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[B said:[/B]Wehrwolfen;1062261492]By John Ransom
September 1, 2013
Don wrote: Just how many vacation days did President George W. Bush take during his reign? - Obama on Vacation: The $28,429,533.47 Man (Obama on Vacation: The $28,429,533.47 Man - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page 1)
Dear Comrade Don,
George W. Bush took vacations either at his own home in Texas or at his parents’ place in Kennebunkport. That’s not the same thing as flying off to South Africa on safari or touring Brazil or hanging at Martha’s Vineyard.
It’d be nice to see the Obamas go back to Illinois, back to Hyde Park for a vacation, and hey, it would lower their carbon footprint too.
But when exactly have liberals been a "do-as-I-do" kind of people?
The most consistent feature of liberal legislation is that it exempts them and their lobbyists, unions and corporate pals from the effects of the social engineering they foist on the rest of us.
Bush at least had the sense to hang up his golf bags and not play golf after 9/11.
Obama, on the other hand, avoids Chicago.
Perhaps that’s because he helped make Chicago the toilet that it’s become.
Whatever else you can say about Chicago, it’s a city that has been forged and refined by Democrats, like Obama.
When I was growing up there, the city at least functioned.
Today it’s just a shooting gallery. (Homicides -- Chicago Crime -- ChicagoTribune.com)
And why not?
Cook County produces wonderful legislators like Jan Schakowsky (D-Socialist) whose husband was convicted of bank fraud, and failure to withhold taxes; and – I think there is more shame in this- was honored in 2000 by the Democratic Socialists of America(Democratic Socialists of America) with the Debs Award with the note: “Your work and your life honors the memory of Eugene V. Debs, Norman Thomas and Michael Harrington and continues their legacy of struggle for social justice. For your dedication to the fight for a just society, the Debs - Thomas - Harrington Dinner Committee hereby presents to you its annual award on this 5th day of May, 2000.”
I guess bank fraud and socialism do go together. If you understand how one works, you probably have a great understanding of the other too.
Anyway, I wouldn’t want to go back and live in Chicago no matter how big a mansion I owned, especially if, like Obama, I lived in Hyde Park.
And it’s not likely I’d ever go back unless I went there to clean it up.
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Read more:
Democrat Economics Work Great if You're: 1) In Congress; or 2) Aren't Human - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page full
Hmm..., how much did it cost the American tax payer each time G.W. Bush went to his ranch or Kennebunkport for a respite as compared to the extravagant Obama vacations?
By John Ransom
September 1, 2013
Don wrote: Just how many vacation days did President George W. Bush take during his reign? - Obama on Vacation: The $28,429,533.47 Man (Obama on Vacation: The $28,429,533.47 Man - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page 1)
Dear Comrade Don,
George W. Bush took vacations either at his own home in Texas or at his parents’ place in Kennebunkport. That’s not the same thing as flying off to South Africa on safari or touring Brazil or hanging at Martha’s Vineyard.
It’d be nice to see the Obamas go back to Illinois, back to Hyde Park for a vacation, and hey, it would lower their carbon footprint too.
But when exactly have liberals been a "do-as-I-do" kind of people?
The most consistent feature of liberal legislation is that it exempts them and their lobbyists, unions and corporate pals from the effects of the social engineering they foist on the rest of us.
Bush at least had the sense to hang up his golf bags and not play golf after 9/11.
Obama, on the other hand, avoids Chicago.
Perhaps that’s because he helped make Chicago the toilet that it’s become.
Whatever else you can say about Chicago, it’s a city that has been forged and refined by Democrats, like Obama.
When I was growing up there, the city at least functioned.
Today it’s just a shooting gallery. (Homicides -- Chicago Crime -- ChicagoTribune.com)
And why not?
Cook County produces wonderful legislators like Jan Schakowsky (D-Socialist) whose husband was convicted of bank fraud, and failure to withhold taxes; and – I think there is more shame in this- was honored in 2000 by the Democratic Socialists of America(Democratic Socialists of America) with the Debs Award with the note: “Your work and your life honors the memory of Eugene V. Debs, Norman Thomas and Michael Harrington and continues their legacy of struggle for social justice. For your dedication to the fight for a just society, the Debs - Thomas - Harrington Dinner Committee hereby presents to you its annual award on this 5th day of May, 2000.”
I guess bank fraud and socialism do go together. If you understand how one works, you probably have a great understanding of the other too.
