I don't think easy was saying you didn't have the right to speak. Certainly you do. You have the right to say whatever you like. Just as easy has the right to see it as disrespectful.aps said:But give me a break. Disrepsect? It's called free speech.
KCConservative said:I don't think easy was saying you didn't have the right to speak. Certainly you do. You have the right to say whatever you like. Just as easy has the right to see it as disrespectful.
aps said:This is America. We are entitled to speak our minds and disagree with the president as we see fit particularly when this president is trying to rule this country like a dictatorship.
Actuallly, the LEGAL definition of treason is 'aiding and abetting an enemy of the United states', which is further defined as 'providing aid and comfort to the enemy, attacking the nation's resolve and military's morale, especially in a time of war'! Dean declaring the U.S. can not win fits that description. Dick durbing using what he believes is a classified document, that turns out to be an opinionated e-mail, to call American troops in combat the equivalent to nazis and genocidal regimes FITS THAT DEFINITION! John kerry on a late night talk show calling our troops in Iraq 'TERRORISTS' fits that definition of treason! That isn't a talking point, my friend, THAT is from the legal definition of TREASON!aps said:Aiding and abetting the enemy? Sorry, that's just a repulican talking point.
What went on at Quantanamo was HUMILIATION - It was NOT torture! (It was also extremely wrong, and the wrong-doers have been punished!) Playing loud music and 12-13 hours of sleep deprivation in a 24-hour day is NOT torture. Providing prayers rugs, Qurans, and medial treatment and better food than many Americans get is NOT torture! Being walked on a dog collar while naked is humiliation! Being beheaded on live video is torture!aps said:The torture that occurred at Guantanamo was shocking, particularly because we all thought that Americans were better than that.
The Democrats and liberals out there have pushed the limit of "Freedom of Speech" past the breaking point, aps! 'Freedom of speech is now a hypocritical tool for the Democrats. Much like the infamous (NON-)leak of Plame's well-known secret Identity was a crime and was forced down our throats day in and day out while investigations were called for every day; meanwhile, after another and more serious leak revealed a secret program used againstterrorists to keep us safe/defend America, the Democrats and liberals BURY that story because it doesn't help them go after the President!aps said:But give me a break. Disrepsect? It's called free speech.
jfuh said:This thread belongs in the basement of flame.
Only more provacation and falming from Easy and other fundamentalists on this site to bash liberalism.
Probably from the denial that liberalist ideals are all around them on a daily basis. All that pent up frustration must be killing them.
Pathetic
If you were presenting it in a non-bashing nature sure it's worthy of debate. But all you have shown thus far is provacation. Delete this whole thread? Good idea.easyt65 said:Thank you for that nice opinion, but I quoted the legal definition of 'treason' and gave reasons why Democratic party members' actions meet the criteria. I even debated how many of the practices of liberals, like the teachers forcing their agenda, bush-bashing, and philosophies down our school kids' throats, are over the line. Schools seem to agree as they are laying off these lib teachers left and right. Meanwhile, you fail to address any of it but pass it off instead as a rant, telling all of us that it isn't worth discussion because YOU say so! H@ll, in that case, someone delete the whole thread! The Liberal has spoken!
jfuh said:If you were presenting it in a non-bashing nature sure it's worthy of debate. But all you have shown thus far is provacation. Delete this whole thread? Good idea.
easyt65 said:"Never before, arguably to this extent, has there been the level of THIS much disrespect been given to a President and to the U.S. military during a time of war."
easyt65 said:One U.S. Congressman has made this statement. Examples he cited include:
- The Democratic Party's continuous attack on a President during a time of war, equivalent to aiding and abetting the enemy.'
Who?easyt65 said:- Democratic Senators calling our troops terrorists and calling them the equivalent to Nazis and genocidal regemists.....
easyt65 said:- Liberals in schools teaching our kids Bush is equal to Hitler....
easyt65 said:- Liberal teachers holding Mock War Crimes Trials of the President in high schools, especially during a time of war...
easyt65 said:- the democrats (including Presidential candidates) attending Hollywood fund raisers during which stars compare the Pres. to male genetalia, then those politicians declaring THAT is what the Democratic party is all about.....
Blasphemy :roll:She then added: "He's (George) learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What's worse, it was a male horse."
easyt65 said:I personally agree with him, that the level of disrespect has reached monumental heights. Customs and coutrtesies and long-held traditions of civility between parties has been abandoned, thrown under the bus, in exchange for all out disrespect and personal/political attack! we would NEVER have seen the kindo of attacks against our troops and against our commander in chief inyears past, especially ina time of war!
HAS IT GONE TOO FAR? WHEN IS ENOUGH/TOO FAR?
hipsterdufus said:Bush's lies are costing Americans there lives on a daily basis.
At Conservative Forum on Bush, Everybody's a Critic
By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, March 8, 2006; A02
If the ancient political wisdom is correct that a charge unanswered is a charge agreed to, the Bush White House pleaded guilty yesterday at the Cato Institute to some extraordinary allegations.
