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Democrats explode in frustration over stalled reconciliation spending spree: 'It's the effing progressives'

Conservative said:
You keep diverting from the question, what economic proposals of Biden are Conservative? Biden is "YOUR" President meaning you helped put him in office, I didn't, I voted for the private sector, personal responsibility, strong national defense. Keep running and showing immaturity in failure to admit you are wrong
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Not diverting. I already answered..
 
jaeger19 said:
No..your generation was not personally responsible. You benefited from low college costs courtesy of government..
You benefited from a the infrastructure your patents built...then you went on a spending spree and cut taxes to boot and you plan to hand over that debt to me and my children. And then beech about personal responsibility that you know nothing about.
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LOL, Low college costs? How do you know what I paid for college? It is stunning how someone like you can claim to be a conservative yet support Biden claiming he has been a good President when nothing Biden has done promotes conservative policies. This has to be an act for no conservative could ever support Biden/Harris.

Do you have any clue what funds infrastructure? You don't answer direct questions but here is another one, you tell me how FIT and CIT tax cuts that generated 1.9 trillion dollars in 2019 to fund the 1.4 trillion dollar discretionary budget caused and deficit?

I see no evidence that you have any business sense or ability at all


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jaeger19 said:
No..your generation was not personally responsible. You benefited from low college costs courtesy of government..
You benefited from a the infrastructure your patents built...then you went on a spending spree and cut taxes to boot and you plan to hand over that debt to me and my children. And then beech about personal responsibility that you know nothing about.
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Thank you for posting the truth!!!!
 
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Conservative said:
The burden of proof is on you, not me, you claimed it, now support it
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Umm nope..I never claimed bidens policies were conservative.
You however clai.ed Trump and Republicans grew the economy..but so far you have not produced one iota of evidence of a bill that passed that grew the economy when they had control of congress.
 
jaeger19 said:
No..your generation was not personally responsible. You benefited from low college costs courtesy of government..
You benefited from a the infrastructure your patents built...then you went on a spending spree and cut taxes to boot and you plan to hand over that debt to me and my children. And then beech about personal responsibility that you know nothing about.
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Thank you for posting the truth!!!!

Conservatives don't want to talk about the government funding that built up their communities, subsidized many of their business and industry where these people worked, and many were not even knowledgeable enough to know that many places they worked were strengthen by government contract funds, and other government programs that invested heavily in white America's communities from coast to coast.

People took so much for granted, until they never gave thought to acknowledge these things. They just felt it was standard white society privilege's that these things were expected! But they also at the same time, wanted to feel special and did not want to see the same benefits extended to people who were not white and middle class. They also resented seeing dire poor whites have the same benefits as those which white middle class expected.

It's amazing how these people try to deflect and deny, and then act as if they did everything themselves. It's about as stupid, as conservatives always talking about "others benefitting from tax dollars" as if they want to PRETEND that only conservatives pay taxes. FACT IS: The tax money from blacks, other non white people and poor whites was "re-directed to things" that benefitted middle class white society. BUT, middle class white society did not want any of their tax money to benefit anything that might help blacks, other non whites and dire poor whites.

It was the same thing with the 2020 Election, they think only "Conservative and Republican White People Groups Votes Should Count" as if they think they can dictate and control who gets elected. WE know that trues by the way these Right Wing States are trying their voter suppression and voter repression games, because they think they alone can dictate who gets political office.

That's the Sick and Pathetic Mentality of White Nationalism.... and the Damages It Does To America.... Their stupidity has us 30-40 yrs behind in what it takes to fix, repair and rebuild America. Nations around the world look at them as being pure bigoted, belligerence and willfully ignorant for the damages they have done to America.
Now, Nation's Around The World, no longer have the illusion that All American white people are intelligent, dignified and respect the representative democracy and the people of the world now know how to discern the Right Wingers from the American Liberal who Respect Representative Democracy and appreciate Global Diplomacy that respects people of others nations.

(Don't worry, they can't attack what you said, nor what I'm saying, because "deep within themselves, they know it's the truth"... but their lust for white nationalism has them wallowing in insanity to the point they will accept making themselves look foolish by trying to deny it. and they have such a mentality they will embrace any lie that feeds their want to think their skin makes them something they can never be. They are not superior to anyone !!!! they know it and it scares the shit out of them with the thought of having to accept that fact. ) They cling to their guns and belligerence, like a barbaric creature, trying to intimidate society in submitting to their lies they tell themselves. Then then they try to warp it into a religion which they don't uphold God's principles even among each other.
 
