It's not when you agree with them more, it's when you cheerlead for them as you did here.
Benghazi doesn't really bother me and the NSA spying would happen no matter which party controlled what. I think people are waiting for a decent alternative, and when you look at what's unpopular - Obamacare and the NSA - Romney didn't really offer an alternative. Most people could easily see he was full of crap when it came to repeal of Obamacare because everybody knew it was in many ways the same as Romneycare. The only people who really believed that were the diehards on either side.
I don't think you realize how much the shut down has hurt the Republican party and their hopes of gaining seats in the senate next year, at least for the time being. Prior to the shut down, it looked like a lock the GOP would pick up Democratic held seats in Montana, West Virginia and South Dakota along with have at least a 50-50 shot or a bit better in Alaska, Louisiana, Arkansas and a slightly less than 50-50 in North Carolina. That was 7 seats, enough for the Republicans to gain control of the senate. Now a few days after the shut down ended, South Dakota still looks like a pickup, Montana and West Virginia not so much, perhaps toss ups, Arkansas, Louisiana and Alaska has moved more into the Democratic hold category and North Carolina like the the Democrat Hagan will win and keep her seat. If this wasn't bad enough, Kentucky and Georgia might actually flip from Republican to Democrat. Could 2014 be a case like 2012 where it looked like the republicans would gain 5 or 6 seats at the beginning of the year only to lose two.
Look at what happened to the ACA you tried to do away with, prior to the shut down there was a 14-19 point gap advantage of against to favor the new law depending on which poll you were looking at. After the shutdown, that gap narrowed, there is is an advantage of against to favor, but now it is down to between 4-10 points. ACA now looks better to quite a lot of more people than it did prior to the shut down. It did the ACA a huge favor.
Then there is party affiliation/identification, prior to the shutdown 30% identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats, after both numbers dropped, but the Republicans at at 20% of the electorate and the Democrats at 30%.. Even though the Democrats also dropped, the gap between the parties rose from 5 points to 10 points. That is an awful high mountain to climb just to get back to where you were.
Lucky for you, the election is still a year away, time to heal wounds and regain some prestige. The question is, will you?
It's not when you agree with them more, it's when you cheerlead for them as you did here.
Benghazi doesn't really bother me and the NSA spying would happen no matter which party controlled what. I think people are waiting for a decent alternative, and when you look at what's unpopular - Obamacare and the NSA - Romney didn't really offer an alternative. Most people could easily see he was full of crap when it came to repeal of Obamacare because everybody knew it was in many ways the same as Romneycare. The only people who really believed that were the diehards on either side.
I don't think you realize how much the shut down has hurt the Republican party and their hopes of gaining seats in the senate next year, at least for the time being. Prior to the shut down, it looked like a lock the GOP would pick up Democratic held seats in Montana, West Virginia and South Dakota along with have at least a 50-50 shot or a bit better in Alaska, Louisiana, Arkansas and a slightly less than 50-50 in North Carolina. That was 7 seats, enough for the Republicans to gain control of the senate. Now a few days after the shut down ended, South Dakota still looks like a pickup, Montana and West Virginia not so much, perhaps toss ups, Arkansas, Louisiana and Alaska has moved more into the Democratic hold category and North Carolina like the the Democrat Hagan will win and keep her seat. If this wasn't bad enough, Kentucky and Georgia might actually flip from Republican to Democrat. Could 2014 be a case like 2012 where it looked like the republicans would gain 5 or 6 seats at the beginning of the year only to lose two.
Look at what happened to the ACA you tried to do away with, prior to the shut down there was a 14-19 point gap advantage of against to favor the new law depending on which poll you were looking at. After the shutdown, that gap narrowed, there is is an advantage of against to favor, but now it is down to between 4-10 points. ACA now looks better to quite a lot of more people than it did prior to the shut down. It did the ACA a huge favor.
Then there is party affiliation/identification, prior to the shutdown 30% identified themselves as Republicans, 35% as Democrats, after both numbers dropped, but the Republicans at at 20% of the electorate and the Democrats at 30%.. Even though the Democrats also dropped, the gap between the parties rose from 5 points to 10 points. That is an awful high mountain to climb just to get back to where you were.
Lucky for you, the election is still a year away, time to heal wounds and regain some prestige. The question is, will you?
Well, if you are asking if repubs will allow establishment progressives to take the narrative, led by the nose by the likes of Schumer, and Reid, and allow the MSM to control the message like they obviously have with your summary here, no offense. Then I sure as hell hope not...Our future depends on it.
We have a long time before Nov. of next year, a lot can, and will happen. Let's talk in summer, is that fair?
And that's why the best thing that could happen for Obama and the Dems is that Cruz tries his lame stunt again. There's little doubt which way it will go and who will be blamed the next time. Not to mention that Obamacare becomes more popular as time goes on and more people are benefitting.
Ignorant stupid bagger racists such as Cruz know no bounds of sanity.
\Why would that be the case? I mean, they already have been able to reap the benefits of a premium boom due to the mandates on this turd of a law, and as we know well, in that industry, what goes up, stays up....So, I actually think that pulling the plug on this and starting over would actually settle them down a bit.
Yep, and as folks have been 'conditioned' since PPACA passage to expect something this merely eases the paving of the single payer pathway...going back to pre-PPACA will be unacceptable to these folks...WTF was the GOP thinking?
Single payer modeled after Medicare is exactly what should have happened.
Personally, I think next year, more than a year away will be decided by events and issues that are to come and unforeseeable at the moment. The Republicans did do the ACA a great favor, if they kept quiet about it and made it an election issue next year, who knows? But their chances would be a whole lot better. Time will tell.
