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Democrat Socialists vs Tea Party; Watch for the tsunami in November.

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Left wingers are now happily telling themselves that the Tea Party movement is rent by factional differences, thus rendered powerless. This is mere “whistling past the graveyard,” denial. If wishful thinking were a sporting event the left would be gold prize winners.

The Tea Party Movement IS a coalition of libertarians like me, joined by our traditional values friends and, with what Obama is trying to do to business, business conservatives (who will help finance the revolt.) But let’s not leave out a huge segment; so called "independents." Many of these former clueless moderates even mistakenly voted for Obama in '08 (now ashamed to admit it to pollsters); for "hope" and "change" whatever THAT meant since Obama and our left leaning media cleverly concealed his real socialist agenda. Now these folks are saying, "Hey, THAT is not what I voted for!" Socialism at home and spineless appeasement abroad is not "hope" though it IS "change" for the worse! Take a look at the "right track, wrong track" polling data.

You'll also find "foreign policy hawks" and "neo-cons" like me (there are lots of libertarian “hawks”) strongly supporting the movement. This group tends to be a bit too intellectual for participation in grass roots mass movements. But they're in strong support! Thinkers like Elliot Abrams and Richard Perle provide superb foreign policy guidance.

Don’t forget disillusioned Democrats. I personally know four such people who’ve actually gone to the length of changing their party registration to GOP. But many other conservative to “moderate” Democrats are appalled with the gang of leftover 1960’s radicals who’ve taken over the party of Jefferson and Jackson. They are quite willing to vote Republican until their party regains its senses. Democratic Leadership Council, are you still out there? You’ll find some of these at Tea Party rallies.

You may well observe that these groups disagree on many issues. I, for one, am "pro-choice" though happy to support my religious conservative coalition partners on such a grisly issue as partial birth abortions; genuine infanticide. We agree to disagree on the issue itself, though we concur that Roe v Wade was bad law; inventing "rights" that do not appear in the Constitution. It is really a STATE matter and the grasping federal government has no place in the debate. I'll tell you what it boils down to. I'm willing to defer to other members of the conservative coalition on "social " issues and expect similar deference on my important areas; school choice, drastically downsizing government, free trade, elimination of business regulation etc.

What’s important is what we AGREE on; Obama and the Democrat-socialist congress are a national DISASTER heading the country into insolvency, galloping inflation and economic meltdown and our people to serfdom. Get ready, because in November were going to CLEAN THE DEMOCRAT-SOCIALISTS CLOCK! With Tea Party assistance, the GOP is going to take over the US House and possibly even the Senate; or at least achieve a minority sufficient to permanently block Obama’s vile statist programs and radical left wing court appointments. In 2012, we’ll DUMP Obama and elect a genuine principled conservative (leaves out Romney of MA Romneycare fame.) Might then be a good time for a constitutional convention to prevent anything like this ever happening again. No nation can survive demagogue generated mob rule. Thomas Jefferson noted, when people discover that they may enrich themselves by “despoiling their betters” a representative republic perishes.

After that we may again begin disagreeing on things.
 
Left wingers are now happily telling themselves that the Tea Party movement is rent by factional differences, thus rendered powerless. This is mere “whistling past the graveyard,” denial. If wishful thinking were a sporting event the left would be gold prize winners.

The Tea Party Movement IS a coalition of libertarians like me, joined by our traditional values friends and, with what Obama is trying to do to business, business conservatives (who will help finance the revolt.) But let’s not leave out a huge segment; so called "independents." Many of these former clueless moderates even mistakenly voted for Obama in '08 (now ashamed to admit it to pollsters); for "hope" and "change" whatever THAT meant since Obama and our left leaning media cleverly concealed his real socialist agenda. Now these folks are saying, "Hey, THAT is not what I voted for!" Socialism at home and spineless appeasement abroad is not "hope" though it IS "change" for the worse! Take a look at the "right track, wrong track" polling data.

You'll also find "foreign policy hawks" and "neo-cons" like me (there are lots of libertarian “hawks”) strongly supporting the movement. This group tends to be a bit too intellectual for participation in grass roots mass movements. But they're in strong support! Thinkers like Elliot Abrams and Richard Perle provide superb foreign policy guidance.

Don’t forget disillusioned Democrats. I personally know four such people who’ve actually gone to the length of changing their party registration to GOP. But many other conservative to “moderate” Democrats are appalled with the gang of leftover 1960’s radicals who’ve taken over the party of Jefferson and Jackson. They are quite willing to vote Republican until their party regains its senses. Democratic Leadership Council, are you still out there? You’ll find some of these at Tea Party rallies.

You may well observe that these groups disagree on many issues. I, for one, am "pro-choice" though happy to support my religious conservative coalition partners on such a grisly issue as partial birth abortions; genuine infanticide. We agree to disagree on the issue itself, though we concur that Roe v Wade was bad law; inventing "rights" that do not appear in the Constitution. It is really a STATE matter and the grasping federal government has no place in the debate. I'll tell you what it boils down to. I'm willing to defer to other members of the conservative coalition on "social " issues and expect similar deference on my important areas; school choice, drastically downsizing government, free trade, elimination of business regulation etc.

