fabrication), 'meeting with Putin in private with no translator, what the hell would you do when the bureaucracy continues to sabotage your administration with damaging leaks? Leaks designed to damage, containing mischaracterized 1/2 truths? Ones that are debunked within a few days.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Sit down and watch the movie of 2016.

 

[Tbird19482]

At least what the politically biased media as been portraying as being in the public record, not that you should trust a word that comes out of their mouths.

Specifically to meeting with Russians, what was discussed was orphans (not political dirt was shared) (public record per congressional testimony), talking to Russians to get political dirt (that would Hillary & DNC and the Steel dossier fabrication), 'meeting with Putin in private with no translator, what the hell would you do when the bureaucracy continues to sabotage your administration with damaging leaks? Leaks designed to damage, containing mischaracterized 1/2 truths? Ones that are debunked within a few days.

So we should just trust Trump?
How do we know that he didn't give some of our most secret secrets away?
There was NO other American there , Not even an American interpreter.
Just like when he has a dozen or so Russians in the White House.
How do we know they didn't plant a high tech bug ( one we have no Idea about or how to detect them or how they work ) one that could still be there working and undetectable with what we have to find them?
One that could still be working and giving them all kinds of secrets.
There were about a dozen Russians there so How could Trump keep an eye on all of them or know what they were talking about ?
seeing he didn't have an American interpreter there.
as far as we know he could have given them all kind of things , and there is NO way of us knowing for sure
Trump could be one of our biggest traitors we have had in years
Just something to think about
Have a nice afternoon

 

[eohrnberger]

So we should just trust Trump?
How do we know that he didn't give some of our most secret secrets away?
There was NO other American there , Not even an American interpreter.
Just like when he has a dozen or so Russians in the White House.
How do we know they didn't plant a high tech bug ( one we have no Idea about or how to detect them or how they work ) one that could still be there working and undetectable with what we have to find them?
One that could still be working and giving them all kinds of secrets.
There were about a dozen Russians there so How could Trump keep an eye on all of them or know what they were talking about ?
seeing he didn't have an American interpreter there.
as far as we know he could have given them all kind of things , and there is NO way of us knowing for sure
Trump could be one of our biggest traitors we have had in years
Just something to think about
Have a nice afternoon

Not much to think about really.

Trust Trump? Everyone has their own take on that. Frankly, I don't trust anyone in DC, politics, or the media.

Other than that, a lot of CT or near CT level of speculation.

 

[uptower]

At least what the politically biased media as been portraying as being in the public record, not that you should trust a word that comes out of their mouths.

Specifically to meeting with Russians, what was discussed was orphans (not political dirt was shared) (public record per congressional testimony), talking to Russians to get political dirt (that would Hillary & DNC and the Steel dossier fabrication), 'meeting with Putin in private with no translator, what the hell would you do when the bureaucracy continues to sabotage your administration with damaging leaks? Leaks designed to damage, containing mischaracterized 1/2 truths? Ones that are debunked within a few days.

Specifically on the meeting the Mueller report established it was for potential dirt on Clinton, not orphans - which also would have been at least highly unethical shadow diplomacy. Now despite the intent the Trump campaign felt it was insufficient to take and use but the intent has been established nonetheless.

Seriously who believes a man so corrupt and so disinterested in policy, much less the wellbeing of others for whom he has consistently shown scant regard, sent his equally corrupt son to discuss f***ing orphans.

 

[jaeger19]

So Trump leaving Comey in place for as long as he did was 'thwarting' the investigation? That doesn't seem to add up.

Sure, Trump caffed against the Mueller investigation, on Twitter and otherwise publicly. Who wouldn't if one believes themselves to be innocent?
But did not this investigation complete to its own conclusion it its own due time?



You seem to ignore the already well documented instances of prosecutorial and investigative malfeasances associated not only with the Mueller special counsel investigation but also with the 'Crossfire Hurricane' investigation, who's predication still remains in doubt and which was clearly demonstrated as politically motivated with Strzok's plea to keep it open in spite of the FBI's '5th floor' having already decided to close it down, after not having found anything substantial.