The part in bold, especially the italic part will never happen. That would mean that Obama would have to say that Cruz was right....He won't do that.
Why would that be the case? I mean, they already have been able to reap the benefits of a premium boom due to the mandates on this turd of a law, and as we know well, in that industry, what goes up, stays up....So, I actually think that pulling the plug on this and starting over would actually settle them down a bit.
Nothing says freedom, liberty, personal responsibility or fiscal responsibility like "Single Payer" forced socialized medicine. You think the economy is paltry now, try that stunt.Single payer modeled after Medicare is exactly what should have happened.
Thats why that whole shut down was so retarded and why Obama shares at least a significant portion of the blame. He already insists that the business mandate was screwed up and must be delayed. Rather than have a logical discussion about delaying the private mandate, he acted like a little spoiled child. Now...he looks not only like a little child but incompetent to boot.
Oh..and heres the REALLY fun part...watching all the 'supporters' of the ACA jumping ship like rats. Gosh...they never knew they were supporting such bad legislation!
Nothing says freedom, liberty, personal responsibility or fiscal responsibility like "Single Payer" forced socialized medicine. You think the economy is paltry now, try that stunt.
Nothing says freedom, liberty, personal responsibility or fiscal responsibility like "Single Payer" forced socialized medicine. You think the economy is paltry now, try that stunt.
Social Security will also be on the GOP plate..Medicare is the single best thing that happened for seniors in the United States of America since its founding.
Extending Medicare-type coverage to every American would not be a stunt.
Actually, I think this would let him say "See? Like I've been saying all along, we're willing to talk about this, just not under threat of government shutdown."
Plus, the GOP isn't trying to derail Obamacare over any sense of duty to the American people. They literally want the law to make things worse, because that helps them politically.
MaggieD said:Medicare is the single best thing that happened for seniors in the United States of America since its founding. Extending Medicare-type coverage to every American would not be a stunt.
How is that spin? Obama and the Democrats believe in the ACA. Their refusal to delay when Republicans demanded it was because they believed in the legislation. The reason they may be willing to delay now, however, would not be based upon the quality of the legislation, but rather in fairness to those who have been unable to comply with the law for reasons outside the citizen's control.Great spin. LOL. But people having problems with Obamadon'tcare know who is responsible for the disaster. It ain't the GOP.
Yes, you're right but still there has been damage done to the bagger brand. I would suggest that the worst of it is among their benefactors who would be completely opposed to a gov shutdown or a debt ceiling debate that is completely meaningless. The fact that the latter is meaningless is a clear indication of their destructive mindset for no good purpose.
But as I said, Cruz's future actions will be closer to the date of elections and every indication from the last one is that it will be just as destructive for his cause. For that reason it should be covertly encouraged by the Dem powers that be. But only covertly.
Cruz and his bagger cohorts will very likely carefully weigh the political climate before embarking on the same stupid task again. That makes it pretty unlikely even though they need to keep up appearances now to make it out as a success. They're in a difficult position, firstly because the mainstream GOP has turned against them even though it's not made public for obvious reasons. And secondly, because there is no indication that it will be more successful the next time than it was this time.
Another issue to note is the forced reception Cruz received from his supporters in Texas. A standing ovation that lasted for 6 or 7 minutes went overboard for the credibility factor. Had it been limited to a minute it would have been more convincing for the audience that it was intended for. In essence, they knew it was all a lost cause for Cruz and they wanted to have it displayed as something different for them at least. It failed because of the absurdity of 7 minutes standing and clapping.
I'm anxious to see how Cruz will play it out the next time. I know it won't be in the same manner but I can't imagine how he will modify it to make it less damaging to the country in the eyes of the people. His big problem now is, if he doesn't try it again then he will be condemned by the feeble minds that think it was a positive move for him. He'll obviously have to resort to something less effective that doesn't have teeth.
Or how about having somebody else carry the ball for him and then he takes to opposing in some way? Could he pull that off to make him look like the responsible 'good guy' politician? He obviously has to come up with some kind of ingenious plan because right now he's dead meat as a presidential candidate. Bagger support won't do it within the Repub party.
Obama et al, never said they wouldn't consider a delay in anything, or to discuss any other ideas.
What he said was he wouldn't discuss in relation to re-opening the government. He said over and over he was open to hearing all ideas, after and not relating to the government paying bills already incurred, and allowing government to function as it is currently mandated to through all the bills Congress has passed over the centuries.
Bless your little heart.When the President is ready to take a stand on the current climate of excluding all legislation from the 2010 Paygo Act because everything is "emergency spending"? Or was the 700 billion in annual spending increases since 2008 "passed over the centuries"?
Obama et al, never said they wouldn't consider a delay in anything, or to discuss any other ideas.
What he said was he wouldn't discuss in relation to re-opening the government. He said over and over he was open to hearing all ideas, after and not relating to the government paying bills already incurred, and allowing government to function as it is currently mandated to through all the bills Congress has passed over the centuries.
I don't know, but he should've done that. If delaying mandate for one group, do all groups, OR better yet, only delay for the group that is most hurting (if you're a democrat) and that doesn't seem to be these huge corporations, it'd be individuals.I bet he's really wishing he had delayed it when the Republicans asked him to back in August.
The funniest thing about this whole ordeal is that the Republicans were asking to delay the roll out at the same time the contractors were telling the administration that the site isn't ready AND the site had just failed a load test of a few hundred applicants.... and he held his ground. Full steam ahead! The iceberg will move!
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