What’s important is what we AGREE on; Obama and the Democrat-socialist congress are a national DISASTER heading the country into insolvency, galloping inflation and economic meltdown and our people to serfdom. Get ready, because in November were going to CLEAN THE DEMOCRAT-SOCIALISTS CLOCK! With Tea Party assistance, the GOP is going to take over the US House and possibly even the Senate; or at least achieve a minority sufficient to permanently block Obama’s vile statist programs and radical left wing court appointments. In 2012, we’ll DUMP Obama and elect a genuine principled conservative (leaves out Romney of MA Romneycare fame.) Might then be a good time for a constitutional convention to prevent anything like this ever happening again. No nation can survive demagogue generated mob rule. Thomas Jefferson noted, when people discover that they may enrich themselves by “despoiling their betters” a representative republic perishes.

After that we may again begin disagreeing on things.

I like how "Democrat-socialist" is used in tandem, its almost like you have some understanding of what either term means, but I'm not sure.

Conservatism is the way of the past, the way of no, the way of obstruction, the way of greed.

And I'm not even going to attack the laughable libertarian anachronism that is free trade. :rofl
 
I have a (useless) MA in German history from my wild misspent youth. I know EXACTLY what socialism is; an utterly failed political ecnomic theory that's being thrown out by every rapidly growing economy (China, India, Chile etc.) It has created economic stagnation and a perpetual underclass of unemployed averaging 10% during GOOD times in "old" Europe. It is the phiosophy of economic illiterate populist emotion driven boobs and resentful University academics whom nobody pays attention to. It is the ecomomics of criminals, based as it is on theft.
 
Beautiful description pal. I love it! Socialism is definately for losers.

I like your "handle." I could use AR-15, .40 Walther, or 12 gage. As Sarah says, "keep your powder dry."

Watch, now THAT will be interpreted as "hate speech" or a "call to violence." Liberals are really SO completely absurd. They'd be comic if not so dangerous.
 
I have a (useless) MA in German history from my wild misspent youth. I know EXACTLY what socialism is; an utterly failed political ecnomic theory that's being thrown out by every rapidly growing economy (China, India, Chile etc.) It has created economic stagnation and a perpetual underclass of unemployed averaging 10% during GOOD times in "old" Europe. It is the phiosophy of economic illiterate populist emotion driven boobs and resentful University academics whom nobody pays attention to. It is the ecomomics of criminals, based as it is on theft.

So how exactly is Obama promoting that then?
 
So how exactly is Obama promoting that then?

If you can't see it you're not worth talking to. One does not suffer fools gladly. Did you actually read what I described Eruosocialism to be. It is PRECISELY what Obama is attempting to foist on US. Stop it cold in November though; fillibuster til then.
 
If you can't see it you're not worth talking to.

Wow, that's really lame. Really really lame.

You sure did type an awful long, passionate screed to start this thread, yet you can't be bothered to back up your argument with actual evidence?

If you and the tea partiers can't even articulate what your greivances are, you're not going to get far.
 
Wow, that's really lame. Really really lame.

You sure did type an awful long, passionate screed to start this thread, yet you can't be bothered to back up your argument with actual evidence?

If you and the tea partiers can't even articulate what your greivances are, you're not going to get far.

You in no way contradicted anything I wrote, nor offered any conflicting historical evedence. One does not suffer fools gladly.
 
You in no way contradicted anything I wrote, nor offered any conflicting historical evedence.

You offered nothing specific to contradict.

I ask again - how exactly has Obama instituted "socialism?" Either point to where you said so in this thread, or tell me. If you are here to debate, debate. If you are here to throw a tantrum and insist you are right because you stomp your foot really loud, let me know and I'll stop wasting my time on you.

So far, you're a perfect example of why most people don't take the tea partiers seriously.
 
You offered nothing specific to contradict.

I ask again - how exactly has Obama instituted "socialism?" Either point to where you said so in this thread, or tell me. If you are here to debate, debate. If you are here to throw a tantrum and insist you are right because you stomp your foot really loud, let me know and I'll stop wasting my time on you.

So far, you're a perfect example of why most people don't take the tea partiers seriously.


You seem not to have actually read the original post or in any way contradicted or offered evidence against the historically valid statements made there. I'll make it simple for you.

1.Virtually taking over the entire US financial industry and NOW proposing "reform" that would make that industry something like a "public utility" utterly subservient to government.

2. In European socialist fashion, TAKING OVER, NATIONALIZING, half of the US Auto Industry to "save" it. European governments have been doing this for years; been a fiasco.

3. Attempting to have the federal government CONTROL directly 1/6 of the US economy; healthcare sector. Yes his legislation apparently allows the Health Insurance Industry to live, for now, until it may be properly driven out of business by the very government regulations it is forced to accept. Make no mistake, the utlimate goal of Obamacare is a Canadian style (failed) "single payer" socialist system.

