Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting [W:977, 1014]

[Saladin4]

Re: Democrats Immediately Call For Gun Control After Las Vegas Shooting

Hard to believe Nevada law allows "automatic weapons"....What is the reason for that?

 

[Bucky]

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Yes my beliefs are very "liberal" when it comes to gun rights. I believe it is unconstitutional to take away a felons right to bear arms. If he should not have a gun extend his probation otherwise let the man hunt and shoot.

Wow. Felons lose many rights and one of them should be the right to bear arms.

The right to vote is a more important right than bearing arms. A felon should have neither.

 

[TurtleDude]

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The fact is solutions already exist. The NRA however wants no part on reducing mass killings. Its bad for business and profits.

gee Bucky, the killer spent four days in that hotel, probably spent weeks planning this and intended to DIE

what sort of laws would have stopped him?

 

[TurtleDude]

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Wow. Felons lose many rights and one of them should be the right to bear arms.

The right to vote is a more important right than bearing arms. A felon should have neither.

OK felons cannot possess firearms in the USA due to 18 USC 922. yet many do

 

[GDViking]

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They were fully automatic? I'm doubting that.

No I have listened/watched footage and there is no doubt he was using full automatic weapons weapons.

 

[Nilly]

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Oh, we could improve the odds of it NOT happening. But those solutions revolve around such impractical things, we would never stand for it. Don’t want a guy to be able to unload his armory in your hotel room? Metal detectors and armed guards at every exit/entrance. School shootings? Armed guards, metal detectors and no unauthorized access. Bombs in stadiums? No backpacks. No brought in water bottles or bags. Metal detectors. Tougher sentencing. Swifter trials. It could be done.

At what price Freedom?

In the other thread you spoke about treating mental health, that this guy was mentally ill. I typed up a response but it wasn't really relevant to that specific thread so I deleted it, but I'll ask it here.

One of my frustrations with the Republican party is that they talk about how this is all a mental health issue, but are then happy to defund mental health institutions, throw people off of insurance, and enact policy that means that people who actually need mental health help, end up in prisons who cannot service their needs.

It is not economically profitable to give these people therapy or other mental health help. But it is socially profitable if that therapy prevents them from going on a shooting rampage. Therefore I believe that we as taxpayers would benefit from some of our taxpayer dollars going towards investment into treatment of mental health issues.

As a proponent of the theory that this is mainly a mental health issue, but also as a supporter of a POTUS and party who don't wish to put any investment in mental health, can you help me understand your position? Welcome other people's thoughts on this also.

 

[Lursa]

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For irony. You seem to miss the point. This kind of thing happens exponentially more here than it does anywhere else, and every time its the same bull**** response about "there is no way this could have been prevented". We have 4 to 5 times (or more) the murder rate here than you will find in any of our peer developed nations. Even nations like France which are targets of Islamic terrorism have a 1/4 of our murder rate.

And we have a way more deaths/injuries from cars...more than another country probably too, since we are so in love with our cars.

Time to limit who owns what cars and how many?

(And no, we dont 'need' them. If people were so concerned, there are many options and lifestyles, just like in other Western countries, to go without or use much less. But convenience overcomes THOSE numbers of dead.)

 

[Bucky]

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Hard to believe Nevada law allows "automatic weapons"....What is the reason for that?

Oh? You didn't hear? Any gun restrictions is a mass conspiracy to confiscate all guns. Also, we cannot restrict an individual's right to gain access to uzis and ak47s. It's a constitutional right!!!

 

[MTAtech]

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Oh, we could improve the odds of it NOT happening. But those solutions revolve around such impractical things, we would never stand for it. Don’t want a guy to be able to unload his armory in your hotel room? Metal detectors and armed guards at every exit/entrance. School shootings? Armed guards, metal detectors and no unauthorized access. Bombs in stadiums? No backpacks. No brought in water bottles or bags. Metal detectors. Tougher sentencing. Swifter trials. It could be done.

At what price Freedom?

There are far more simple and effective solutions. We still don't have national background checks, which prevented hundreds of thousands of illegal sales a year. Congress doesn't allow authorities to compile statistics any longer on gun deaths. There are many other easy solutions that the gun lobby stands in the way.

 

[Lursa]

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Yawn. How many legally owned guns are used to commit crimes?
The answer is very few.
So, people who shouldn't have guns are committing acts that are illegal while illegally in possession of weapons. Your answer is to "Ban" all guns, something that would take a Constitutional Convention to even begin to start...

Good chance these guns, in LV, were legally-owned tho.

He already owned a few and they said he no criminal record.

 

[MTAtech]

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And we have a way more deaths/injuries from cars...more than another country probably too, since we are so in love with our cars.

Time to limit who owns what cars and how many?

