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Democrats explode in frustration over stalled reconciliation spending spree: 'It's the effing progressives'

The infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill are two different bills.
The infrastructure bill was passed by the Senate and the House and is headed to Biden's desk for signing.

Rather odd, in that the CBO hasn't done their estimations so neither legislative body knows how much the cost for what they voted for. You'd think that this piece of information might be important in critical thinking and decision making . . .

The reconciliation bill is the one that's far more packed with all the leftist radical progressive's social engineering and manipulation, at least far more so than the infrastructure bill.

So, yes, it's still 'a thing', but one who's lights are dimming rather rapidly, much to the consternation of the leftist radical progressives .

Rather odd that such a small fraction of the over all electorate and even such a small fraction of the Democrat party have such control as to drive the Democrat party bus (off the rails and over the cliff).
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Only 6% of the over all electorate and only 12% of the Democrat party, yet the leftist 'news' (political propaganda) media always gives them the ever larger megaphone.

Well, 'With friends like these . . .'
 
Umm.. yes your generation was the issue. You deficit spend like madmen.. continuing to today.. and you raped social security and you are currently getting it but only because I am funding it. You purposely kept taxes low.. so that I will end up footing the bill later.. and likely won;t even see social security though I have paid in a ton to it.

This truly is a waste of time, cannot get through your head what FIT And CIT Fund, figure it out and stop the liberal bullshit! FIT and CIT up almost 100 billion over 2018 where are the cuts in revenue from the tax cuts?
Nope.. people running up deficits.. and benefiting from spending.. and not being responsible with money really bother me.
YOU want deficit spending.. and low taxes.. i.e. No responsibility.

FIT is certainly the problem. MEdicare and social security ran surpluses.. which your generation borrowed against and now don;t want to pay back.
LOL, really? where in the hell did you get that information? I posted the budget for 2019, 4.4 trillion dollars, 1.4 trillion in discretionary budget funded by 2 trillion in FIT and CIT revenue. 3.0 trillion in entitlement spending so tell me again where the shortfall is?
Sure you do.. you just tried to claim that I was class envious.,.. and now that you have been proven wrong yet again..
FIT and CIT revenue increased because the economy grew along the same lines it had been growing before and the tax cut didn;t increase that growth substantially. Thats why.
Just like in my example.. the company widget sales still grew at the same pace as before.. despite lowering the price of the widget.

So.. yes..revenue went up... but it did not go up as it would have .. if taxes or the price of widgets had been left alone.
Are you really this bullheaded and stubborn? You are making a fool out of yourself so address the questions I posed to you or this is my last post to hou
 
Sure.. you survived it.. several people did not.
Its my concern because my taxes keep having to go to your frigging state for all your foul ups. Its getting annoying.

Jealous of Texas? Been there.. not a place want to live. The hog hunting is fun though. You also have good deer hunting.. but the feeder thing? Just too lazy for me. Cripes.. you texans bragging about hunting in texas and you are shooting deer with their NOSES in a frigging feeder!!

NOSE IN A FEEDER!.

Look man.. fix up your state so I don;t have to keep sending my taxes to fix your states foul ups.
I learned a long time ago to control myself and what I can control. You as a liberal want to control others. Yes, liberals like you always blame Republicans, where is the blame for the joke in the WH right now, you helped elect an incompetent due to your own ignorance of the budget and the economy. You deserve the disaster 74 million of us didn't. We told you so, and still you bought the rhetoric. That is an example of the worst kind of so called conservative
 
Ahhh.. you really cannot see?
Hmmm.. well it just goes to prove you don;t have much understanding of math or business.

See in the example.. REVENUE WENT UP.. with the widget example.
Because the company sales grew at the same pace as before..
Reducing the widget price did not increase sales.. and thus.. revenue still went up because of growth.. but that growth was not due to widget price.. and thus the company made less money than it would have if it had left the price alone.

The same happened with the trump tax cuts. The economy increased at roughly the same pace (if not a little less)..than it had prior to the tax cuts.
That cause the increase in FIT revenue.
The tax cut did not appreciably increase the growth rate.. so the end result.. was yes.. increased revenue.. but less revenue than what would have been earned if taxes were not cut.