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We see how they treated John McCain, Liz Cheney, when they could not intimidate him or her into submission, and we watched Lindsey Graham make a complete gutless clown that showed the world that he can't even live up to his words about even himself. We saw the same thing with Ted Cruz, Rubio and Jordan and a long list of others.
They became nothing more than cult devotee to Trumpism's White Nationalist promotions. Then we watched Giuliani make himself into a babble asshole of the most insidious type, and destroyed any concept of every having integrity. Trump treated Pence, Barr and Sessions like his personal Eunuch's, and turned Sarah Sanders and Kaylee McEnany like daytime corner hustlers, expect the had them stand behind a podium disgracing themselves. Kelly Conway was used like a Madam over the lot, as she helped select a group of hustlers who prostituted themselves like a harem of cult sluts. This is only a fractional list who engaged acts that brought much disgrace upon America over the past 4 yrs.
Now, they have the audacity to expect Biden to wave a magic wand and make the world forget, and fill their life dreams while they sit on their asses with a mind full of "expectations"... it's a repeat of the exact cycle they engaged, when they expected Obama to fix their messes and wipe their butts after they shit on the nation and the world.

All the while Republican Politicians, continue shitting on the nation, and smiling about it, while looking like a bunch of baby's with diapers on that has years of dried crap in them.


America will get past all this madness, because The Majority of American People are a Decent Representative Democracy Loving People, who appreciate the principles and values of International Diplomacy, and The Majority of America want to rebuild and build back Better, this entire nation. It's coming to the time and point that Americans are learning "not" to get caught up in Right Wing Conservative Republican Narratives, and as time moves forward, the intelligent people will not get hoodwinked and lost in "exaggerated expectations of instant fixes", and come to face the reality that it takes time to fix messes made by Republicans and the Trumpist Cult and its takes time to advance an entire society.

Truth always stands... no matter how much vile and malice that these types do within their devotion of savagery, because the words of Gods Principles is a truth no man can escape.
 
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Liberals, moderates strike deal on Biden agenda, clearing way for votes

Warring progressive and moderate House Democrats agreed to a cease-fire on Friday night, clearing the way for votes on key pieces of President Biden’s stalled domestic agenda after a day of chaos a…
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Look at biden working out deals

Man it's like he is more trump than trump
 
jaeger19 said:
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Umm nope..I never claimed bidens policies were conservative.
You however clai.ed Trump and Republicans grew the economy..but so far you have not produced one iota of evidence of a bill that passed that grew the economy when they had control of congress.
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That's because nothing changes the mind of a cult follower like you

Tax cuts stimulate economic activity, growth, state and local revenues

Of that 4.4 trillion how much was discretionary spending funded by FIT and CIT?
 
Conservative said:
Umm nope..I never claimed bidens policies were conservative.
You however clai.ed Trump and Republicans grew the economy..but so far you have not produced one iota of evidence of a bill that passed that grew the economy when they had control of congress.
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That's because nothing changes the mind of a cult follower like you

Tax cuts stimulate economic activity, growth, state and local revenues

Of that 4.4 trillion how much was discretionary spending funded by FIT and CIT?
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The Trump tax cuts caused an increase in the deficit.
Doesn't matter any of your bs about FIT or CIT..or discretionary budget.
The us has bills to pay. ..when you lower taxes it decreases the revenue to pay those bills.
If you were in deficit..then you go deeper in deficit.
It's just that simple. no matter your bs.
 
jaeger19 said:
That's because nothing changes the mind of a cult follower like you

Tax cuts stimulate economic activity, growth, state and local revenues

Of that 4.4 trillion how much was discretionary spending funded by FIT and CIT?
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The Trump tax cuts caused an increase in the deficit.
Doesn't matter any of your bs about FIT or CIT..or discretionary budget.
The us has bills to pay. ..when you lower taxes it decreases the revenue to pay those bills.
If you were in deficit..then you go deeper in deficit.
It's just that simple. no matter your bs.
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You made the claim, prove it? Stunning ignorance that put Biden in the WH

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Post the line items in the budget that increased the deficit
 