Anyway, I wouldn’t want to go back and live in Chicago no matter how big a mansion I owned, especially if, like Obama, I lived in Hyde Park.
And it’s not likely I’d ever go back unless I went there to clean it up.
[Excerpt]
Read more:
Democrat Economics Work Great if You're: 1) In Congress; or 2) Aren't Human - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page full
Hmm..., how much did it cost the American tax payer each time G.W. Bush went to his ranch or Kennebunkport for a respite as compared to the extravagant Obama vacations?
By John Ransom
September 1, 2013
Don wrote: Just how many vacation days did President George W. Bush take during his reign? - Obama on Vacation: The $28,429,533.47 Man (Obama on Vacation: The $28,429,533.47 Man - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page 1)
Dear Comrade Don,
George W. Bush took vacations either at his own home in Texas or at his parents’ place in Kennebunkport. That’s not the same thing as flying off to South Africa on safari or touring Brazil or hanging at Martha’s Vineyard.
It’d be nice to see the Obamas go back to Illinois, back to Hyde Park for a vacation, and hey, it would lower their carbon footprint too.
But when exactly have liberals been a "do-as-I-do" kind of people?
The most consistent feature of liberal legislation is that it exempts them and their lobbyists, unions and corporate pals from the effects of the social engineering they foist on the rest of us.
Bush at least had the sense to hang up his golf bags and not play golf after 9/11.
Obama, on the other hand, avoids Chicago.
Perhaps that’s because he helped make Chicago the toilet that it’s become.
Whatever else you can say about Chicago, it’s a city that has been forged and refined by Democrats, like Obama.
When I was growing up there, the city at least functioned.
Today it’s just a shooting gallery. (Homicides -- Chicago Crime -- ChicagoTribune.com)
And why not?
Cook County produces wonderful legislators like Jan Schakowsky (D-Socialist) whose husband was convicted of bank fraud, and failure to withhold taxes; and – I think there is more shame in this- was honored in 2000 by the Democratic Socialists of America(Democratic Socialists of America) with the Debs Award with the note: “Your work and your life honors the memory of Eugene V. Debs, Norman Thomas and Michael Harrington and continues their legacy of struggle for social justice. For your dedication to the fight for a just society, the Debs - Thomas - Harrington Dinner Committee hereby presents to you its annual award on this 5th day of May, 2000.”
I guess bank fraud and socialism do go together. If you understand how one works, you probably have a great understanding of the other too.
Anyway, I wouldn’t want to go back and live in Chicago no matter how big a mansion I owned, especially if, like Obama, I lived in Hyde Park.
And it’s not likely I’d ever go back unless I went there to clean it up.
[Excerpt]
Read more:
Democrat Economics Work Great if You're: 1) In Congress; or 2) Aren't Human - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page full
Hmm..., how much did it cost the American tax payer each time G.W. Bush went to his ranch or Kennebunkport for a respite as compared to the extravagant Obama vacations?
Obama must be doing a pretty good job if your best shot at criticism of his administration is his vacation choices.
Obama must be doing a pretty good job if your best shot at criticism of his administration is his vacation choices.
and Bush's vacations wouldnt be an issue if he didn't shirk his responsibilities when he was on vacation
"The revelation came this morning, when CIA Director George Tenet was on the stand. Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, asked him when he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001.
Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, "on leave."
"And there you have it. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice has made a big point of the fact that Tenet briefed the president nearly every day. Yet at the peak moment of threat, the two didn't talk at all. At a time when action was needed, and orders for action had to come from the top, the man at the top was resting undisturbed. "
While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard. - Slate Magazine
I'm not sure what you are saying here.
Is the omission of the information from a report supposed to be more damning than refusing improve the security in Benghazi on 5 different requests, refusing to send aid when asked to help the folks being slaughtered, refusing to cooperate with the investigation and actively obstructing the investigation to reveal what actually happened?
Where was Obama and what was he doing when Ambassador Stevens was being killed?
Under Bush, in 8 years, the debt increased by about 5 trillion and under Obama for 4 years, the debt increased by about 6 trillion.
Uh oh, narrative fail. Your link clearly shows debt broken down by Budget years (I post that link too). You're only supposed to post the contrived conservative charts of debt based on inauguration day. And Bush's last Budget ended 9-30-2009 so bush added 6 trillion to the deficit. You can quibble that 150 billion of that was the stimulus but it was necessary to end the Great Bush Recession. So I don't put it into President Obama's column. You can if you want.