Dude.. I made it really easy for you. Take a look at the example. I mean.. if you cannot understand it.. welll thats kinda on you. And pretty much proves you have no understanding of math or business.
Truly stunning, 500 billion dollars per year in GDP dollar growth is the same as 900 billion in GDP dollar growth under Trump because it is the same percentage growth and you claim you are in business? You prefer 500 billion to 900 billion? Bet you think Reagan tripling the debt is worse than Obama because Reagan's 1.7 trillion is obviously worse than Obama's 9.3 trillion. The liberal ignorance is stunning
 
This truly is a waste of time, cannot get through your head what FIT And CIT Fund, figure it out and stop the liberal bullshit! FIT and CIT up almost 100 billion over 2018 where are the cuts in revenue from the tax cuts?

LOL, really? where in the hell did you get that information? I posted the budget for 2019, 4.4 trillion dollars, 1.4 trillion in discretionary budget funded by 2 trillion in FIT and CIT revenue. 3.0 trillion in entitlement spending so tell me again where the shortfall is?

Are you really this bullheaded and stubborn? You are making a fool out of yourself so address the questions I posed to you or this is my last post to hou
1. You can't get it through your head what FIT funds.
2. You can't understand that revenue can increase yet a tacmx cut has hurt that revenue.
3. You really should stop posting . You can't answer a simple business question.
 
Truly stunning, 500 billion dollars per year in GDP dollar growth is the same as 900 billion in GDP dollar growth under Trump because it is the same percentage growth and you claim you are in business? You prefer 500 billion to 900 billion? Bet you think Reagan tripling the debt is worse than Obama because Reagan's 1.7 trillion is obviously worse than Obama's 9.3 trillion. The liberal ignorance is stunning
Ummm you again don't get it.
In the example revenue was 5000
The next year at a lower price it was greater. Because the growth was due to the same factors as before.

I feel sorry for you con
You can't understand that because the economy grew at the same rate as under obama..
Revenue increased.
But because the tax cut didn't increase that gtowth..that revenue SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER THAN 900 BILLION.
and thus that's why it increased the deficit.
Sorry dude..just facts.
 
1. You can't get it through your head what FIT funds.
I believe I have been quite specific what FIT and CIT fund, discretionary budget
2. You can't understand that revenue can increase yet a tacmx cut has hurt that revenue.
Liberal rhetoric, tax cuts stimulate economic activity and not only GREW federal revenue but also state and local revenue as people had more spendable income thus boosting sales, property and excise revenue
3. You really should stop posting . You can't answer a simple business question.
Look in the mirror, you cannot grasp the reality that entitlement spending has nothing to do with FIT or CIT
 
Ummm you again don't get it.
In the example revenue was 5000
The next year at a lower price it was greater. Because the growth was due to the same factors as before.

I feel sorry for you con
You can't understand that because the economy grew at the same rate as under obama..
Revenue increased.
But because the tax cut didn't increase that gtowth..that revenue SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER THAN 900 BILLION.
and thus that's why it increased the deficit.
Sorry dude..just facts.
Has nothing to do with the thread topic or what FIT And CIT fund. They don't fund widgets, capital money created the product and consumers buying creates the revenue

What is it about liberalism that creates people like you and talking points that can never be changed? Economic growth of 2% on 14 trillion isn't the same as economic growth on 18 trillion, dollar growth is what matters.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass
 
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Liberal rhetoric, tax cuts stimulate economic activity and not only GREW federal revenue but also state and local revenue as people had more spendable income thus boosting sales, property and excise revenue

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There is no evidence that the 2017 tax-cut grew revenue, although revenue grew from other factors but less than if the tax-cut was never enacted.

According to the CBO, the tax law was projected to increase the size of the economy by only 0.7% between 2018 and 2028. Yet, there is no evidence that it is making a meaningful difference for families that are struggling financially. Households with incomes of $25,000 or less, for example, saved an average $60 in 2018 from the tax cut, according to the Tax Policy Center. By comparison, the top 1% of households saw savings of more than $51,000 on average. CBO also projected that the tax cut will add $1.9 trillion to deficits over 10 years, even after accounting for any growth effects -- far from "paying for itself" as then Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin claimed.
 
