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Democrats explode in frustration over stalled reconciliation spending spree: 'It's the effing progressives'

jaeger19 said:
Pooh..Reagan is responsible for cutting taxes...but not responsible for the budget he signed.
2. I am talking about income taxes.
Income taxes were raised in 1982 to 1986 by decreasing depreciation schedules..investment credits..getting rid of tax loopholes etc.
It increased the effective rax rates
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Why would you post a conservative lean while posting as a liberal. What you cannot seem to grasp is what FIT and CIT funds so as usual you post your selfish liberal ideology that the gov't needs the money more than the American taxpayers. Decreasing depreciation and getting rid of tax loop holes had very little impact on the American people who gave Reagan one of the largest if not the largest Electoral College win in history, 49 states. His policies doubled GDP and led to almost 17 million NEW jobs being created. He implemented a pro private sector, pro growth economic policies that converted me from a JFK Democrat to a Reagan Republican.

I suggest that you and the rest of the left find out what FIT and CIT were created to pay for and stop letting the left make a fool out of you convincing you that FIT And CIT should fund SS and Medicare
 
jaeger19 said:
Pooh..Reagan is responsible for cutting taxes...but not responsible for the budget he signed.
2. I am talking about income taxes.
Income taxes were raised in 1982 to 1986 by decreasing depreciation schedules..investment credits..getting rid of tax loopholes etc.
It increased the effective rax rates
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I am not suggesting that Reagan had no share of the blame for deficit spending. He just does not get the lions share of the blame. Congress does. They ultimately have the power of the purse and can override a presidential veto. If the president had a line item veto, he could have much more control of deficit spending. To say, he could just refuse to sign anything with pork spending riders in unrealistic in the real world. We will just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the debate.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
I am not suggesting that Reagan had no share of the blame for deficit spending. He just does not get the lions share of the blame. Congress does. They ultimately have the power of the purse and can override a presidential veto. If the president had a line item veto, he could have much more control of deficit spending. To say, he could just refuse to sign anything with pork spending riders in unrealistic in the real world. We will just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the debate.
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There is quite a difference between stimulus from Reagan and Trump vs the liberal response and reaction. Both the Reagan and Trump stimulus were entirely tax cuts whereas the liberal response is gov't spending. This country was built on the private sector not gov't sector which the left wants to ignore. Economic results from both the Reagan and Trump tax cuts are totally ignored just like the left always ignores the taxes paid, their purpose, and the results. Yes, the Reagan years added 1.7 trillion to the debt, 52% of GDP, Trump's policies added far less than the left wants to admit as they want the Covid Stimulus as part of that debt blaming it on Trump policies not Congressional action. This is truly a cult following we are dealing with today as the march towards socialism continues by the left
 
Conservative said:
There is quite a difference between stimulus from Reagan and Trump vs the liberal response and reaction. Both the Reagan and Trump stimulus were entirely tax cuts whereas the liberal response is gov't spending. This country was built on the private sector not gov't sector which the left wants to ignore. Economic results from both the Reagan and Trump tax cuts are totally ignored just like the left always ignores the taxes paid, their purpose, and the results. Yes, the Reagan years added 1.7 trillion to the debt, 52% of GDP, Trump's policies added far less than the left wants to admit as they want the Covid Stimulus as part of that debt blaming it on Trump policies not Congressional action. This is truly a cult following we are dealing with today as the march towards socialism continues by the left
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The left lacks a coherent understanding of how the US became the world's leading economy and industrial base.
 
Conservative said:
There is quite a difference between stimulus from Reagan and Trump vs the liberal response and reaction. Both the Reagan and Trump stimulus were entirely tax cuts whereas the liberal response is gov't spending. This country was built on the private sector not gov't sector which the left wants to ignore. Economic results from both the Reagan and Trump tax cuts are totally ignored just like the left always ignores the taxes paid, their purpose, and the results. Yes, the Reagan years added 1.7 trillion to the debt, 52% of GDP, Trump's policies added far less than the left wants to admit as they want the Covid Stimulus as part of that debt blaming it on Trump policies not Congressional action. This is truly a cult following we are dealing with today as the march towards socialism continues by the left
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yeah no.
Reagan grew government spending by 9% every year. He ushered in a huge increase in deficit spending.
Conservative said:
Why would you post a conservative lean while posting as a liberal. What you cannot seem to grasp is what FIT and CIT funds so as usual you post your selfish liberal ideology that the gov't needs the money more than the American taxpayers. Decreasing depreciation and getting rid of tax loop holes had very little impact on the American people who gave Reagan one of the largest if not the largest Electoral College win in history, 49 states. His policies doubled GDP and led to almost 17 million NEW jobs being created. He implemented a pro private sector, pro growth economic policies that converted me from a JFK Democrat to a Reagan Republican.

I suggest that you and the rest of the left find out what FIT and CIT were created to pay for and stop letting the left make a fool out of you convincing you that FIT And CIT should fund SS and Medicare
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Blah blah blah...
Real conservatives are not afraid to tell the truth about economics. Right wing liberals like yourself fear the truth.
 
jaeger19 said:
yeah no.
Reagan grew government spending by 9% every year. He ushered in a huge increase in deficit spending.

