A 22% increase in firearm related homicides and assaults in Florida just a couple of years since we've allowed permitless carry IS a significant amount.
Actually no it isn’t.
But let’s think about this. You think a class on gun safety is going to stop homicide and assaults. ?
You didn’t see a giant jump in ACCIDENTS with constitutional carry.
Which is what a permit is going to supposedly prevent.
If they're not experienced in handling firearms then absolutely they're unsafe.
That’s not true . For one they may be seeking out mentors etc to teach them etc.
the bottom line. If these folks are so unsafe? Why wasn’t there an explosions of accidents.
A permit ensures that you at least know the four rules of firearms and
safety and can put rounds on target.
Sure.
Surely this doesn’t need to be done every year or frankly ever again.
And you need to be honest. A class is just icing on the cake . Permitless carry has not resulted in an explosions of accidents.
Because they have the permit to show that they went through the training to obtain it
Wishkibble. I am all for training but objectively , there has not been an explosion of accidents with constitutional carry .
I'm completely fine with prosecuting people who lie on 4473 forms.
Yet interestingly the government is not. Which certainly puts into question whether the purpose of the background checks are really to stop criminals from getting guns or the purpose is to impede legitimate gun owners.
I'm not sure if I addressed this comment before, but I'll address it here. Just because you disagree with my proposals doesn't mean that I want to discourage law abiding, responsible, and sound minded people from owning and carrying firearms. Far from it. Just look at my post history or hell, look at my avatar. I own, carry, and shoot several firearms, including the "scary" AR-15. I don't agree with any proposal that bans commonly owned firearms, especially on arbitrary definitions. So drop the barely legal ad hominems and focus on the topic at hand. Any more of this will be cut out in my response.
You however don’t seem to understand how your proposal could and would do the very thing you say you are against at .
Classes cost money, take time and thus ARE a discouragement for law abiding responsible citizens.
The nearest class for me is 60 miles away and given 2x year.
The cost of liability insurance is prohibitive and what if a person cannot obtain it say because they live in a rough neighborhood. ?
Which is why I'm not demanding the level of training police and military go through.
Except you did suggest it.
Just a refresher course every so often in my proposed CIVSA permit. Could be yearly, every two years, 5 years, or whenever you need to renew your permit.
Why? Do you really think people need to be refreshed on the rules of firearm safety?
1. Permitless carry is a bad idea because it leads to an increase in firearm related homicides and assaults.
As stated because of police changing enforcement.
I mean think about it. How does it LEAD to more homicides and assaults ?
If you can’t obtain a permit in your proposed system it’s because why? You are a prohibited person right?
Which means it’s illegal for you to possess a firearm much less carry it.
So what is permit-less carry going to really do to this person.? They still aren’t legally allowed to even possess!!
People should be trained on safety, justified use of force, and relevant firearm laws in order to be allowed to carry.
Frankly it’s icing on the cake. Permitless carry has not resulted in a huge increase in accidents.
2. To respect states rights and honestly, help sell the idea of national reciprocity, we should have a CIVSA permit in the same way
No. I am all for a permitting system for classes etc for nationwide reciprocity but frankly you are talking about only nine states that you would gain access to.
States can run their own standards for their state CCW permit, however CIVSA permit holders must go through regular training and have liability insurance in order to maintain their CIVSA permit.
See above.
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