There is no evidence that the 2017 tax-cut grew revenue, although revenue grew from other factors but less than if the tax-cut was never enacted.
Except for the reality that Treasury shows that FIT and CIT revenue grew in 2019 over 2018. You cannot seem to grasp that reality nor that FIT was created in 1913 established to fund discretionary fund items NOT entitlement of SS and Medicare which are funded out of FICA
According to the CBO, the tax law was projected to increase the size of the economy by only 0.7% between 2018 and 2028. Yet, there is no evidence that it is making a meaningful difference for families that are struggling financially. Households with incomes of $25,000 or less, for example, saved an average $60 in 2018 from the tax cut, according to the Tax Policy Center. By comparison, the top 1% of households saw savings of more than $51,000 on average. CBO also projected that the tax cut will add $1.9 trillion to deficits over 10 years, even after accounting for any growth effects -- far from "paying for itself" as then Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin claimed.
CBO isn't the Treasury, they make projections based upon what they receive from Congress. Facts, logic and common sense don't reside in your world? Tax cuts put more spendable income into the pockets of the consumers who use it boosting state and local taxes along with other economic activity. You keep looking at percentage growth in the economy not dollar growth, why? The higher the GDP the lower the percentage growth is going to be

You going to explain to us the 2019 budget of 4.4 trillion dollars, 1.4 trillion discretionary and 3.0 mandatory spending funded by over 2. trillion in FIT and CIT where the true deficits came from? Then explain to us how you give a FIT tax cut to people who don't pay FIT, about 46% of the income earning Americans? Do you know what items are in both the discretionary and mandatory part of the budget? Can you explain why you expect FIT and CIT to fund SS and Medicare and where the states get their revenue?

https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?reqid=19&step=2#reqid=19&step=2&isuri=1&1921=survey1.4 trillion in FICA

 
Has nothing to do with the thread topic or what FIT And CIT fund. They don't fund widgets, capital money created the product and consumers buying creates the revenue

What is it about liberalism that creates people like you and talking points that can never be changed? Economic growth of 2% on 14 trillion isn't the same as economic growth on 18 trillion, dollar growth is what matters.

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass
Sure it does. That's why you refuse to answer the question..
Because you now realize why you are so so wrong.
You now realize that fit revenue went up after the Trump tax cuts because the economy continued to grow at the same pace it had before. Just like in my example.
And that since trumps tax cuts did not spur the economy significantly..all they did was reduce the revenue that would have been collected.
Thus increasing the deficit.
The example proves that dollar growth isn't just " what matters" when deciding the effect of a business action.

After lowering the price of the widget..revenue went up. But the percentage of growth in sales was the same as before. Showing that the only effect of the price change was to reduce the revenue that would gave been collected.
Facts are facts Con.
 
I believe I have been quite specific what FIT and CIT fund, discretionary budget

Liberal rhetoric, tax cuts stimulate economic activity and not only GREW federal revenue but also state and local revenue as people had more spendable income thus boosting sales, property and excise revenue

Look in the mirror, you cannot grasp the reality that entitlement spending has nothing to do with FIT or CIT
1. You have been wrong. They fund more than discretionary budget
2. Some tax cuts stimulate economic activity. Not all. You already said it. How do you cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes? Those in the lower incomes are tge ones living paycheck to paycheck that are most likely to spend extra money rather than save it as wealthy people do.
Which is one of tge reasons tge Trump tax cut had little effect...
And when tax cuts do increase economic activity its rare they stimulate enough to pay for themselves.
 
