Democrats Formally Seek Six Years of Trump Tax Returns From IRS

[cabse5]

That there was never ANY meetings with Russians from him or his campaign. That was found to be a complete lie later on.

Which members of Trump's campaign met with Russians?

 

[Anthony60]

Ah, so you're blind to the actual law that allows for the Ways and Means chairman to legally acquire them.

Figures. Trump worshipers hate the rule of law.

Good luck with your magical thinking.

Why don't you go ahead and cite that for us?

 

[HumblePi]

That's the crux of the issue. Identifying a legitimate committee purpose is a BIG stretch. That something 'might' be in them isn't a legitimate purpose. There are also certainly other ways to determine if there is a conflict of interest, or get a listing of his debts (which he provided in his financial disclosures).

What you just listed is really the 'crux of the issue'. HE provided his financial disclosures, which doesn't really carry any credulity to it since he's a pathological liar and would say or do anything to protect his illegal activities. Everyone is focused on one investigation, the Mueller investigation when in fact there are multiple congressional committees that have ongoing investigations. It's April and they're all just beginning to kick into gear. Trump's life is going to be a living hell for the next two years.

The Intelligence Committee which has the investigatory agenda on Russia as well as other intelligence-related topics.

Oversight Committee which is the House’s main watchdog for the executive branch. But for the past two years, the Republicans running it have spent little time on oversight of Trump’s appointees.

Judiciary Committee where if Trump were to be impeached, the process would start in the House Judiciary Committee
Ways and Means Committee which is seeking to obtain the past six years of Trump's tax returns

Financial Services Committee which has the ability to scrutinize broad swaths of the financial industry and agencies such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Department of Housing and Urban Development

Foreign Affairs Committee which plans to dig into Trump’s connections abroad and whether his business interests might be influencing the administration’s policies.

Energy and Commerce Committee which has some of the broadest jurisdiction in Congress. This committee plans to examine how the Trump administration, led by a president who denies climate change even exists, is neglecting or even exacerbating the problem.
They will also spend a lot of time on the Environmental Protection Agency, which has rolled back Obama-era regulations governing coal and methane while also disbanding an air pollution review panel.

Natural Resources Committee which plans to investigate both policy and ethics matters from Ryan Zinke’s controversial tenure. On Zinke’s watch, the Interior Department proposed the largest rollback of federal land protections in US history and opened nearly all US coastal waters to offshore drilling.

Veterans’ Affairs Committee, One of the potential items on their agenda for a probe will likely be the ProPublica report in August that found that three members of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort — Marvel Entertainment chair Ike Perlmutter, Palm Beach doctor Bruce Moskowitz, and lawyer Marc Sherman — were essentially calling the shots at the VA, reviewing policy and personnel decisions from the get-go.

Science, Space, and Technology Committee will focus more on how federal agencies under the Trump administration are handling climate science and research matters — scrutinizing, for instance, the EPA’s ousting of science advisers and its proposals to limit the kinds of research that can be used to make regulations.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Joke: How do you shut up a Never-Trumper? Ask him for proof of Trump's criminality.:lamo At least, it's a belly laugh.

We could start with the undocumented, err, ILLEGALS he's employed and go on to Trump U.:lamo

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Why don't you go ahead and cite that for us?

Your intellectual laziness is boring.

House committee deploys century-old tax code provision to demand Trump’s taxes from IRS.
House Democrat Demands Six Years of Trump Tax Returns From I.R.S. - The New York Times

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Which members of Trump's campaign met with Russians?

Sessions. Manafort. His own son. Yawn.

 

[HumblePi]

If members of congress wish to keep their jobs (and all do to the detriment of actually getting anything done, unfortunately) they will be selective on who they subpoena.

Subpoena power is one of the congressional duties they hold. They wouldn't use that power unless there was some substantiating evidence to support a subpoena. How might things play out when a House committee issues a subpoena and, in response, the Trump administration refuses to turn over documents or allow an administration official to testify? Debates over the scope of executive privilege are likely to play out in the context of negotiations between House Democrats and the Trump administration, with each side making political calculations about what fights are worth having, when it makes sense to fight and when it makes sense to cooperate.