It covered only 3 of 12 government segments. Obama signed and was under was under his own budget or lack of one almost immediately from the start of his term.]
" wah wah its Pelosi's fault. Bush can never be held accountable" got it.
anyhoo, Bush signed 3 of the 12 Full year appropriations. He signed half year appropriations for the remaining 9 that ran out in March. President Obama continued the funding for the 9 with minimal increases. mmmm, maybe that's why Bush didn't do his job so cons could post their silly narratives. And read this slowly, the biggest cause of the Bush Deficits was revenue collapse.
Lets review the estimates and actual again for fy 2009. The Great Bush Recession is directly responsible for adding 1.1 trillion to the budget deficit. Bush asked for a 3.1 trillion dollar budget. Revenues were expected to be 2.8 trillion. Hence in early 2008, the FY budget deficit was estimated to be 300 billion (think tax cut). Bush's 3.1 trillion budget was perfectly inline with previous budget increases. Bush asked for 2.9 trillion in 2008 (his first with a dem congress) and he asked for 2.7 for 2007. His last with a republican congress.
Thanks to the Great Bush Recession and Tarp, the CBO revised the FY 2009 up 400 billion and revenues down 450 billion BEFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK OVER. And look, spending came in around the estimate and revenue collapsed another 250 billion (remember recession increase costs and hurt revenue. Worst recession since the depression more so)
FY 2009_______________
Date of estimate___2/1/08___1/7/09___actuals
Total Revenues___2,817___2,357__ 2,105
Total Outlays____3,100___3,543___ 3,518
CBO | The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2008 to 2018 (2008)
CBO | The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2009 to 2019 (2009)
CBO | The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2010 to 2020 (2010)
So Obama was responsible for 50% of the last year of the Bush deficit/first year of the Obama deficit.
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well if you want to state your narrative that way, fine. So President Obama is responsible for 50 % of the predicted budget deficit of 300 billion. that's works for me. So Bush is responsible for 1.1 trillion dollar increase because of the recession and the rest of the original 300. So that puts Bush's responsibility at 1.25 trillion of the 1.4 trillion dollar deficit.
But I don't have to play word games. I can just post the facts. Bush's last Budget deficit was revised to 1.2 trillion before President Obama took over and increased to 1.4 trillion because revenue collapsed even more than estimated.
All I did was look at the numbers in the fullness of time and state history as it actually occurred.
actually you were clearly misstating bush's contribution to the Nat'l debt and when I pointed it out you went on that silly "mean ole Pelosi, poor impotent George" spiel. And get this, not only was revenue destruction was the biggest cause of Bush's last deficit in 2009(pushing his contribution close to 6 trillion, it was the biggest cause of president Obama's budget deficits. that's why they are called the Bush Deficits.
Wow!
Now you're saying that the Obama deficits are Bush's fault?
Is there nothing done by Obama that is actually the doing of Obama? Poor Barrack. He was born with a ready excuse in his mouth.
Your man must be annoyed that you have not yet had your lips surgically removed from his pitute. It must have a negative effect on his tee shot.
Uh oh, narrative fail. Your link clearly shows debt broken down by Budget years (I post that link too). You're only supposed to post the contrived conservative charts of debt based on inauguration day. And Bush's last Budget ended 9-30-2009 so bush added 6 trillion to the deficit. You can quibble that 150 billion of that was the stimulus but it was necessary to end the Great Bush Recession. So I don't put it into President Obama's column. You can if you want.
Let's see then. If the democratic argument is that massive government spending ended the recession and the recession ended in June of 2009 and you are going to put all that deficit spending on Bushs tab, then it was Bush and his policies that ended the recession, not Obama.
Its remarkable how the rewriters of logica and history forget who took office in January 2007, and how they control the purse springs with the presidents agreement? Yeah that little treet lefties always want to forget about - its like facts - they can't stomoch the real one's so they make up their own.
Let's see then. If the democratic argument is that massive government spending ended the recession and the recession ended in June of 2009 and you are going to put all that deficit spending on Bushs tab, then it was Bush and his policies that ended the recession, not Obama.
Let me add that the Bush tax cuts on September 30, 2001 were applauded by both those on the left and right as needed to stave off a possible recession..the recent catastrophe on 9/11 contributing to that possibility. Amazing the Keynesian left adding all those tax cuts to the deficit without taking account of the Keynesian multiplier effect. The left tends to oppose austerity measures now as detrimental, what was so different about 2001?
1020 days on vacation, ...that would be 3 years..not possible.
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