1. You have been wrong. They fund more than discretionary budget
Yes, LBJ put SS and Medicare on Budget and now you believe that FIT and CIT should fund SS and Medicare, that never was the intent.
2. Some tax cuts stimulate economic activity. Not all. You already said it. How do you cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes? Those in the lower incomes are tge ones living paycheck to paycheck that are most likely to spend extra money rather than save it as wealthy people do.
All tax cuts stimulate economic activity as it gives people more spendable income and that is where the states get their money, sales, property, excise, and lottery
Which is one of tge reasons tge Trump tax cut had little effect...
And when tax cuts do increase economic activity its rare they stimulate enough to pay for themselves.
There is nothing conservative in anything you post, all liberal talking points and focus on the federal gov't ignoring what actually is causing the deficits, entitlement spending, had it not been borrowed and not paid back we wouldn't be having the debt service we have
 
Sure it does. That's why you refuse to answer the question..
Because you now realize why you are so so wrong.
You now realize that fit revenue went up after the Trump tax cuts because the economy continued to grow at the same pace it had before. Just like in my example.
And that since trumps tax cuts did not spur the economy significantly..all they did was reduce the revenue that would have been collected.
Thus increasing the deficit.
The example proves that dollar growth isn't just " what matters" when deciding the effect of a business action.

After lowering the price of the widget..revenue went up. But the percentage of growth in sales was the same as before. Showing that the only effect of the price change was to reduce the revenue that would gave been collected.
Facts are facts Con.
I answered the question, you ignored it, widgets are created first by capital investment then replenished by customer purchases. that is how businesses work, you aren't a business person.
 
I answered the question, you ignored it, widgets are created first by capital investment then replenished by customer purchases. that is how businesses work, you aren't a business person.
No you didn't answer the question
A business sell widgets at 5.00 a piece
Every year the business grows sales by 10%.
Last year they sold 1000 widgets at 5.00 a piece..for a revenue of 5000.
This year..tge ceo decided to lower the price to 4.75.
This year the company sells 1100 widgets. ( the same percentage of increase as previous years..10%)
For a revenue of 5225.
Did the ceo make the right call?
Should the ceo be lauded for increasing sales with his price reduction?
If not why not since revenue WENT UP?
PLEASE EXPlaIN IN DETAIL.
You know con..everytime you fail to answer your credibility just goes lower and lower.
 
1. You have been wrong. They fund more than discretionary budget
2. Some tax cuts stimulate economic activity. Not all. You already said it. How do you cut taxes on those that don't pay taxes? Those in the lower incomes are tge ones living paycheck to paycheck that are most likely to spend extra money rather than save it as wealthy people do.
Which is one of tge reasons tge Trump tax cut had little effect...
And when tax cuts do increase economic activity its rare they stimulate enough to pay for themselves.
Are you going to tell us why in what you call a growing economy with jobs being created that we need a massive "build back America" trillions of dollars legislation that of course in your world won't add to the debt?
 
No you didn't answer the question
A business sell widgets at 5.00 a piece
Every year the business grows sales by 10%.
Last year they sold 1000 widgets at 5.00 a piece..for a revenue of 5000.
This year..tge ceo decided to lower the price to 4.75.
This year the company sells 1100 widgets. ( the same percentage of increase as previous years..10%)
For a revenue of 5225.
Did the ceo make the right call?
Should the ceo be lauded for increasing sales with his price reduction?
If not why not since revenue WENT UP?
PLEASE EXPlaIN IN DETAIL.
You know con..everytime you fail to answer your credibility just goes lower and lower.
What does any of that have to do with taxes, taxes which are used to pay expenses. Widget creation isn't an operating expense and only shows up on the balance sheet not the income statement. FIT and CIT funds operating expenses which most business owners understand. You apparently don't have a clue

I know of no business person looking at percentage growth in revenue but rather dollar growth in revenue. If you add to the widget line you are going to increase sales thus sales growth is going to higher. That has very little to do with the operating expenses unless payroll is needed to handle customers. Percentage change isn't relevant, dollar growth is as dollar growth helps pay more operating expenses

A person takes over a sales territory that has sales and revenue, that person opens new stores and operations, revenue growth is significant but the costs of running those stores is the same as the existing keeping the profit basically the same. Tell me why percentage growth in revenue is to be touted

