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By your messages it definitely is to you.
It's not about the economics, it's about the color of their skin.
CA = all democrats. Try again.
And uh... remind me how CA has ordered state officials to prevent the feds from securing that 100ish mile (out of thousands of total) border w/ Mexico. Because people in CA voting for and not voting out politicians who want to give benefits to illegals - rightly or wrongly - is not causing there to be open borders. The feds control the border, albeit crappily.
Shame Trump wants to take the dumbest approach possible rather than the mix recommended by people who actually do care: walls in some places, sensing equipment (fiberoptic wires, drones, etc), patrols, and more elsewhere. It's a difficult terrain in parts, and simply building a wall isn't going to do ****. If migration patterns adjust in response to changes, more changes should be made. But they need to be intelligent. It's a dynamic situation.
But Trump and his supporters want a show, not a result. So the fight has to be about a stupid ****ing wall, now doesn't it? Idiocracy.
Of course the dumbest thing about all this is if we had forced national e-verify (note: this can include playing games like withholding highway funds if unrelated state measures aren't adopted.....as they did with the drinking age) and a seriously ramped up penalty/enforcement system aimed at employers of illegals like Trump Organization, we'd cut off the purpose for people who aren't genuinely fleeing violence to come here. If they couldn't get a job, they wouldn't come here. You might get some, sure, and they'd go into cash-only or illegal businesses. But you'd cut out the vast bulk of anyone who is coming here simply to try to make more money.
And of course the sickest thing about it is that many are fleeing horrible situations. Maybe we can't afford to intervene in their country and rebuild it (and we wouldn't be able to get it right anyway. We never do). But if they're legit fleeing from violence and are good people willing to work what in the precise **** is supposed to be the problem?
Extra credit: we all know that Team Trump has been actively minimizing lawful asylum and other immigration procedures, right? He's not just going after illegal immigration.
I'll not just bold this but color code it: In fact, what he is doing - clamp down on lawful immigration, announce we'll be closing borders, then advocate for the one thing least likely to stop illegals - is designed to manufacture a crisis; to increase illegal immigration while providing a solution unlikely to be adopted which, if adopted, would not stop illegal immigration.
People who aren't lying in a bid to score an Internets Point against a perceived other side.
Here's some facts. About 8 million of illegal immigrants have jobs, making up 5 percent of the U.S. workforce. Most concentrated in border states like California and Texas, where they make up about 9 percent of both states' workforces, while in Nevada, their share is over 10 percent.
Another fact that I'll bet you didn't know is that undocumented immigrants pay millions of dollars in state taxes — even in the reddest states. Yes, you're surprised and you don't believe it, but it's the truth. In fact, undocumented immigrants contribute billions of dollars in federal taxes each year, and their income taxes and payroll tax dollars are keeping Social Security and Medicare solvent. It’s also worth noting that undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollars in state and local taxes each year — in all 50 states.
That includes $7 billion in sales taxes and excise taxes, which are those paid on specific items like gas sales and vehicle registrations. Undocumented immigrants, like everyone else, pay for highway repairs, state courts, police, and firefighters. They also paid about $1.1 billion in state income taxes and $3.6 billion in property taxes that year — money that funds public schools, garbage collection, and other city services.
Undocumented workers contribute the most tax dollars to states with the largest populations: California, Texas, and New York. Yet some states that benefit the most from their tax money are red and blue states that Trump won in 2016: Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina, and Arizona.
Oh, so you thought that undocumented workers are a drain on our government and take away your jobs? Well, you couldn't be more wrong. Health care is a right, not a privilege and giving subsidies to WORKING undocumented families is exactly the right thing to do. And guess what else? All those taxes they pay to the state and feds is money they'll never see. They can't ever collect the social security they're paying into, they can't go on Medicare when they turn 65, and they can't collect unemployment benefits.
Read more, get your mind out of the Trump anti-immigrant mindset gutter.
Illegal immigration taxes: Unauthorized immigrants pay state taxes - Vox
Why do they keep denying it?
All of that is nonsense. Overall illegal migrants overwhelmingly cost more by every measure.
All of that is nonsense. Overall illegal migrants overwhelmingly cost more by every measure.
Nobody should come here illegally. Nobody. There is a front door for legal immigration.