Conservative said:
The Trump tax cuts caused an increase in the deficit.
Doesn't matter any of your bs about FIT or CIT..or discretionary budget.
The us has bills to pay. ..when you lower taxes it decreases the revenue to pay those bills.
If you were in deficit..then you go deeper in deficit.
It's just that simple. no matter your bs.
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You made the claim, prove it? Stunning ignorance that put Biden in the WH

www.thebalance.com

Fiscal Policy

Fiscal policy refers to the federal government's spending, budget, and tax policies set by the President and Congress. Here’s how fiscal policy impacts the U.S. economy.
www.thebalance.com www.thebalance.com

Treasury Data


Post the line items in the budget that increased the deficit
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Dude..you don't get it.
The decrease in revenue from the tax cuts increased the deficit.
 
jaeger19 said:
You made the claim, prove it? Stunning ignorance that put Biden in the WH

www.thebalance.com

Fiscal Policy

Fiscal policy refers to the federal government's spending, budget, and tax policies set by the President and Congress. Here’s how fiscal policy impacts the U.S. economy.
www.thebalance.com www.thebalance.com

Treasury Data


Post the line items in the budget that increased the deficit
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Dude..you don't get it.
The decrease in revenue from the tax cuts increased the deficit.
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What revenue decreased, FIT CIT?? NO, and what taxes were cut??
 
Conservative said:
Dude..you don't get it.
The decrease in revenue from the tax cuts increased the deficit.
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What revenue decreased, FIT CIT?? NO, and what taxes were cut??
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I get you don't get it.
Federal income taxes were decreased .." i.e. tax cut"..
Which means that since the rates were lower..the government brought in less money than they would have if rates were left alone.. its that simple.
 
jaeger19 said:
What revenue decreased, FIT CIT?? NO, and what taxes were cut??
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I get you don't get it.
Federal income taxes were decreased .." i.e. tax cut"..
Which means that since the rates were lower..the government brought in less money than they would have if rates were left alone.. its that simple.
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Yes, FIT were decreased, economic activity boomed as did revenue at the Federal, State, and local levels with people driving more, buying more and that is economic activity. Your concern about the federal gov't is overwhelming as is your ignorance on tax cuts and how they benefit the American people and the American economy. What further is stunning is how you support raising taxes on that which had no negative impact on the deficit now expecting FIT and CIT to fund SS and Medicare shortfall
 
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Yes, FIT were decreased, economic activity boomed as did revenue at the Federal, State, and local levels with people driving more, buying more and that is economic activity. Your concern about the federal gov't is overwhelming as is your ignorance on tax cuts and how they benefit the American people and the American economy. What further is stunning is how you support raising taxes on that which had no negative impact on the deficit now expecting FIT and CIT to fund SS and Medicare shortfall
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The tax cuts did not cause the economy to boom. The economy continued on relatively the same pace of growth that it had previously.
 
Yes, FIT were decreased, economic activity boomed as did revenue at the Federal, State, and local levels with people driving more, buying more and that is economic activity. Your concern about the federal gov't is overwhelming as is your ignorance on tax cuts and how they benefit the American people and the American economy. What further is stunning is how you support raising taxes on that which had no negative impact on the deficit now expecting FIT and CIT to fund SS and Medicare shortfall
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The tax cuts did not cause the economy to boom. The economy continued on relatively the same pace of growth that it had previously.

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right, liberals believe that 2% growth on 14 trillion is the same as 2% growth on 18 trillion, liberal logic, NOW REALITY, TRUMP 900 billion dollars per year GDP dollar growth, Obama 500 billion dollars per year. To a liberal that is the same, change your lean and stop buying rhetoric ignoring context. Stunning how easy it is to convert some so called conservatives to the liberal ideology
 
Conservative said:
Yes, FIT were decreased, economic activity boomed as did revenue at the Federal, State, and local levels with people driving more, buying more and that is economic activity. Your concern about the federal gov't is overwhelming as is your ignorance on tax cuts and how they benefit the American people and the American economy. What further is stunning is how you support raising taxes on that which had no negative impact on the deficit now expecting FIT and CIT to fund SS and Medicare shortfall
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The tax cuts did not cause the economy to boom. The economy continued on relatively the same pace of growth that it had previously.