The Supreme Court has firmly established that such power, as the power to subpoena, is essential to the legislative function and they have vested this power to Congress. How a particular committee decides to issue a subpoena is specific to each committee. Most committees of the House and Senate have included in their rules one or more provisions on committees’ and subcommittees’ power to authorize subpoenas by majority vote. Since democrats have the majority in the House, any subpoena they wish to issue will get the majority vote to proceed. Keep in mind that over the past two years under republican control of the House, many subpoenas were requested by the democrats on those committees and overruled by the republican majority vote.

 

[Anthony60]

Your intellectual laziness is boring.

Since you are so bored, let me help you. Neal is requesting the tax returns from the IRS under the guise of "the returns are necessary for Congress to determine whether the IRS is properly enforcing tax laws in a fair and impartial manner."

Now, that is what is commonly known as a "lie". And, we can throw in an abuse of power. Yeah, they want to make sure the IRS is being fair! That's why they want them, no other reason at all.

So, continue being foolish, if you so choose. I'll remain skeptical of their intentions.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Since you are so bored, let me help you. Neal is requesting the tax returns from the IRS under the guise of "the returns are necessary for Congress to determine whether the IRS is properly enforcing tax laws in a fair and impartial manner."

Now, that is what is commonly known as a "lie". And, we can throw in an abuse of power. Yeah, they want to make sure the IRS is being fair! That's why they want them, no other reason at all.

So, continue being foolish, if you so choose. I'll remain skeptical of their intentions.

LOL! Predictable and boring to see you stomp your feet in impotent rage and compell yourself to pretend that's a lie or an abuse of power.

Sad, really.

 

[Obscurity]

Nothing wrong with them performing their oversight function. I really wish they would do so. This silliness with the tax returns is getting in the way.



Again, a congressional investigation is intended to find issues in government and help congress come up with ways to improve it. The Benghazi was a clear failure, many government shortcomings were identified and addressed. It wasn't supposed to identify criminal actions or seize assets - although it did result in some very appropriate referrals to the DOJ.



Feel free to call out whataboutism then. This is clearly an effort to divert and distract.



The hypocrisy of the left wing is certainly on display. Again, if these other topics concern you, then I welcome discussion in an appropriate forum. You will get a lot further in discussions if you focus on the issues though, rather than lobbing generalizations and personal attacks.

Not worth my time.

NEXT.

 

[HumblePi]

Trump supporters would not be interested in reading this article but Trump antagonists may be. This article lists nearly all the appalling effects of the Trump presidency. It has been described as a 'tour de force' indictment of 'The Don'. We have spoken out against those that have chosen to shoot the messenger rather than grapple with the crisis of the Trump presidency.


Trump’s Biggest Crime Isn’t Being Covered by the Mainstream Media

It’s been overlooked, but it probably makes him the most criminal president in history.
By Tom Engelhardt

Trump’s Biggest Crime Isn’t Being Covered by the Mainstream Media | The Nation

 

[tres borrachos]

CURRENTLY he is FACTUALLY under audit.

NOW here is the thing..... take a the Twitter Troll Trump for a moment....... He said he is under audit...... WE DO NOT KNOW WHEN... nor has Trump specified when nor has anyone demanded a SPECIFIED year..... so HE SAID IN 2015 he is under audit... YET NO one asked him for his 2015 TAX returns. They just want to see it. Hes Been trolling the TAX Return people for years..... and they have fell for it......

Trump has been Audited many times before, I just dont know when, I dont know what years... maybe it was ONLY 1 time who the hell knows... but you know he was audited before......

NOW here is the thing Maddow Got his 2005 Returns and IT WAS LEGIT as hell, hell even paid a hefty amount of Personal Taxes... SOMEONE leaked it... Its there.... SO WHAT....

You guys think again.. Just like the Mueller Reports... you guys have the Legal authority greater than the actual investigators to find Criminality.... WHAT a JOKE...

FBI and IRS I am sure have seen his Numbers FOR YEARS... HELL the IRS that actually has it is probably laughing at the news every time this BS COMES up.


1) Trump likely got a bunch of freaking CPA's on his numbers
2) Trump got a bunch of lawyers as well
3) The Numbers are probably not as egregious as people think and even if he messed up.... hes going to pay a fine...Not jail time...

It's hard to read your posts. Why do you capitalize random words all over the place?

Show us this "fact" you reference that he is currently under audit, and for what years? You know, don't you, that audits don't take years. 6 months at most.

