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The blacks? I mean, it's their fault their black, right?
This whole thing seems like a ridiculous argument to me. Are we really arguing about which is a worse problem, white cops killing blacks, or blacks killing blacks? If you ask me, anyone killing anyone is a problem. Why can't we address both issues equally?
I find it hard to understand that a person reaction to Eric Garners death being one of "Oh yea, well, black people kill more black people a year than police!" It's a nonsensical argument.
So is being gunned down in the street for your Nikes
Being racially profiled by the police is a real problem in the black community.
90% of black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Hmmm...you're right. That's no big deal. What the hell were we thinking?
OK, boys, let's pack it up. Chaddelamancha thinks we should just shut up and let black folks just kill each other off.
The next honest argument you make in this thread will be the first. That's not even remotely close to what Chaddelamancha said and you damn well know it.
That's exactly what he said.
"Why can't we address both issues equally." THAT is exactly what he said. You are simply lying again.
Addressing both issue equally is the last thing you people want to do. Over 100 posts and none of you have discussed the death of this little boy. The only thing you want to do is go on about racism and other kinds of bull****, name calling, personal attacks, etc.
What, exactly, are we supposed to say? Is everyone supposed to give a cursory "wow, that's pretty awful" before discussing the issues? It goes without saying that it's a terrible tragedy.
You don't even want to discuss the issues simultaneously. It's pretty clear you have NO interest in discussing the growing epidemic of violence between police and young males.
Nothing, kobie. We certainly don't expect anything.
You have said plenty. This post proves my point.
I don't even know what the hell your point IS.
BTW, I went back through and looked at the entire thread. You know who else hasn't said a word about the death of this young boy, outside of castigating others for the same? YOU.
Oh yeah? Where the **** are the race hustlers, now? There's a 15 y/o boy--an actual kid this time--dead and all you people can do is scream, "raaaaaciiiiist!".
Of course you don't know what my point is. :lamp
And, that's a damn lie...
If it wasnt brought up in that manner it would NEVER be discussed. Literally never.The blacks? I mean, it's their fault their black, right?
This whole thing seems like a ridiculous argument to me. Are we really arguing about which is a worse problem, white cops killing blacks, or blacks killing blacks? If you ask me, anyone killing anyone is a problem. Why can't we address both issues equally?
I find it hard to understand that a person reaction to Eric Garners death being one of "Oh yea, well, black people kill more black people a year than police!" It's a nonsensical argument.
Ah, so you mentioned it ... in an attack. You're a saint.
90% of black murder victims are murdered by blacks. Hmmm...you're right. That's no big deal. What the hell were we thinking?
OK, boys, let's pack it up. Chaddelamancha thinks we should just shut up and let black folks just kill each other off.
If it wasnt brought up in that manner it would NEVER be discussed. Literally never.
Perhaps the problem is what is actually brought up. Police brutality is a 'problem' when it occurs. Its not something that involves a majority of law enforcement and its not something that is done only towards blacks. And yet...the discussion about it IS racial. THATS why the discussion of day to day killing gets brought up. There IS no discussion of brutality in general or questioning of police shootings in general. Please dont pretend there is. If that were the case the conversation would not be led with the hashtag #Blacklivesmatter. So SINCE the only discussion is about black lives mattering, then why do the black lives that are lost at the hands of law enforcement 'matter' and not the 10,000+ lost at the hands of other blacks?
The fact is that the argument IS very clearly defined. Its not ABOUT police brutality in general...its about 'black'. That couldnt be made more abundantly clear. Its in the posters, the literature, the commentary. You have a female college president scolded for saying 'all lives matter' because 'all lives' detracts from the message 'black lives'. You have white protesters in Ferguson MO given rules on where to stand and how to act and to make sure that any media contact is referred to a black person because it is a black matter. Race is infused into this argument by the proponents. So...DO 'black lives' matter or not? Do a handful of questionable deaths at the hands of the police 'matter, as opposed to well over 10 THOUSAND deaths at the hands of black people? DO "black lives matter" or is that just a slogan?If you want to argue about police brutality in general and not just limit it to blacks, then go right ahead. It makes sense to want to do that in light of these high profile cases. But using the argument "What about Blacks killing more Blacks" doesn't do any good, it just muddles the waters.
And to say that black on black crimes are never discussed is just dishonest. EVERY time that there is a high profile race related crime involving blacks, this argument is brought up.
Yes, if only I were engaged in the discussion to your satisfaction, that's what would have prevented this of horrible situation.Trying really hard to get people like you to actually engage in the discussions. But black lives only matter to you when it is a white guy (and preferably a cop) that takes it.
Yes, if only I were engaged in the discussion to your satisfaction, that's what would have prevented this of horrible situation.
The fact is that the argument IS very clearly defined. Its not ABOUT police brutality in general...its about 'black'. That couldnt be made more abundantly clear. Its in the posters, the literature, the commentary. You have a female college president scolded for saying 'all lives matter' because 'all lives' detracts from the message 'black lives'. You have white protesters in Ferguson MO given rules on where to stand and how to act and to make sure that any media contact is referred to a black person because it is a black matter. Race is infused into this argument by the proponents. So...DO 'black lives' matter or not? Do a handful of questionable deaths at the hands of the police 'matter, as opposed to well over 10 THOUSAND deaths at the hands of black people? DO "black lives matter" or is that just a slogan?
Your last line kind of makes the point. The ONLY time it is considered is when it is brought up during a racial incident and then, there is no dialogue...just a desperate attempt to run away from the facts.
Nah. Don't engage. At all. Why should you? It's not like black lives REALLY matter. Just the ones you can exploit.
The problem is that no one is saying it IS.Nobody is saying that black on black crime isn't a problem.
As if the right ever cares about black lives when they can't be exploited.
The problem is that no one is saying it IS.
I would say a far more accurate statement would be that most on the right dont bother trying to exploit the black community
Now...have we got that out of the way? Care to address the reality that we see millions chanting, rioting, protesting, looting, all triggered by a thug dying by his own actions and a questionable grand jury decision. Because...you know...black lives matter. Meanwhile, 3700 black people have been killed by black on black gun violence alone since those 2. and no one cares.
The Stop the Violence Movement was begun by rapper KRS-One in 1989 in response to violence in the hip hop and African American communities.
In 1988, during a concert by Boogie Down Productions and Public Enemy, a young fan was killed in a fight. The killing occurred shortly after Scott La Rock, a founding member of Boogie Down Productions, was killed in a shooting. KRS-One responded to these deaths by forming the Stop the Violence Movement to advance a vision of hip hop that would restore what he called hip hop's original principles to the music industry
KRS-One once again relaunched his campaign in the late 2008 in order to provide his new years resolution. This version includes Twista, Syleena Johnson, Phil G, Crucial Conflict, Kenny Bogus, Straw and Pugz Atomz.
DJ Kay Slay also produced a version of "Self Destruction" that samples the original more heavily. It features MCs Sheek Louch, Busta Rhymes, Papoose, Bun B, Uncle Murda, and Jay Rock.
Another version was made by a group of MC's from Jersey City; this version is extremely similar to the original—it even mimics the flow of the original MC's.
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