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right, liberals believe that 2% growth on 14 trillion is the same as 2% growth on 18 trillion, liberal logic, NOW REALITY, TRUMP 900 billion dollars per year GDP dollar growth, Obama 500 billion dollars per year. To a liberal that is the same, change your lean and stop buying rhetoric ignoring context. Stunning how easy it is to convert some so called conservatives to the liberal ideology
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Um no.. ACTUAL conservatives of which I am one..
Understand the economy and taxes.
Right wingers such as yourself think government is the only way the economy can grow..( when there is a republican president of course)
The fact is the economy grew at the same trajectory under Trump ( before covid,)
As it did under the last few years under Obama...
The Trump tax cuts did not cause a boom in the economy. All they did was reduce the income that the federal government would have collected if left alone.
I cited tge evidence that proves my case.
The fact that you cannot understand it is well ..per your norm.
 

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Um no.. ACTUAL conservatives of which I am one..
Understand the economy and taxes.
Right wingers such as yourself think government is the only way the economy can grow..( when there is a republican president of course)
The fact is the economy grew at the same trajectory under Trump ( before covid,)
As it did under the last few years under Obama...
The Trump tax cuts did not cause a boom in the economy. All they did was reduce the income that the federal government would have collected if left alone.
I cited tge evidence that proves my case.
The fact that you cannot understand it is well ..per your norm.
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I respectfully disagree. While I have not done the math for the period covered in the Trump Tax Cuts, historically tax cuts have resulted in a boom in the economy. Such occurred with the JFK tax cut, the Reagan tax cut, and the G.W. Bush tax cut. Your suggestion that tax cuts reduce the income of the federal government is misleading. In the long run, tax cuts end up growing government income. As a matter of fact, in the long run, the Reagan tax cut resulted in a nearly doubling of government tax revenue. You need to stop thinking about tax revenue as a zero sum game. When taxes are cut, the result is more economic activity. The wealthy invest more and the middle class and wealthy spend more. The result is businesses expand, small business increases, more jobs are created, hence more taxpayers. Even the wealthy end up paying more in taxes as they have more earnings to pay taxes on. When taxes are raised, middle class spending slows and the wealthy hide as much income as they can in tax shelters.
 
Um no.. ACTUAL conservatives of which I am one..
Understand the economy and taxes.
Right wingers such as yourself think government is the only way the economy can grow..( when there is a republican president of course)
The fact is the economy grew at the same trajectory under Trump ( before covid,)
As it did under the last few years under Obama...
The Trump tax cuts did not cause a boom in the economy. All they did was reduce the income that the federal government would have collected if left alone.
I cited tge evidence that proves my case.
The fact that you cannot understand it is well ..per your norm.
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I respectfully disagree. While I have not done the math for the period covered in the Trump Tax Cuts, historically tax cuts have resulted in a boom in the economy. Such occurred with the JFK tax cut, the Reagan tax cut, and the G.W. Bush tax cut. Your suggestion that tax cuts reduce the income of the federal government is misleading. In the long run, tax cuts end up growing government income. As a matter of fact, in the long run, the Reagan tax cut resulted in a nearly doubling of government tax revenue. You need to stop thinking about tax revenue as a zero sum game. When taxes are cut, the result is more economic activity. The wealthy invest more and the middle class and wealthy spend more. The result is businesses expand, small business increases, more jobs are created, hence more taxpayers. Even the wealthy end up paying more in taxes as they have more earnings to pay taxes on. When taxes are raised, middle class spending slows and the wealthy hide as much income as they can in tax shelters.
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Great post but will got ignored by the left who believes it is the taxpayers role to fund personal responsibility issues and the more money the gov't has the less the people have which is what the left needs for power

Here is the data the left wants to ignore

Obama 14.7 to 18.7= 4.0 trillion in 8 years or 500 billion per year
Trump 18.7 to 21.4 = 2.7 trillion in 3 years or 900 billion per year

Pandemic results are what the Congress gave the country, 900 billion per year is what Trump policies gave the country. Does anyone believe the left that trajectory matters more than dollars?


Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
[Billions of dollars]
Bureau of Economic Analysis
Last Revised on: October 28, 2021 - Next Release Date November 24, 2021
Line200820092010201120122013201420152016201720182019
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1Gross domestic product
14769.9​
14478.1​
15049​
15599.7​
16254​
16843.2​
17550.7​
18206​
18695.1​
19479.6​
20527.2​
21372.6​
2Personal consumption expenditures
10050.1​
9891.2​
10260.3​
10698.9​
11047.4​
11363.5​
11847.7​
12263.5​
12693.3​
13239.1​
13913.5​
14428.7​
 
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