 

[sjmay]

Trump supporters would not be interested in reading this article but Trump antagonists may be. This article lists nearly all the appalling effects of the Trump presidency. It has been described as a 'tour de force' indictment of 'The Don'. We have spoken out against those that have chosen to shoot the messenger rather than grapple with the crisis of the Trump presidency.


Trump’s Biggest Crime Isn’t Being Covered by the Mainstream Media

It’s been overlooked, but it probably makes him the most criminal president in history.
By Tom Engelhardt

Trump’s Biggest Crime Isn’t Being Covered by the Mainstream Media | The Nation

LOL a bit on the biased side.....

 

[sjmay]

It's hard to read your posts. Why do you capitalize random words all over the place?

Show us this "fact" you reference that he is currently under audit, and for what years? You know, don't you, that audits don't take years. 6 months at most.

Presidents by law are under audit, every year they are in office.

 

[Ikari]

[h=1]Democrats Formally Seek Six Years of Trump Tax Returns From IRS[/h]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-03/democrats-formally-seek-six-years-of-trump-tax-returns-from-irs via @bpolitics


House Democrats on Wednesday formally demanded that the IRS turn over six years of personal and business tax returns for President Donald Trump, setting the stage for a clash with the White House and in the courts.
Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal sent a letter to Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles Rettig, citing Congress’s oversight responsibility to review the president’s business activities before and during his first term.

“We must obtain President Trump’s tax returns and review whether the IRS is carrying out its responsibilities,” Neal said. “The committee has a duty to examine whether congressional action may be needed to require such audits, and to oversee that they are conducted properly.”
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Six years of tax returns are being requested, even though tax returns are subject to IRS audit going back ten years in time, six years is the statute of limitations for criminally filing a false income tax return. There is no subpoena necessary issued to IRS for this information. According to the testimony given by Michael Cohen in February, Trump's taxes were not under audit as he said they were. This was the argument he had given for not releasing his tax returns.

Well that's how they got Capone, lol.

 

[upsideguy]

Which members of Trump's campaign met with Russians?

"...There are at least 101 known points of contact between people associated with the Trump campaign and Russian government-linked individuals or entities from November of 2015 all the way up to January of 2017...."

Mueller report: All known contacts between Trump campaign and Russia - Business Insider

Meanwhile, consider all of the relationships Trump's appointees had with Russia prior to joining the administration.

All of Donald Trump’s Ties to Russia and Putin, in 7 Charts - POLITICO Magazine

Even if Trump is guilty of nothing else, he is guilty of very poor judgement by surrounding himself with so many corrupt individuals. He brought this righteous investigation on himself by his staffing decisions alone.

 

[tres borrachos]

What law? Oh yeah! The law that says that, without a warrant or subpoena, politically-motivated twats in Congress can look at anyone's tax records.

Court battle time. And the public will be delighted to know that some elected jerkoff in the Capitol Building can look at their tax records whenever the mood strikes them.

That isn't what the law says. And it isn't what would happen. But you already knew that. Just have to be hyperbolic because it's Donald Trump, and we can't have anyone looking into his finances. Especially after he's managed to keep them hidden from us the last few years.

 

[tres borrachos]

Presidents by law are under audit, every year they are in office.

Then it's a good thing that Congress was smart enough to request the last 6 years, since he's only been in office for 2.

 

[HumblePi]

Presidents by law are under audit, every year they are in office.

This is correct but it should be added that nobody knows how rigorous these IRS audits are and unless the IRS finds evidence of a tax crime such as evasion and prosecutes the case, the only way the public may learn anything of what's in Trump's returns is if he chooses to voluntarily release them, which has become a tradition for the past 40 years.

Trump has frequently used the audits of his tax returns to date as an excuse not to release them publicly -- even though nothing prevents him from doing so except his personal preference. Trump and his surrogates have said often that he would release them when the audits were complete, there's no way to independently verify that the audits of his returns from years past are still ongoing. It's very unlikely that audits of tax returns from as far back as 2013 would still be under audit.

 

[sjmay]

Then it's a good thing that Congress was smart enough to request the last 6 years, since he's only been in office for 2.

Which goes to show you that they don't want to know if he's been compromised......they just want anything embarrassing they can find on him. If you think that's a good thing, so be it.

 

[HumblePi]

Well that's how they got Capone, lol.

wouldn't it be sweet if history repeated itself?