(And no, we dont 'need' them. If people were so concerned, there are many options and lifestyles, just like in other Western countries, to go without or use much less. But convenience overcomes THOSE numbers of dead.)

Actually, the U.S. has one of the safest auto death rates in the world -- about 1/3 lowest in the pack. Why, you may ask? We have strict regulations.

 

[Lursa]

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No, my answer is not to ban all guns. I own several guns. To be honest, I don't know what the answer is. I just know I am sick of hearing people say "nothing could be done to prevent this".

Some things cant be, if you want to live in a free country, which is our goal, if not completely true in fact. The more freedom you want, the more things you have to give up.

See my signature, in blue.

 

[Saladin4]

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And we have a way more deaths/injuries from cars...more than another country probably too, since we are so in love with our cars.

Time to limit who owns what cars and how many?

(And no, we dont 'need' them. If people were so concerned, there are many options and lifestyles, just like in other Western countries, to go without or use much less. But convenience overcomes THOSE numbers of dead.)

Can't remember any car wrecks that killed over 50 people......This is crazy to allow people to possess these types of weapons

 

[TurtleDude]

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There are far more simple and effective solutions. We still don't have national background checks, which prevented hundreds of thousands of illegal sales a year. Congress doesn't allow authorities to compile statistics any longer on gun deaths. There are many other easy solutions that the gun lobby stands in the way.

you are lying. we have national background checks and in the 24 years they have been in place and involve all licensed dealers (which is the only kind of sale that such checks can be enforced) there is NO evidence they have done anything to decrease violent crime

law enforcement agencies routinely gather than information so I have no idea what you are claiming.

 

[calamity]

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Democrats Demand Gun Control After Vegas | The Daily Caller

That didn't take long.

As they should. Gun nuts need to be kept away from their pea shooters..obviously.

 

[haymarket]

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waist? Do they get fat or something?

A good tragedy going to waist would be in the ice cream truck crashed in front of my house spilling hundreds of secured gallons of Rocky Road on my lawn compelling me to get what I could and consume it. That would really go to waist.

 

[GDViking]

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Some of the hard core gun fetishists actually look forward to murdering someone in "self defense" to finish off their murder fantasies. It's sick but its true.

I'm an adult and this is how I debate.

Sadly that is true, rare but true.

 

[Bucky]

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And we have a way more deaths/injuries from cars...more than another country probably too, since we are so in love with our cars.

Time to limit who owns what cars and how many?

(And no, we dont 'need' them. If people were so concerned, there are many options and lifestyles, just like in other Western countries, to go without or use much less. But convenience overcomes THOSE numbers of dead.)

The difference is Lursa companies and the country want to reduce the number of vehicles on the road. Companies like UBER and LYFT are doing that. We have the technology for automated vehicles which will reduce the number of car fatalities caused by humans to drastically.

What are we doing to reduce gun violence? Very little. We can't even do the research because the NRA has shut it down.

 

[Nilly]

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Can't remember any car wrecks that killed over 50 people......This is crazy to allow people to possess these types of weapons

Gun homicides number at ~10k / year. Can you imagine what the people in this thread would be saying if refugees killed 10k Americans in a year?

(And I honestly make the point above more so that people lay off the refugee's rather than try to further ban guns).

 

[Lursa]

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I am not for banning gun sales. I don't know what the answer is. My point was I am sick of hearing "nothing could be done to prevent this" every time we have a mass shooting. There is bound to be something that can be done, but all we ever get are "thoughts and prayers".

I know...I'm sorry. I went to bed and the news said 2 had been killed. I got up this am to 50. Now 58.

I put on the TV, heard 50, and exclaimed, then swore, so loudly I scared the dogs. And now I keep holding back tears.

 

[yankintx]

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Cant let a tragedy go to waist

The GOP is just as guilty

 

[Lursa]

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Somehow, other modern nations are able to avoid these mass carnage events that the U.S. has several times a year. Just do what they do.

The courts have repeatedly allowed control of certain weapons w/o a Constitutional Convention.

They also dont have our freedoms, our personal liberty.

 

[calamity]

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you are lying. we have national background checks and in the 24 years they have been in place and involve all licensed dealers (which is the only kind of sale that such checks can be enforced) there is NO evidence they have done anything to decrease violent crime

law enforcement agencies routinely gather than information so I have no idea what you are claiming.

"500 injured; 50-plus dead. But heavens no, don't take away our guns."

 

[Saladin4]

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The shooter would never have been able to do this act of madness without these weapons...Why would a modern society allow somebody to have them?.....Legally?.....So many lives lost because of it....Time for America to look at itself

 

[haymarket]

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Regarding guns and their place in our nation: I have always felt that the real issue here is what kind of society do we want to live in and what role guns then play in that society. I really do not think this is primarily about crime prevention or any other such issue. Its a quality of life issue.