Biden takes over an economy that once had 159 million employed, it is 154 million now. It was 150 million when he took over. He is touting job creation not recognizing that those are jobs returning not new jobs being created. The same holds true on Revenue, 2020 was a disaster created by the Covid pandemic leading to an economic shutdown by Congress to stop the spread of the virus. Now the economy is opening back up again and liberals are touting revenue growth in 2021 over 2020 when the revenue was affected by the economic shutdown. The true comparison of Biden performance is against the pre pandemic results, 7 million jobs created, 900 billion in revenue growth nor a comparison between 2021 and 2020
 
Reagan supported it and signed it.
And you know as well as I do that that without a "line item veto", a president does not have majority control of spending. Congress attaches deficit spending as riders to bills that they know the President must sign. Congress has the power of the purse, the president can only hope to influence it.
No.. but you go ahead and explain how they "hide their money".. in tax shelters.
You are kidding, right? The same congress that passes tax increases also creates tax shelters for big doners.
 
And you know as well as I do that that without a "line item veto", a president does not have majority control of spending. Congress attaches deficit spending as riders to bills that they know the President must sign. Congress has the power of the purse, the president can only hope to influence it.

You are kidding, right? The same congress that passes tax increases also creates tax shelters for big doners.
1. So? Boo hoo..the president doesn't have line item veto. So? The president doesn't have any bill that he " must" sign. He has veto power over any bill.
2. Again so? You didn't know that by the end of Reagan term..congress had increased taxes almost every year.
 
1. So? Boo hoo..the president doesn't have line item veto. So? The president doesn't have any bill that he " must" sign. He has veto power over any bill.
2. Again so? You didn't know that by the end of Reagan term..congress had increased taxes almost every year.
Are you this civics challenge? You certainly are economics challenged with no understanding of the budget or the line items in the budget. The President controls only one thing, the Discretionary budget. Yes he can veto the budget based upon something he doesn't control, the entitlement spending and that would be political suicide especially from people like you, so he supports the budget knowing that FIT And CIT fund the discretionary part. You cannot seem to grasp that reality
 
I learned a long time ago to control myself and what I can control. You as a liberal want to control others. Yes, liberals like you always blame Republicans, where is the blame for the joke in the WH right now, you helped elect an incompetent due to your own ignorance of the budget and the economy. You deserve the disaster 74 million of us didn't. We told you so, and still you bought the rhetoric. That is an example of the worst kind of so called conservative
How have liberals hurt you or your family?
 
How have liberals hurt you or your family?
By creating higher taxes, higher dependence on social programs as I am one of the 54% of income earning Americans paying taxes for liberal programs that destroy incentive. The disrespect for the police hurts all Americans, the lack of discipline hurts all Americans, the dependence liberalism creates hurts my family and yours. Some are just to blind to see that reality
 
1. So? Boo hoo..the president doesn't have line item veto. So? The president doesn't have any bill that he " must" sign. He has veto power over any bill.
The reality is that there are some bills that the president must sign or he will get nothing accomplished. Obviously a president is not completely blameless for deficit spending, however congress has the power of the purse. With a line item veto, the president would have more control.
2. Again so? You didn't know that by the end of Reagan term..congress had increased taxes almost every year.
We are talking about income taxes. Anything else, you will have to be more specific.
 
The reality is that there are some bills that the president must sign or he will get nothing accomplished. Obviously a president is not completely blameless for deficit spending, however congress has the power of the purse. With a line item veto, the president would have more control.

We are talking about income taxes. Anything else, you will have to be more specific.
Pooh..Reagan is responsible for cutting taxes...but not responsible for the budget he signed.
2. I am talking about income taxes.
Income taxes were raised in 1982 to 1986 by decreasing depreciation schedules..investment credits..getting rid of tax loopholes etc.
It increased the effective rax rates
 
Part of the problem is most people have no idea what taxes they pay and what those taxes fund. Most of the roads and bridges are state and local responsibilities, this progressive spending free is designed to buy votes and really has little to do with infrastructure.
EXACTLY.

'Interstate Highways and their rights-of-way are owned by the state in which they were built.'


The federal government owns ZERO miles of Interstate Highway.
 
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