Blah blah blah...
Real conservatives are not afraid to tell the truth about economics. Right wing liberals like yourself fear the truth.
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So you aren't a real conservative helping put Biden in the White House
 
bomberfox said:
Eh the US government cant run out of money. It is a sovereign currency issuer. We can run out of resources but not money.
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Because inflation is really the bees knees, amirite?
 
jaeger19 said:
Oh no..I am a true conservative.
Unlike you.
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I can see how conservative you are by not offering one piece of legislation or one proposal by Biden that supports the Conservative Ideology. No conservative benefits from massive gov't spending like Biden has proposed or the actions Biden has taken on national security. Why are you lying
 
Conservative said:
I can see how conservative you are by not offering one piece of legislation or one proposal by Biden that supports the Conservative Ideology. No conservative benefits from massive gov't spending like Biden has proposed or the actions Biden has taken on national security. Why are you lying
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Tell me the conservative pieces of legislation proposed or done by Trump.
 
Conservative said:
I can see how conservative you are by not offering one piece of legislation or one proposal by Biden that supports the Conservative Ideology. No conservative benefits from massive gov't spending like Biden has proposed or the actions Biden has taken on national security. Why are you lying
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Tax cuts, military spending, cutting the executive branch budget, repatriating over a trillion dollars in overseas Cash, Reagan military support. Stop playing games here, given the choice between Biden and Trump NO Conservative would ever have voted for Trump, only RINOs
 
Conservative said:
Tax cuts, military spending, cutting the executive branch budget, repatriating over a trillion dollars in overseas Cash, Reagan military support. Stop playing games here, given the choice between Biden and Trump NO Conservative would ever have voted for Trump, only RINOs
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1. Tax curs that increased the deficit when not needed
2. Undercutting the military by stating us intelligence was wrong and he believed putin instead
3. Repatriated money has nothing to do with being a conservative or not. Obama proposed a corporate tax cut to repatriate money.
You are struggling con..come on..lets see these large conservative things!.
Wait
.was Trump a conservative when he said he was going to " give us the best healthcare" remember that promise?.
How about when Trump threatened to send military to the states despite the states not wanting them?
Was he conservative when he banned bump stocks?
How about when he said guns should be taken away without due process?
When he said the free press was the " enemy of the people"
Sorry con..
 
jaeger19 said:
1. Tax curs that increased the deficit when not needed
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That is a lie, FIT cuts had nothing to do with the deficits created by Trump
jaeger19 said:
2. Undercutting the military by stating us intelligence was wrong and he believed putin instead
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That is a lie and liberal propaganda
jaeger19 said:
3. Repatriated money has nothing to do with being a conservative or not. Obama proposed a corporate tax cut to repatriate money.
You are struggling con..come on..lets see these large conservative things!.
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Obama's Tax holiday cut FICA funding for SS and Medicare and Obama lost the House in 10-12-14-16
jaeger19 said:
Wait
.was Trump a conservative when he said he was going to " give us the best healthcare" remember that promise?.
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Trump was in office four years, impeached twice and yet gave us the best economic results in U.S. History for his first three years in office. BEA.gov, BLS.gov. and Treasury.gov. Stop lying
jaeger19 said:
How about when Trump threatened to send military to the states despite the states not wanting them?
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Protecting federal property is the role of the President
jaeger19 said:
Was he conservative when he banned bump stocks?
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Answered and ignored
jaeger19 said:
How about when he said guns should be taken away without due process?
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What is Biden/Harris policies on guns

jaeger19 said:
When he said the free press was the " enemy of the people"
Sorry con..
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Not as sorry as I am as everything you posted there is not backed by data and facts thus are lies, liberal talking points. Rather stunning that someone would claim to be a conservative helping put a liberal and radical in charge. You are truly biased, partisan and liberal
 
jaeger19 said:
1. Tax curs that increased the deficit when not needed
2. Undercutting the military by stating us intelligence was wrong and he believed putin instead
3. Repatriated money has nothing to do with being a conservative or not. Obama proposed a corporate tax cut to repatriate money.
You are struggling con..come on..lets see these large conservative things!.
Wait
.was Trump a conservative when he said he was going to " give us the best healthcare" remember that promise?.
How about when Trump threatened to send military to the states despite the states not wanting them?
Was he conservative when he banned bump stocks?
How about when he said guns should be taken away without due process?
When he said the free press was the " enemy of the people"
Sorry con..iibi
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You going to try and tell us that conservatives support this kind of legislation on top of all the other issues destroyed by Biden/Harris? Not sure what your problem is but when FIT, CIT, and Excise taxes increased gov't revenue over 2 trillion dollars to fund infrastructure and discretionary budget you have no credibility when you make wild claims you you do about being conservative. The entire three years deficits during the Trump years had nothing to do with FIT and CIT cuts, you haven't proven your statement as you have no clue the line items in the budget and what taxes were created to fund them. Liberals bought the unified budget, not conservatives
 
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