Democrats cannot grant legal status to millions of immigrants as part of budget bill, Senate parliamentarian rules

[Chomsky]

Here's hoping they don't. BTW: Where is this "diverse tent" you speak of? One or two indians sneaking off the reservation occasionally does not comprise "diversity". A wheezing, gasping, sputtering example of "democracy in action" at best.

They (Dems) may come together at the end, but they are somewhat diverse within their caucus & caucus process. At least, to my eyes, more-so than their opposition party.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Democrats cannot grant legal status to millions of immigrants as part of budget bill, Senate parliamentarian rules

Chuck Schumer said Democrats have prepared "alternate proposals" to address immigration in their $3.5 trillion budget bill.

www.cnbc.com

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Looks like the $3.5B 'Grand Deal' has suffered another blow. And now, Joe Manchin just announced he wants to 'delay' the bill until 'next year'.

I very much like that the Dem Party seems to have a large & diverse tent. But the difficulty becomes in getting a slim majority on the same page in producing legislation. However, it feels very much like 'democracy-in-action' - and I like that!

Here's to hoping they can pull it off.

(I have my concerns)

Democrat scheme to flood America with poor uneducated future democrat voters just got bitch slapped to the gutter.

 

[Gaius46]

Of course the Dem Senate can over-rule or disregard the Parliamentarian. but, I think that might be politically problematic.

Last time that happened was 1975 and it caused such a backlash that they immediately un-overruled the parliamentarian.

 

[Carl Young]

Democrats cannot grant legal status to millions of immigrants as part of budget bill, Senate parliamentarian rules

Chuck Schumer said Democrats have prepared "alternate proposals" to address immigration in their $3.5 trillion budget bill.

www.cnbc.com

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Looks like the $3.5B 'Grand Deal' has suffered another blow. And now, Joe Manchin just announced he wants to 'delay' the bill until 'next year'.

I very much like that the Dem Party seems to have a large & diverse tent. But the difficulty becomes in getting a slim majority on the same page in producing legislation. However, it feels very much like 'democracy-in-action' - and I like that!

Here's to hoping they can pull it off.

(I have my concerns)

Their tent isn't that "diverse". And will "the rich" really be paying for it?

 

[Carl Young]

Democrat scheme to flood America with poor uneducated future democrat voters just got bitch slapped to the gutter.

Even those who are "educated" are not all that knowledgeable. Trades people are often better educated than what's being churned out in the universities because of their real world experience.

 

[Carl Young]

Why do you think Biden's handlers (Pelosi/Obama) are rushing in millions of illegals from Mexico and now Afghanistan? Their whole intent is to gets tens of millions over here before 2022 and make every single one legal and then have voter drives go door to door insisting they vote Democrat as a payback to the Dems. This is so transparently obvious a third grader can see it.

This is especially important when they appear to be losing the Black vote. Parents are also recognizing the generational dumbing down in the education system, and home schooling is rising, so new sources of ignorance must be found.

 

[Paradoxical]

This is especially important when they appear to be losing the Black vote. Parents are also recognizing the generational dumbing down in the education system, and home schooling is rising, so new sources of ignorance must be found.

Absolutely correct. In the San Fernando Valley in California, most all of the schools have roughly 90% Hispanics who can't speak English. This creates many teachers' jobs. They aren't stupid. They saw that Trump stopped it dead in its tracks and teachers would be out of a job, the union ordered the gates opened.

 

[Chomsky]

Their tent isn't that "diverse". And will "the rich" really be paying for it?

I feel there's more diversity in opinion in the Dem Party, than the Party of Trump.

But you are right, in that neither party is really showing that wide of a latitude amongst its members. At least not from what I remember in years past - from a Dem perspective.

 

[Chomsky]

Last time that happened was 1975 and it caused such a backlash that they immediately un-overruled the parliamentarian.

That, I was not aware!

Thanks!

I'm going to research that a bit . . .

Edit:

Well, I do find it interesting that the Parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the majority leader. So, it is a political appointment.

 

[Bullseye]

They (Dems) may come together at the end, but they are somewhat diverse within their caucus & caucus process. At least, to my eyes, more-so than their opposition party.

I've seen some things that say there's a lot of infighting within the dems communities of aggrieved. Apparently not all Wokees get up on the same side of the bed.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I've seen some things that say there's a lot of infighting within the dems communities of aggrieved. Apparently not all Wokees get up on the same side of the bed.

That isnt allowed in the Republican Party, anyone who doesn't kiss Trumps ass is marginalized.

