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Democrats block 20-week abortion ban[W:123***459]

Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Henrin said:
That's what abortion is more times than not.
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I agree.

I agree.

But it is my opinion that a woman who decides she wants to terminate a pregnancy occurring within her own body...

...should have the absolute right to do so.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

JayDubya said:
Despicable.
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So I am not allowed to have the opinion...without it being called despicable?




Indeed, you think it's okay for one human being to hire someone to kill another human being, at least in some cases.
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No, I do not. And it is that kind of thing that makes reasonable discussion of subjects like this nearly impossible.




I do not.
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Good. I would hope you wouldn't.

Neither do I.




There really isn't any logical reason to support what you support, but sure, it's an opinion that you have.
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There is as much in the way of logical reasoning to support my position...as there is to support yours.

The fact that you have to characterize my reasoning as illogical...rather than just different from yours...tells a lot about the kind of discussion on this issue you can have.

Which is to say...not much.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

joG said:
You can make many things legal. A boyhood friend's father ran a hospital with a euthanasia program for the handicapped. They had to give it up, when the law was changed. So, yes. Presently we allow even uneducated low iq girls to have serial abortions.
I do not agree that it should be so.
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Fine. You have that right.

I am willing to accept the law as it is...even when I disagree with it.
 
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Frank Apisa said:
Good.

The decision to abort or not to abort should be made by the pregnant woman...with, if she chooses, the advise of her doctor.
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Would you be alright with an 8 month pregnancy being aborted without there being any health issues?
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Frank Apisa said:
Well...we have a difference of opinion here.

Too bad you cannot express your difference with a bit more class and logic.
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Not quite.

Whats really too bad is that he falsely identifies himself as libertarian...

Well, not everyone knows how to define themselves :lol:

I agree with the OP. Abortion will never go away, many times, rights simply never do vanish.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Frank Apisa said:
So I am not allowed to have the opinion...without it being called despicable?
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You're allowed to have your opinion. I'm allowed to have the opinion that your opinion is despicable. I'm also allowed to let you know that.

No, I do not. And it is that kind of thing that makes reasonable discussion of subjects like this nearly impossible.
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Yes, you objectively do. There is no way for you to deny that you support exactly that; at best, you could be failing to understand what the words in that sentence mean, but I doubt it.

Good. I would hope you wouldn't.

Neither do I.
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False. I do not support contract killing; you objectively do.

There is as much in the way of logical reasoning to support my position...as there is to support yours.
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False. It is very logical to be consistent in how we treat other human beings; your position is that we should treat others differently based on arbitrary characteristics.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

joG said:
Bad.

The decision should be by the father and mother together, if you want the father to be responsible for child support and want to allow privat individuals to decide life or death for humans.
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We often don't know the biological father. When men can gestate children they can have a say in their own pregnancies.
 
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GunFora said:
Would you be alright with an 8 month pregnancy being aborted without there being any health issues?
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I would be okay with a woman deciding to end a pregnancy occurring in her own body...no matter what time spans are involved.
 
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Luftwaffe said:
Whats really too bad is that he falsely identifies himself as libertarian...\.
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The Non-Aggression Principle is the central tenet of libertarianism; you don't follow it.

You calling others "false" while you have abandoned the single most important principle of the philosophy is laughable.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Frank Apisa said:
I would be okay with a woman deciding to end a pregnancy occurring in her own body...no matter what time spans are involved.
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I see. So the perfectly healthy and viable baby inside her has zero rights and shouldn't be afforded any protection? Kill the baby if mom says it's OK?
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

JayDubya said:
You're allowed to have your opinion. I'm allowed to have the opinion that your opinion is despicable. I'm also allowed to let you know that.



Yes, you objectively do. There is no way for you to deny that you support exactly that; at best, you could be failing to understand what the words in that sentence mean, but I doubt it.



False. I do not support contract killing; you objectively do.



False. It is very logical to be consistent in how we treat other human beings; your position is that we should treat others differently based on arbitrary characteristics.
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As I alluded to earlier, Jay...you are a huge part of the problem on this issue...and not a part of the solution at all.

But...be happy in what you do.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

JayDubya said:
You're allowed to have your opinion. I'm allowed to have the opinion that your opinion is despicable. I'm also allowed to let you know that.



Yes, you objectively do. There is no way for you to deny that you support exactly that; at best, you could be failing to understand what the words in that sentence mean, but I doubt it.



False. I do not support contract killing; you objectively do.



False. It is very logical to be consistent in how we treat other human beings; your position is that we should treat others differently based on arbitrary characteristics.
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Humans are very unique creatures with very distinct differences from other animals. This is not so of early term fetuses where humans traits have not developed. Calling them human is a insult to humanity.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

JayDubya said:
The Non-Aggression Principle is the central tenet of libertarianism; you don't follow it.

You calling others "false" while you have abandoned the single most important principle of the philosophy is laughable.
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I never knew the non aggression principle applied to parasites.

Perhaps the next time you get a tapeworm or something you better keep it alive.

Does it also apply to animals too or osmething?

Stop eating meat.

No, it applies to living human beings. A fetus aint a living human being. Youre views scale more towards totalitarian than libertarian.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

GunFora said:
I see. So the perfectly healthy and viable baby inside her has zero rights and shouldn't be afforded any protection? Kill the baby if mom says it's OK?
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I a woman decides to end a pregnancy occurring within her own body...she should be the sole decider of that fact...and you, or the government, should not intrude.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Frank Apisa said:
As I alluded to earlier, Jay...you are a huge part of the problem on this issue...and not a part of the solution at all.
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Projection; you don't even understand the words you're saying and you can't logically defend them, which is typical for pro-abort extremists. That is the problem.
 
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iguanaman said:
Humans are very unique creatures with very distinct differences from other animals. This is not so of early term fetuses where humans traits have not developed. Calling them human is a insult to humanity.
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That's ridiculous. Calling a human in it's earliest stages of development a human is not an insult to humanity, it's a fact. Facts are not insults to humanity.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Luftwaffe said:
I never knew the non aggression principle applied to parasites.
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Nope. You fail Bio 101.

Just laughably ignorant of fact.

A fetus aint a living human being.
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Absolutely and utterly stupid statement completely at odds with reality. Forget Bio 101, you fail middle school science.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

Frank Apisa said:
I a woman decides to end a pregnancy occurring within her own body...she should be the sole decider of that fact...and you, or the government, should not intrude.
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Just to be clear...if a woman decides to kill her unborn baby 5 minutes before her scheduled C-section, that's acceptable...but if she decides to kill her 5 minute old newborn...that's not ok?
 
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Henrin said:
That's ridiculous. Calling a human in it's earliest stages of development a human is not an insult to humanity, it's a fact. Facts are not insults to humanity.
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You have a very low opinion of what constitutes humanity then. Why am I not surprised? Snot and fingernail clipping have human DNA.
 
Re: Democrats block 20-week abortion ban

iguanaman said:
You have a very low opinion of what constitutes humanity then. Why am I not surprised? Snot and fingernail clipping have human DNA.
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Those who support abortion don't really have much room to talk when it comes to humanity; if they have any, they already consider it cheap.
 
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