What is ironic is that you are ignoring the already well documented instances of prosecutorial and investigative malfeasances I've listed and then turn around and claim that these institutions are fully and properly functioning within the law. At that time, in those efforts, they were clearly not.

I'd only point out that 'acting like a corrupt ..lying..politician', being accused of 'being a corrupt ..lying..politician', and actually being 'a corrupt ..lying..politician' are 3 completely different things. I make no assertion that Trump is perfect, far from it. It is clear that he has many human frailties and flaws as does everyone else. Those human frailties and flaws do not equal 'being corrupt ..lying..politician'. That too, are 2 different things.

Specific to the Hunter Biden case, it would appear that there's reasonable suspicion and predicate to investigate, and the FBI is. Good.

You've also not dispelled the obvious conflict of interests Biden's AG will find himself on day 1 of the administration. I think this obvious conflict of interest is more than sufficient grounds for the appointment of a special counsel for that case, as this is exactly what the special counsel role is for.

1. Yes. Trump took office in the tail end of January and fired comey in may..largely over the fact he would not be influenced by trump over the Russian investigation.
2 why would Trump care about an i vestigation of the Russians trying to meddle in our elections if he was innocent? The investigation wasn't about him..it was about Russian meddling. If he was innocent.. why would he think its an investigation of him?
Heck..you think he would be gung ho.. find all this Russian meddling and hang it all over the Democrats since it happened on obamas watch.
If you were in a group of people and it was announced that there was going to be an investigation into who was dealing drugs..and the guy next to you started saying..."this is a witch hunt against ME." Would you think he was innocent? Or would you think he might have involvement with drugs or drug dealing?
Trumps complaints against the investigation could only logically be for two reasons. He WAS guilty of collusion. Or he has ties with russia..and though he didn't collude to influence the election... he had something to gain from the Russians
3. The hunter Biden investigation has been going on for some time. However..barr doesn't have the authority to announce a special prosecuter since HE doesn't have a conflict of interest. It will be up to the next AG to determine if HE/She has a conflict of interest and thus either recuse themselves and let the deputy attorney General appoint one..or to simply appoint one. I would not be surprised if this becomes an issue with the senate confirmation hearings.

 

[eohrnberger]

Specifically on the meeting the Mueller report established it was for potential dirt on Clinton, not orphans - which also would have been at least highly unethical shadow diplomacy. Now despite the intent the Trump campaign felt it was insufficient to take and use but the intent has been established nonetheless.

Indent is very difficult to prove. What has been testified to was that only orphans were discussed and also that no political dirt was exchanged.
Hillary and the DNC did in fact pay for the fabricated Steel dossier and it was from a Russian, ex-Russian specifically, source.
So on the basis of these facts, seems that Hillary and the DNC are more in collusion with Russians than anyone else.

Seriously who believes a man so corrupt and so disinterested in policy, much less the wellbeing of others for whom he has consistently shown scant regard, sent his equally corrupt son to discuss f***ing orphans.

I'm not blinded by TDS. Please see above about the orphans.

 

[eohrnberger]

1. Yes. Trump took office in the tail end of January and fired comey in may..largely over the fact he would not be influenced by trump over the Russian investigation.
2 why would Trump care about an i vestigation of the Russians trying to meddle in our elections if he was innocent? The investigation wasn't about him..it was about Russian meddling. If he was innocent.. why would he think its an investigation of him?

The absentia conviction of Russians was little more than a side show, cover for the continuation of the questionably predicated Crossfire Hurricane investigation Strok and Page started and insisted on continuing, their 'Insurance Policy', if you recall.

Heck..you think he would be gung ho.. find all this Russian meddling and hang it all over the Democrats since it happened on obamas watch.
If you were in a group of people and it was announced that there was going to be an investigation into who was dealing drugs..and the guy next to you started saying..."this is a witch hunt against ME." Would you think he was innocent? Or would you think he might have involvement with drugs or drug dealing?