"We did ask a few members of the Bush economic team to come," explained David Boaz, the think tank's executive vice president, as he moderated a discussion between two prominent conservatives about President Bush. "We didn't get that." . . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030701403.html
aps said:Are you serious, easy? You need help.
This is America. We are entitled to speak our minds and disagree with the president as we see fit particularly when this president is trying to rule this country like a dictatorship. Aiding and abetting the enemy? Sorry, that's just a repulican talking point. The torture that occurred at Guantanamo was shocking, particularly because we all thought that Americans were better than that.
I do agree that the Hollywood function was totally distasteful. I think they compared Bush to female genitalia, by the way. That forever changed my opinion of Whoopi Goldberg.
But give me a break. Disrepsect? It's called free speech.
Stu Ghatze said:Dear aps, ..perhaps YOU are the one that needs help! Free speech is not being denied to anybody.
It is the words, the nuances, & the disgusting level that the democrats & liberals have been engaging in that transends free speech.
Day after day, ..linking & hinting that president Bush is some monster, liar, cheat, murderer, dictator etc, ..& it has been going on for years now!
If YOU cannot see anything wrong with this behavior, ..than you have a real problem, ..not the person you replied to!
This is the level that the democratic party has sunk to, ..along with the "old media" that continues to crawl into bed with them, & then pretend that they are not biased!
aps said:Stu, my man. Where have you been? That comment to easy that I made about needing help was rude. So easy, I apologize.
Stu, read my post above yours. What do you have to say about those conservatives and what they said about Bush????
Willoughby said:well i don't think that this is really a time of war. Bush declared the war in Iraq over and you can't have a war on a noun..its just silly. You might be able to have counter-terrorist actions even a campaign against terrorists but a war on terror doesn't make sense.
Stu Ghatze said:THIS IS WHAT HAS KILLED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE SICK OF IT, ..but the democratic party leadership REFUSES to recognize this fact. No, ...in fact they PREFER having people believe that they are losing elections because of "fixed" elections or of some grand worldwide conspiracy that involves the GOP, & King George Bush for God's sakes!!
This is 2006, NOT 1865, or 1960 & this is America, & EVERYBODY has the SAME RIGHTS, & OPPORTUNITIES...& all the focus & attention on phoney issues, & gross distortions, false & misleading information that the far left (liberals) tries to lay at the feet of the GOP does not fit the evidence of their charges.
None of which proove anything, not to mention, plenty of outdated info that have been disprooven.easyt65 said:Wrong again, as usual, but since you want to hrear nothing from me and onlywant to see links you are too lazy to lo
Ok up yourself, here ya go:
Bin Laden Declares holy WAR on U.S
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/1999/06/12/015.html
1990: The Saudi government allows U.S. troops to be stationed in Saudi Arabia following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, which leads to the Persian Gulf War. Bin Laden is outraged by the U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia, considered the cradle of Islam, and begins to write treatises against the Saudi regime
February 1993: A bomb at the World Trade Center kills six and wounds hundreds. Six Muslim radicals, who U.S. officials suspect have links to bin Laden, are eventually convicted for the bombing.
October, 1993: 18 U.S. servicemen who are part of a humanitarian mission to Somalia are killed in an ambush in Mogadishu. Bin Laden later says that some of the Arab Afghans were involved in the killings and calls Americans "paper tigers" because they withdrew from Somalia shortly after the soldiers' deaths.
1995: A truck bombing at a military base in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, kills five Americans and two Indians.
1996: Bin Laden declares a jihad, or holy war, against U.S. forces. Nineteen U.S. soldiers die in a bombing of the Khobar military complex in Saudi Arabia. The United States indicts bin Laden on charges of training the people involved in the 1993 attack that killed 18 U.S. servicemen in Somalia.
1998: Bin Laden declares that Muslims should kill Americans, civilians included, wherever they can find them. On August 7, a pair of truck bombs explodes outside the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people.
2000: Algerian Ahmed Ressam pleads guilty in connection with a failed plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport during the millennium celebrations. He claims he was trained in urban warfare and explosives at an Afghanistan camp run by bin Laden.
October -- U.S.S. Cole bombed: 17 Americans dead, 39 Injured.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/people/shows/binladen/timeline.html
Hussein’s Link to Bin Ladden/Al Qaeda
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85256,00.html
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/30/iraq/main551632.shtml
Mother of all Connections:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp
As Bush said, the only way to defeat terrorism is to take away its support, its bases, and attack it wherever it exists before allowing it to come to us. Bin Laden declared war on the U.S. - he's still out there, and the war is still on! The war against the Hussein regime is over, but the battle against terrorism still rages as we fight Al Qaeda and insurgents in Iraq, who are trying to overthrow the new govt. of Iraq. Zarqawi, self-professed to be Bin Laden's General in Iraq, is still directing attacks and waging the war on the U.S. as well as Muslims in Iraq.
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