If you don't see how that is socialism, you're blind.
 
You seem not to have actually read the original post or in any way contradicted or offered evidence against the historically valid statements made there.

There are no specifics about Obama in your OP, just vague slogans.

1.Virtually taking over the entire US financial industry and NOW proposing "reform" that would make that industry something like a "public utility" utterly subservient to government.

Finally! You sure spent alot of effort making excuses.

No, the financial industry has not been "taken over." That's totally absurd. And the bailout was initiated by Bush.

2. In European socialist fashion, TAKING OVER, NATIONALIZING, half of the US Auto Industry to "save" it. European governments have been doing this for years; been a fiasco.

This is a temporary measure involving a very small portion of the total U.S. economy. GM is already starting to pay back its loans, and the government will divest itself soon, and maybe make a profit (like it's doing with the bank bailout).

You could call this "socialism" but it's temporary.

3. Attempting to have the federal government CONTROL directly 1/6 of the US economy; healthcare sector.

Again, completely bull****. The government will not "CONTROL directly" health care.

Make no mistake, the utlimate goal of Obamacare is a Canadian style (failed) "single payer" socialist system.

Yeah yeah yeah, it's a big conspiracy. Let us know if it actually happens.

If you don't see how that is socialism, you're blind.

Did I not explain to you already that I don't accept lame "arguments" like this?
 
Again, completely bull****. The government will not "CONTROL directly" health care.

Isn't it amazing how some of these conservatives come up with their talking points?

The government taxes people who don't buy private insurance so that they will buy PRIVATE insurance and somehow that equates to a take over of 1/6 of the economy.

Insurance companies are still private.

Everyone except Medicare, Medicaid, and veterans will be on private insurance programs.

Hospitals and doctors will still be private practitioners operating independently.

BUT IT'S JUST LIKE CANADA!!!

This is a stupid, pointless conversation. If someone has drunk the koolaid and really believes that 1+1=11 then we've passed the point of changing their minds or reasoning with them.
 
This is a stupid, pointless conversation. If someone has drunk the koolaid and really believes that 1+1=11 then we've passed the point of changing their minds or reasoning with them.

Yeah, that's obvious, and I'm not going to expect any better out of it, or spend more time on it.
 
I have the same handle on my youtube account and I love the way it annoys the heck out of libs. I can always tell when a lib loses an arguement he'll start gibbering hysterically about my handle. I've been called a lot of uncomplimentary things my libs for it.
 
I have the same handle on my youtube account and I love the way it annoys the heck out of libs. I can always tell when a lib loses an arguement he'll start gibbering hysterically about my handle. I've been called a lot of uncomplimentary things my libs for it.

Let us know when you have some substance to add, new guy.
 
I think that when the count is done, the House and Senate will remain pretty much with the same numbers. The conservative movement is not at all as strong as it would like eveyone to believe. Not if you conceive conservatives as being Evangelicals, War Firsters, and big bank supporters.
 
That's simply wishful thinking Simba. There is no doubt the Dems will take a major hit this Fall, as voters grow angrier every day with the arrogance coming from Washington. In spite of all the lofty rhetoric from Obama on the campaign trail about healing the country and bringing us together, he's been an extreemly divisive and partisan prez. We've become an Obamanation and the country is angry and ready for real change. The only question is will there be enough of a tidal wave to repeat 1994. BTW Simba, how do you "conceive conservatives"?
 
Thanks, You have the right to your opinion however misguided it may be. Rather Boone's Farm and a trailer park, than coke and the back street alley needed to conceive libs.
 
Thanks, You have the right to your opinion however misguided it may be. Rather Boone's Farm and a trailer park, than coke and the back street alley needed to conceive libs.

It's not my opinion, it's a joke. Just laugh and make your own and move on.

Here, I'll give you the opening: how do you concieve a liberal? If you can't think of something, I can.
 
Well it's a good joke if you stereotype conservatives as uneducated redneck hicks. I wasn't in the slightest offended and I'll admit it had me snickering for a while inspite of myself. Originally I was poking fun at Simba's use of the word.

How do you conceive a liberal? Answer: Jesse Jackson + Karin Stanford
 
Well it's a good joke if you stereotype conservatives as uneducated redneck hicks. I wasn't in the slightest offended and I'll admit it had me snickering for a while inspite of myself. Originally I was poking fun at Simba's use of the word.

Okay, cool.

How do you conceive a liberal? Answer: Jesse Jackson + Karin Stanford

Not bad.
 
Thanks, You have the right to your opinion however misguided it may be. Rather Boone's Farm and a trailer park, than coke and the back street alley needed to conceive libs.

Coke is so yesterday...... crack is the drug of preference with libs.

(That was all net :mrgreen: )
 
Coke is so yesterday...... crack is the drug of preference with libs.

(That was all net :mrgreen: )

And conservatives drink the kool-aid!
 
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