So now we are doing guilt and conviction by innuendo?

Trumps complaints against the investigation could only logically be for two reasons. He WAS guilty of collusion. Or he has ties with russia..and though he didn't collude to influence the election... he had something to gain from the Russians
3. The hunter Biden investigation has been going on for some time. However..barr doesn't have the authority to announce a special prosecuter since HE doesn't have a conflict of interest. It will be up to the next AG to determine if HE/She has a conflict of interest and thus either recuse themselves and let the deputy attorney General appoint one..or to simply appoint one. I would not be surprised if this becomes an issue with the senate confirmation hearings.

Whether Barr's declaration of Durham having special counsel status holds or not, we'll have to see. If may very well be something that he doesn't have the authority to do. I don't know. We'll have to see.

If you expect Biden's AG to declare a conflict of interest and a special counsel, I wouldn't hold my breath for it if I were you. But at least you admit that Biden's AG would be in this conflict of interests situation.

 

[uptower]

Indent is very difficult to prove. What has been testified to was that only orphans were discussed and also that no political dirt was exchanged.
Hillary and the DNC did in fact pay for the fabricated Steel dossier and it was from a Russian, ex-Russian specifically, source.
So on the basis of these facts, seems that Hillary and the DNC are more in collusion with Russians than anyone else.

Intent was nevertheless established, but under DOJ guidelines the office of the special counsel apparently cannot indict a sitting president; Congress chose not to act. It is a matter of record and it's right there in the investigation's report, regardless.

Deflecting onto Clinton is easy yet Trump's DOJ had four years to investigate her and it didn't even try.

 

[CaughtInThe]

i'd say we're gonna get a TON of new info about all things Trump (personal, financial, political) over the next 12 months. it's gonna be crazy.

 

[eohrnberger]

Intent was nevertheless established, but under DOJ guidelines the office of the special counsel apparently cannot indict a sitting president; Congress chose not to act. It is a matter of record and it's right there in the investigation's report, regardless.

Be that as it may, not being able to indict a sitting president, since when don't political campaigns conduct opposition research?
Wasn't Hillary's DNC seeking, and paying for, that same sort of information on their political opposition?
Just because a campaign may receive such questionable 'information' the decision point whether to use it or not still needs to be made. Seems Hillary's DNC decided to deploy it, shoving into every open government orifice, where if the other campaign obtained any similar information didn't deploy it.

This is really starting to look like the kettle calling the pot black.

Deflecting onto Clinton is easy yet Trump's DOJ had four years to investigate her and it didn't even try.

Lest we forget that Durham's investigation continues with it's current special counsel status, and besides that, it's not 'Deflecting onto Clinton' when she's in the middle of it all, the instigation of it all.

 

[Integrityrespec]

i'd say we're gonna get a TON of new info about all things Trump (personal, financial, political) over the next 12 months. it's gonna be crazy.

Only because the left will forever try to justify the actions they took during the Trump presidency. The democrats are always trying to hide their dirt by crying foul on someone else. Where is the investigation into China Collusion with democrats? Fienstien and Swalwell had Chinese spies working in their offices,and yet no investigations.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Only because the left will forever try to justify the actions they took during the Trump presidency. The democrats are always trying to hide their dirt by crying foul on someone else. Where is the investigation into China Collusion with democrats? Fienstien and Swalwell had Chinese spies working in their offices,and yet no investigations.

do you think Donald Trump has broken US laws (professionally)?

 

[eohrnberger]

Only because the left will forever try to justify the actions they took during the Trump presidency. The democrats are always trying to hide their dirt by crying foul on someone else. Where is the investigation into China Collusion with democrats? Fienstien and Swalwell had Chinese spies working in their offices,and yet no investigations.

The bureaucracy doesn't want investigations into these things? Just guessing.

 

[Praxas]

Only because the left will forever try to justify the actions they took during the Trump presidency. The democrats are always trying to hide their dirt by crying foul on someone else. Where is the investigation into China Collusion with democrats?