 

[sjmay]

This is correct but it should be added that nobody knows how rigorous these IRS audits are and unless the IRS finds evidence of a tax crime such as evasion and prosecutes the case, the only way the public may learn anything of what's in Trump's returns is if he chooses to voluntarily release them, which has become a tradition for the past 40 years.

Trump has frequently used the audits of his tax returns to date as an excuse not to release them publicly -- even though nothing prevents him from doing so except his personal preference. Trump and his surrogates have said often that he would release them when the audits were complete, there's no way to independently verify that the audits of his returns from years past are still ongoing. It's very unlikely that audits of tax returns from as far back as 2013 would still be under audit.

Agreed, but when the democrats try to do this under the guise of "we have to know if he's been compromised" which I agree with, you do have to know that, tax returns from 2013, 2014, 2015 won't show that.....because up until 2016, it doesn't matter WHO he was in business with, or WHERE it was done......

They are fishing big time and I think it will backfire on them, especially if there's nothing there....

 

[dcsports]

What you just listed is really the 'crux of the issue'. HE provided his financial disclosures, which doesn't really carry any credulity to it since he's a pathological liar and would say or do anything to protect his illegal activities. Everyone is focused on one investigation, the Mueller investigation when in fact there are multiple congressional committees that have ongoing investigations. It's April and they're all just beginning to kick into gear. Trump's life is going to be a living hell for the next two years.

The Intelligence Committee which has the investigatory agenda on Russia as well as other intelligence-related topics.

Oversight Committee which is the House’s main watchdog for the executive branch. But for the past two years, the Republicans running it have spent little time on oversight of Trump’s appointees.

Judiciary Committee where if Trump were to be impeached, the process would start in the House Judiciary Committee
Ways and Means Committee which is seeking to obtain the past six years of Trump's tax returns

Financial Services Committee which has the ability to scrutinize broad swaths of the financial industry and agencies such as the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the Department of Housing and Urban Development

Foreign Affairs Committee which plans to dig into Trump’s connections abroad and whether his business interests might be influencing the administration’s policies.

Energy and Commerce Committee which has some of the broadest jurisdiction in Congress. This committee plans to examine how the Trump administration, led by a president who denies climate change even exists, is neglecting or even exacerbating the problem.
They will also spend a lot of time on the Environmental Protection Agency, which has rolled back Obama-era regulations governing coal and methane while also disbanding an air pollution review panel.

Natural Resources Committee which plans to investigate both policy and ethics matters from Ryan Zinke’s controversial tenure. On Zinke’s watch, the Interior Department proposed the largest rollback of federal land protections in US history and opened nearly all US coastal waters to offshore drilling.

Veterans’ Affairs Committee, One of the potential items on their agenda for a probe will likely be the ProPublica report in August that found that three members of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort — Marvel Entertainment chair Ike Perlmutter, Palm Beach doctor Bruce Moskowitz, and lawyer Marc Sherman — were essentially calling the shots at the VA, reviewing policy and personnel decisions from the get-go.

Science, Space, and Technology Committee will focus more on how federal agencies under the Trump administration are handling climate science and research matters — scrutinizing, for instance, the EPA’s ousting of science advisers and its proposals to limit the kinds of research that can be used to make regulations.

You could probably make the accusation that any politician is a pathological liar. They certainly all lie and distort to further their goals. That's not a justification. As for his financial disclosures -- again, if there's evidence he lied, there are ways to investigate that. Tax returns won't get you there.

The rest is a shotgun approach. If a congressional committee is investigating whether a presidential action is an appropriate use of power, or if presidential reach should be changed through legislation - that is an appropriate action for the committee. That's what it's for. Go for it.

The issue here is very specific - and protected personal information shouldn't be used for a fishing expedition by congress, or as a political tool. Period.

 

[sjmay]

That isn't what the law says. And it isn't what would happen. But you already knew that. Just have to be hyperbolic because it's Donald Trump, and we can't have anyone looking into his finances. Especially after he's managed to keep them hidden from us the last few years.

You realize that the public still won't see the tax returns right?

 

[Ikari]

Which goes to show you that they don't want to know if he's been compromised......they just want anything embarrassing they can find on him. If you think that's a good thing, so be it.

Well as pointed out by the OP, six years is the statute of limitations for criminally filing a false income tax return.

It may be that this isn't something to "embarrass the President" on, but actually looking into criminal charges. As it came out during the Cohen testimonials, Trump has been playing fast and lose with property evaluations for tax reasons.