There is a front door for legal immigration.
All of that is nonsense. Overall illegal migrants overwhelmingly cost more by every measure.
Are you serious?
And many of you were in elementary school when you learned the toughest lesson of all on 9/11. There are no walls big enough to stop people from anywhere, tens of thousand miles away, who are determined to take their own lives while they target others. Not in a clash of civilizations, but in an assault, a raw assault on civilization itself.
So I think that everything that we’ve lived and learned tells us that we will never come out on top if we accept advice from soundbite salesmen and carnival barkers who pretend the most powerful country on Earth can remain great by looking inward and hiding behind walls at a time that technology has made that impossible to do and unwise to even attempt.
Today, we face a world that is much more complicated, less hierarchical, where non-state actors play a central role; where disturbing images and outright lies can circle the globe in an instant; where dangers like climate change, terrorism, and disease do not respect borders or any of the norms of behavior; and where tribal and sectarian hatreds are as prominent as they have been in centuries.
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It seems obvious that understanding to – the need to engage with the greater world, with the wider world should be a threshold requirement for those in high office. And yet the specter of isolationism once again hovers over our nation. I thought we had learned the lessons from the 20th century when an isolationist foreign policy and a protectionist tariff policy contributed to two global wars and the Great Depression.
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One of those mountains is the effort to safeguard future generations from the harmful effects of climate change.
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And in the years ahead, we will need an all-out global commitment to clean air, clean harbors, clean coasts, renewable energy, and the preservation of our endangered ocean and marine resources. And I say to you today with certainty, this is one of the great challenges of our time.
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Today, extreme poverty worldwide has fallen below 10 percent for the first time in history. The revolution that is taking place on a global basis has brought hundreds of millions of people in India, hundreds of millions of people in China into the middle class. And while that’s welcome news, we’re not satisfied because 700 million people still have to survive on less than what it costs for us to grab a couple of Dunkin Donuts a day, because the gap – the gap that was referred to earlier between rich and poor – remains far too wide.
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There is absolutely no reason – (applause) – there is absolutely no reason to believe that we can’t do the same for malaria and the same for the Zika virus. Right now, if we uphold and continue our commitments to critical global health programs in Africa, we can see the birth of the first AIDS-free generation – an extraordinary accomplishment.
Nobody should come here illegally. Nobody. There is a front door for legal immigration.
Why do they keep denying it? They give illegals numerous incentives to come here.
California lawmakers agree to health benefits for immigrants
According to Trump's announcement, the illegal problem is fixed now.
It's not about the economics, it's about the color of their skin.
LOL :roll:
Turn off Maddow.
Link where Trump said the illegal problem is fixed now?
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Donald Trump said:This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States.
So you can't read either.
Trump says "greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States", I consider taking him at his word and therefore consider the matter closed, and I can't help it if you don't believe him.
So you can't read either.
Trump says "greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States", I consider taking him at his word and therefore consider the matter closed, and I can't help it if you don't believe him.
He did not say that either...
You snipped context.
The only context that matters. Sorry, you guys do it to us ALL the time. Don't like it? Tough beans.
"This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States."
I consider the matter closed and the issue solved.
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Oh I see. That makes all that Bircherite nonsense okay then. Got it.
Not to worry.
As soon as the Dems succeed in their coup d'état against our elected President and once again occupy the White House, they will proudly admit that they (and a lot of Republican businesspeople) want open borders.
They may actually withdraw all border agents so that people can simply walk/drive/fly across the "border" at will.
Some people have long dreamed of the United States and Mexico and Canada as one nation.
With each passing year, that goal is becoming a reality.
The only context that matters. Sorry, you guys do it to us ALL the time. Don't like it? Tough beans.
"This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States."
I consider the matter closed and the issue solved.
He did not say that either...
You snipped context.
You better believe that I can read...
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I am pleased to inform you that The United States of America has reached a signed agreement with Mexico. The Tariffs scheduled to be implemented by the U.S. on Monday, against Mexico, are hereby indefinitely suspended. Mexico, in turn, has agreed to take strong measures to....
....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "....stem the tide of Migration through Mexico, and to our Southern Border. This is being done to greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States. Details of the agreement will be released shortly by the State Department. Thank you!"
Here's the kicker
Legal immigration is much worse
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