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Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges (1 Viewer)

It's dishonest to quite only part of a sentence.


Answer the question, please.

We both know the answer is "no".

So, your hypothetical is completely irrelevant and can really only be interpreted as an attempted distraction.
 
What I suggested is that "due process" for illegal aliens should be different than it is for legal residents of the country, if it exists at all for illegal aliens.


Cool story.

ARE due process guarantees different for illegal immigrants than for legal residents or citizens? Nope. So, your feelings are immaterial.
 
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This did not happen.

That man is not a gang member.

Turn the Faux off.
 
You dont understand what due process is.
You apparently think "due process" is something that is written in stone by Hammurabi, is a single set of rules, unchangeable and eternal. It isn't. It's whatever the legislature says it is in any given country and for any given class of event. It's a legal procedure, plain and simple, that the Constitution requires to be followed by the government in order for life, liberty or property to be taken from someone.

And as with anything in the Constitution, it is subject to interpretation by the Supreme Court.
 
Answer the question, please.
The question is ridiculous because it's based on your dishonest use of a partial quote. If you go back and read the entire sentence, the question you should have asked is answered.
 
ARE due process guarantees different for illegal immigrants than for legal residents or citizens? Nope. So, your feelings are immaterial.
I didn't express any feelings. I made a suggestion.
 
You apparently think "due process" is something that is written in stone by Hammurabi,
No.

I think it's a process. Not an outcome.

You keep saying illegals being deported is due process.

No, being deported is, in many cases, the outcome of due process......

You keep saying illegals shouldn't get due process,or shouldn't get the same due process, without realizing that determining if somone is illegal, legal, or a citizen is part of the due process.

You can't give illegals different due process until you give them due process to determine their status.
 
You keep saying illegals being deported is due process.
No, I'm saying that, if the USSC interpreted the Constitution that way, due process could include different rules for deporting illegal aliens. I did NOT say that deportation IS due process.
You keep saying illegals shouldn't get due process,or shouldn't get the same due process, without realizing that determining if somone is illegal, legal, or a citizen is part of the due process.
Here's a suggestion for the a process in the future:
  • Specific ICE employees could be deputized by the Courts.
  • When a legal alien comes into the country, (s)he is given a card attesting to legal status.
  • The card is entered into an online file.
  • If a suspected illegal alien is encountered, the card can be presented or, if not in possession of the alien, looked up on the database.
  • If the card isn't found, the alien must leave the country.
For now, Congress should pass a law defining a process specifically for illegal alien removal.
 
No, I'm saying that, if the USSC interpreted the Constitution that way, due process could include different rules for deporting illegal aliens. I did NOT say that deportation IS due process.

Here's a suggestion for the a process in the future:
  • Specific ICE employees could be deputized by the Courts.
  • When a legal alien comes into the country, (s)he is given a card attesting to legal status.
  • The card is entered into an online file.
  • If a suspected illegal alien is encountered, the card can be presented or, if not in possession of the alien, looked up on the database.
  • If the card isn't found, the alien must leave the country.
For now, Congress should pass a law defining a process specifically for illegal alien removal.
How about no


I prefer the Constitution of the United States of America
 
No, I'm saying that, if the USSC interpreted the Constitution that way, due process could include different rules for deporting illegal aliens. I did NOT say that deportation IS due process.

Here's a suggestion for the a process in the future:
  • Specific ICE employees could be deputized by the Courts.
  • When a legal alien comes into the country, (s)he is given a card attesting to legal status.
  • The card is entered into an online file.
  • If a suspected illegal alien is encountered, the card can be presented or, if not in possession of the alien, looked up on the database.
  • If the card isn't found, the alien must leave the country.
For now, Congress should pass a law defining a process specifically for illegal alien removal.

We have a system. When it was in use during the Biden Administration it somehow managed to deport more people than Trump with his we don’t have time for that claims.

We even have those cards. They’re called Green Cards. And Trump empowered ICE agents are tossing them into detention. Apparently ICE can’t find those millions of Illegals running around raping and robbing like slobbering rabid dogs. When they aren’t eating the dogs. And the cats. Can’t forget the cats.

We have all of that. Trump and the Mighty Minions can’t stand it.
 
