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Red flag laws could remove guns from people who have clean records. This violates the 4th and 2nd amendments.
Do you really believe that Democrats do not want a total ban?
Of course, if we tell rapists they can't buy tanks, it's clearly violating the 2nd amendment!! :lamo People like you that believe there should be no restrictions of any kind for any reason are luckily a vanishingly small and irrelevant minority.
No mainstream Democrat has called for an outright gun ban. This is pure paranoia by extremists like yourself that see any limits of any kind as an attack on the entire right itself. Feel free to point to hard evidence of an outright gun ban. You won't because you can't.
Interesting qualifier there...you left yourself an out.
How do you define mainstream?
Democrats want to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. Republicans want judges to use red flag laws to confiscate guns from people who have not broken the law but may in the future. Both are unconstitutional. #ShallNotBeInfringed
Do you really believe that Democrats do not want a total ban?
It's not really an out. Making absolute statements is rarely successful. If someone said "No Republican politician diddles kids", they'd be wrong because there are plenty of examples like Hastert. Instead a more accurate statement would be "No even remotely significant number of Republican politicians diddle kids".
None of you can point to one single example of an outright gun ban getting any even remotely significant support from any party and nor has anyone called for it. You hyperbolize because it's easier to argue against strawmen than their actual positions. Is there a Dem congressman out there who wants one? Might be. If so he's never tried it, nobody in the party has supported it, it isn't in the party platform, and thus has absolutely no significance.
If you want to claim like the OP that the Dems want an outright gun ban, provide that evidence right here and now. You won't because you can't.
I think its a slippery slope argument to make.
Too many carry the label "mainstream" and are anything but....trump has one foot in the Westborough church and the other at a Nationalist convention; too easy to derail the discussion with the Scotsman arguments.
I see, because I am a constitutionalist I am an extremist. BTW, is this how you typically debate by insulting and name calling?
I see. So neither you nor the OP can provide one single shred of evidence that the Democrats want a full gun ban, you're just here to distract from the actual topic with nonsensical and pointless ramblings.
Do you really believe that Democrats do not want a total ban?
Democrats as in all? No...some, yes.
But the point I am making is it makes more sense to state "this politician ( R or D ) advocates for xyz...I do not agree" rather than attempting to qualify what represents a mainstream section of any party.
There is a lot of fringe on both sides.
Did I say rapist and murderers have a right to buy tanks? Please do not put words in my mouth. Lets try to be civil and debate without insults please.
Democrats want to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. Republicans want judges to use red flag laws to confiscate guns from people who have not broken the law but may in the future. Both are unconstitutional. #ShallNotBeInfringed
This thread is about Dems and Republican approach to gun control and the constitutionality of those proposals. The SCOTUS has ruled on limitations on 2A. Lets discuss red flag laws and confiscation. Red flag laws are a slippery slope. Thought crimes comes to mind and 4A rights.
This thread is about Dems and Republican approach to gun control and the constitutionality of those proposals. The SCOTUS has ruled on limitations on 2A. Lets discuss red flag laws and confiscation. Red flag laws are a slippery slope. Thought crimes comes to mind and 4A rights.
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