Trump deserves everything that has happened because it was due to his OWN ACTIONS. We know you support lawlessness as long as it is a Republican doing it.

Fienstien and Swalwell had Chinese spies working in their offices,and yet no investigations.

Notice your comments lack integrity and respect. Your comments are nothing but pathetic lies. But you're a Trump supporter so we don't expect honesty or integrity from your comments.

 

[iguanaman]

Biden's cult shows up defending him as if the term is a pejorative.

We have always been here and will still be here long after Biden is gone. It's called being an American and you should try it sometime. Americans don't EVER embrace a personality over our Republic and that's why the only "cult" we embrace is our Stars and Stripes. Mess with it and you will feel our wraith. Happy new year BTW

 

[jaeger19]

The absentia conviction of Russians was little more than a side show, cover for the continuation of the questionably predicated Crossfire Hurricane investigation Strok and Page started and insisted on continuing, their 'Insurance Policy', if you recall.



So now we are doing guilt and conviction by innuendo?


Whether Barr's declaration of Durham having special counsel status holds or not, we'll have to see. If may very well be something that he doesn't have the authority to do. I don't know. We'll have to see.

If you expect Biden's AG to declare a conflict of interest and a special counsel, I wouldn't hold my breath for it if I were you. But at least you admit that Biden's AG would be in this conflict of interests situation.

1. The convictions were do to the evidence that the Russians muddled in our politics.
If you think convicting foreign nationals who are trying to change our democratic elections..a side show...
Well..how sad.
2. Well..I'll tell you what ..how about you give me a better hypothesis? If Trump truly is innocent of collusion..and doesn't have any ties to russia that benefit him..
Why would he be upset at an investigation into Russian interference in our election.
Why would he publicly say he believes putin over 17 us intelligence agencies.
Why would he fluff over reports that Russia was paying bounties for king us servicemen?
Why when multiple us intelligence and law enforcement confirm that Russia just recently hacked the usa...why did trump disagree and claim. " it was china"?
Cripes man.. you concoct a whole conspiracy with Biden and his son with zero evidence..
And ignore the evidence of trumps love affair with russia.
But go ahead lets here this alternative theory of yours regarding trump and Russia.

 

[The Mark]

ha ha... that's hilarious.

Let me re-phrase that for you: Biden does not have the baggage of Clinton because CNN and/or other msm have told us NOTHING about any baggage...

ha ha...

Ignorance is bliss

(but only for a time)

That's the same thing though.

Clinton and various accusations and/or conspiracies about how evil she was were talked about for literal decades before she ran for president.

Biden doesn't have that.

 

[eohrnberger]

1. The convictions were do to the evidence that the Russians muddled in our politics.
If you think convicting foreign nationals who are trying to change our democratic elections..a side show...
Well..how sad.

A side show in as much as they would never stand trial.

2. Well..I'll tell you what ..how about you give me a better hypothesis? If Trump truly is innocent of collusion..and doesn't have any ties to russia that benefit him..
Why would he be upset at an investigation into Russian interference in our election.
Why would he publicly say he believes putin over 17 us intelligence agencies.
Why would he fluff over reports that Russia was paying bounties for king us servicemen?
Why when multiple us intelligence and law enforcement confirm that Russia just recently hacked the usa...why did trump disagree and claim. " it was china"?
Cripes man.. you concoct a whole conspiracy with Biden and his son with zero evidence..

AN active FBI criminal investigation isn't based on zero evidence, nor is email communication which documents that 'The Big Guy' (apparently Hunter's common reference to Joe).

And ignore the evidence of trumps love affair with russia.
But go ahead lets here this alternative theory of yours regarding trump and Russia.

All these instances 'buttering up' other foreign leaders, just a crude attempt trying to manipulate them.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Trump deserves everything that has happened because it was due to his OWN ACTIONS. We know you support lawlessness as long as it is a Republican doing it.

Hang on. Everyone is out to get Donald Trump so nothing can be his fault.

He's the victim of all victims.

 

[jaeger19]

A side show in as much as they would never stand trial.