 

[Gaius46]

That, I was not aware!

Thanks!

I'm going to research that a bit . . .

Edit:

Well, I do find it interesting that the Parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the majority leader. So, it is a political appointment.

TBH my research didn’t go past reading the wiki article. Hell until earlier this year I didn’t even know there was a parlimentarian.

I think the issue is that parlimentarian is non partisan and advises only on rules and procedures so any overruling automatically looks very partisan.

 

[Chomsky]

TBH my research didn’t go past reading the wiki article. Hell until earlier this year I didn’t even know there was a parlimentarian.

I think the issue is that parlimentarian is non partisan and advises only on rules and procedures so any overruling automatically looks very partisan.

I very much knew 'of' the Parliamentarian for most of my life. But, I never knew how they came to be or the extent of their power.

 

[Chomsky]

I've seen some things that say there's a lot of infighting within the dems communities of aggrieved. Apparently not all Wokees get up on the same side of the bed.

And that's a good thing!

We're Americans. We're diverse. We should all be bringing diverse ideas to the table. Each & every one of us. Then, while respecting each other as fellow Americans firstly, we need to hammer-out compromise to move the country forward with uniquely American solutions. And in my opinion, the way for long-lasting effectual positive legislation, is best served by leading through the middle.

The above sounds antiquated and almost childishly ideological. It is. But it's in part what made us a great nation and the longest lasting modern-day continuous democracy (in terms of full suffrage).

 

[tres borrachos]

Democrat scheme to flood America with poor uneducated future democrat voters just got bitch slapped to the gutter.

I love when Trump Fan Nation says ignorant things. Makes me giggle. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Carl Young]

I feel there's more diversity in opinion in the Dem Party, than the Party of Trump.

The Democrats are the party of censorship and cancel culture.

But you are right, in that neither party is really showing that wide of a latitude amongst its members. At least not from what I remember in years past - from a Dem perspective.

Agreed.

 

[Carl Young]

I love when Trump Fan Nation says ignorant things. Makes me giggle. Thanks for the laugh.

Nothing demonstrates intelligent thought more than giggling.

 

[Chomsky]

The Democrats are the party of censorship and cancel culture.

Agreed.

And the Republicans have their fidelity to the 'Big Lie'.

Each party has their litmus tests.

 

[Carl Young]

And the Republicans have their fidelity to the 'Big Lie'.

Each party has their litmus tests.

What is the "Big Lie"? I try to be an honest man,

 

[tres borrachos]

Nothing demonstrates intelligent thought more than giggling.

I couldn't agree more. That's why we smart people giggle at the ignorance of Trump Fan Nation.

 

[ClaraD]

This shouldn't be a 'twist'. It should be clear that changes to immigration laws are not a budget reconciliation issue. I'm surprised they would even ask. It's good to see that the parliamentarian is sticking to the rules - and disappointing (but not surprising) that Chuck Schumer is happy to discard them.

I wish that democrats would shift focus to more incremental change. Pass smaller bills where there is agreement, rather than squandering opportunities trying to force through these massive packages.

it wouldn't be the first time that non related things are added to an important bill that is being pushed through.

 

[ClaraD]

Why do you like democracy in action with a slim majority? Doesnt this marginalize the minority?

Wouldnt it make more sense for them to work on things everyone generally agrees with?

If they did that then immigration reform would have been passed long ago...the vast majority of Americans are for immigration reform.

 

[Bullseye]

And that's a good thing!

We're Americans. We're diverse. We should all be bringing diverse ideas to the table. Each & every one of us. Then, while respecting each other as fellow Americans firstly, we need to hammer-out compromise to move the country forward with uniquely American solutions. And in my opinion, the way for long-lasting effectual positive legislation, is best served by leading through the middle.

The above sounds antiquated and almost childishly ideological. It is. But it's in part what made us a great nation and the longest lasting modern-day continuous democracy (in terms of full suffrage).

I tend to agree with you; however what I've heard is not working together for the good of the country - more like fighting to defend their individual rice bowls, damn the cost to other victim groups. About as far away from what you've said above as can be.

 

[Bullseye]

That isnt allowed in the Republican Party, anyone who doesn't kiss Trumps ass is marginalized.

Wrong, but in keeping with the tons of horse manure you lefties are being fed daily.

 

[Roadvirus]

If they did that then immigration reform would have been passed long ago...the vast majority of Americans are for immigration reform.

Reform? Yes
Amnesty? No.