How about no


I prefer the Constitution of the United States of America
No, you prefer millions of completely unknown individuals, many of them murderers, child rapists, criminal gang members because they were brought in by a man whose mind was going, and the gang that told him what to do, roaming our streets and living on our taxes. You care less about the Constitution than you do about the fact that it was Democrats who brought them here, and Democrats who will continue to take the blame for it every time one of our neighbors suffers and dies because of it.
There are legislative and judicial ways to deal with the problem lawfully without living through years of making lawyers rich at our expense, but they'll provide a new group of "victims" for Democrat politicians to cry over. If anyone ever thought that Democrats are an Anti-American gang, they need wonder no more.
 
yes i prefer the constitution.
you prefer millions of completely unknown individuals,
Lies.
many of them murderers, child rapists, criminal gang members
More lies. The percentage that are criminals of any kind is extremely small. Very rare. Not "many".

why lie?
because they were brought in by a man whose mind was going,
They were not "brought in" by anybody.

can you get a sentence out that doesn't contain lies?
You care less about the Constitution than you do about the fact that it was Democrats who brought them here
nobody "brought them here ".
 
No, you prefer millions of completely unknown individuals, many of them murderers, child rapists, criminal gang members because they were brought in by a man whose mind was going, and the gang that told him what to do, roaming our streets and living on our taxes. You care less about the Constitution than you do about the fact that it was Democrats who brought them here, and Democrats who will continue to take the blame for it every time one of our neighbors suffers and dies because of it.
There are legislative and judicial ways to deal with the problem lawfully without living through years of making lawyers rich at our expense, but they'll provide a new group of "victims" for Democrat politicians to cry over. If anyone ever thought that Democrats are an Anti-American gang, they need wonder no more.
Firstly nobody “brought” them in. You’ve been sold a talking point. And as for millions, it has taken generations across successive administrations to accumulate the number of undocumented migrants today.

And yes there are legislative and judicial means. Trump is bypassing those and undermining the constitution. That his supporters don’t care about that or the actual citizens being rounded up shows us they never cared about the “illegal” part of illegal immigration. They hate all immigrants - or at least all those of the “wrong” skin tone.
 
When it was in use during the Biden Administration it somehow managed to deport more people than Trump with his we don’t have time for that claims.
During the Biden administration they counted people who were turned back at the border as "removals." They lied about that, too.
 
More lies. The percentage that are criminals of any kind is extremely small. Very rare. Not "many".
How many young women have to be raped and murdered bhy murderers who shouldn't even be in the same country for it to be "true?" How many children have to have their childhood stolen by illegal alien criminals for it to be "true?"
They were not "brought in" by anybody.
Biden opened the border and invited one and all to come. He invited them during the campaign and spent his first days in office making it easy for them to get in.
can you get a sentence out that doesn't contain lies?
Can you believe anything about what Democrats have done to this country?
nobody "brought them here ".
Joe Biden and the gang that ran him brought them here. And then he and the rest of you lied about what it would take to stop them.
 
Firstly nobody “brought” them in. You’ve been sold a talking point. And as for millions, it has taken generations across successive administrations to accumulate the number of undocumented migrants today.
You simply haven't a clue. Government numbers collected while Biden was President show some six million KNOWN illegal aliens entering the country, and probably another two million "gotaways."
And yes there are legislative and judicial means. Trump is bypassing those and undermining the constitution.
He's attempting to solve the mess that Democrats wanted and got in this country. He seems to go by the adage that "it may be better to ask forgiveness than permission," while people here lawfully are being murdered and children are being sexually molested.
That his supporters don’t care about that or the actual citizens being rounded up shows us they never cared about the “illegal” part of illegal immigration
"Actual citizens" are NOT being "rounded up." A few have been caught up, but that miniscule number is a small price to pay for what Biden has done to all of us.
They hate all immigrants - or at least all those of the “wrong” skin tone.
Ahh, racism! How long will it be before Democrats start to talk about "pogroms" and Hitler? I imagine that the first window that gets broken will bring out screams of "Kristallnacht" from you. BTW, The illegal aliens who tied up and beat to death a man in Woodland Park were white, as were many of the people from some 100 countries that came here.
 
The question is ridiculous because it's based on your dishonest use of a partial quote. If you go back and read the entire sentence, the question you should have asked is answered.


Oh, look who is using "dishonest partial quotes" now!

I'll provide the rest of my post for you:

We both know the answer is "no".

So, your hypothetical is completely irrelevant and can really only be interpreted as an attempted distraction.

Troll elsewhere.
 
Biden opened the border and invited one and all to come
that's a lie.

Biden apprehended and expelled more then Trump did.

You get lied to constantly and always fall for it.

why.
. He invited them during the campaign and spent his first days in office making it easy for them to get in.
No he didnt.

That is what i am talking about though. Try actually listening to the video you are talking about.
Can you believe anything about what Democrats have done to this country?
Democrats gave us an economy comming out of Covid that was "The Envy of The World"


Now Trump is crashing that economy because you fell for lies.

You should apologize.
Joe Biden and the gang that ran him brought them here.
nobody "brought" them here.
And then he and the rest of you lied about what it would take to stop them.
You got lied to and fell for it.

Do better.
 

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