AN active FBI criminal investigation isn't based on zero evidence, nor is email communication which documents that 'The Big Guy' (apparently Hunter's common reference to Joe).

All these instances 'buttering up' other foreign leaders, just a crude attempt trying to manipulate them.

Wow..
He is buttering up..russia? He is the one being manipulated ..not the other way around
You don't put us security at risk..and American lives at risk to butter up a foreign power that is essentially v attacking the us.
Think of the damage done when the president of the United States..in public tells the world he doesn't trust 17 us intelligence agencies. When the us has credible intelligence on say a terrorist cell and we want cooperation from another country...they can say...hey..even your own president doesn't trust them..so no way are we cooperating.
Hunter Biden has been investigated for tax issues for a year. And supposedly some emails...and you come up with a giant conspiracy..
Trump bends over for Russia at almost every turn..even when it hurts us security..and you let it slide.

 

[eohrnberger]

Wow..
He is buttering up..russia? He is the one being manipulated ..not the other way around

'Trying' to 'butter up', yeah. Oh I'm sure there's manipulation attempts both ways, I'd say that there's never a case where it isn't present.

You don't put us security at risk..and American lives at risk to butter up a foreign power that is essentially v attacking the us.

'us security at risk..and American lives at risk'?
Really? When do you think this occured? What actions do you think did this?

The Russians have been meddling in, and causing chaos in, US elections since before the Cold War started. Nothing new here. What is new though is their adoption of the IT toolset in doing so.

Think of the damage done when the president of the United States..in public tells the world he doesn't trust 17 us intelligence agencies.

Not surprising that Trump doesn't trust the IC. They were, after all, in on the spying on the campaign, and they are rife with politically interested bureaucrats. WHere do you think all those damaging leaks designed to sabotage that administration came from? Aren't federal government bureaucrats sworn to work for, and at the direction of, the legitimately and legally elected president of the administration? So the sabotage leaks are in violation of that, wouldn't they be?

And yet, you expect and demand that he would still trust them? Seems to me they've done everything to destroy any possible trust in them.

When the us has credible intelligence on say a terrorist cell and we want cooperation from another country...they can say...hey..even your own president doesn't trust them..so no way are we cooperating.
Hunter Biden has been investigated for tax issues for a year. And supposedly some emails...and you come up with a giant conspiracy..

Trump bends over for Russia at almost every turn..even when it hurts us security..and you let it slide.

Yeah, right.

Trump has not been ‘soft’ on Russia. He’s been tougher than Obama.

Opinions on that would seem to differ.

 

[jaeger19]

'Trying' to 'butter up', yeah. Oh I'm sure there's manipulation attempts both ways, I'd say that there's never a case where it isn't present.



'us security at risk..and American lives at risk'?
Really? When do you think this occured? What actions do you think did this?

The Russians have been meddling in, and causing chaos in, US elections since before the Cold War started. Nothing new here. What is new though is their adoption of the IT toolset in doing so.



Not surprising that Trump doesn't trust the IC. They were, after all, in on the spying on the campaign, and they are rife with politically interested bureaucrats. WHere do you think all those damaging leaks designed to sabotage that administration came from? Aren't federal government bureaucrats sworn to work for, and at the direction of, the legitimately and legally elected president of the administration? So the sabotage leaks are in violation of that, wouldn't they be?

And yet, you expect and demand that he would still trust them? Seems to me they've done everything to destroy any possible trust in them.






Yeah, right.

Trump has not been ‘soft’ on Russia. He’s been tougher than Obama.

Opinions on that would seem to differ.

When trump calls into question us intelligence credibility..he puts us lives at risk. We often need to act on us intelligence abroad to save American lives..and we need foreign cooperation often to do it. When trump claims that us intelligence is not credible before the whole world..he puts us lives at risk.
Wow..no..no.no.no.no..the Federal law enforcement nor and intelligence community ARE NOT SWORN TO THE PRESIDENT..
THEY ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD THE LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!
Cripes sake man..they are not to be stooges for an authoritarian president whomever is elected.