Definition of an assault weapon

[CLAX1911]

It is indeed a joke. Looks like he thinks stubbornness about it is its own argument. Hardly the first thread where he simply ignored what he didn't want to deal with and just continued to declare himself right regardless.

Well I guess key board warriors have to do something to feel validated.

 

[Harshaw]

He doesn't have a point. Im not sure if he's trolling or if he truly thinks he does have a point.

Not sure what's to gain by pushing something this dumb so hard and for so long. There is zero practical merit to his idea.

 

[Cardinal]

maybe they just want it. What business is it of yours what people own?

If they want to stockpile a perfectly legal thing then they're welcome to it. It's their business what they choose to legally spend their money on. It just makes no sense to me personally why they would stockpile forty times the total ammo produced during the greatest war in American history. But again, if they want to have it, that's their business.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not sure what's to gain by pushing something this dumb so hard and for so long. There is zero practical merit to his idea.

Kill a few hours.

 

[CLAX1911]

If they want to stockpile a perfectly legal thing then they're welcome to it. It's their business what they choose to legally spend their money on.

Agreed. Ammunition is legal to own.

It just makes no sense to me personally why they would stockpile forty times the total ammo produced during the greatest war in American history. But again, if they want to have it, that's their business.

Well I suppose they believe that there could be regulations on it like you are presenting. I remember a few years ago there was a shortage and people were stockpiling.

There are people that stockpile food and water too. They are called prepers. There is a whole subculture there were even shows about it.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Since I responded to the point you made perhaps millions of times already, that is demonstrably untrue. Why do you pretend to read posts that you quite obviously do not? I don't crash threads and respond to your posts pretending that I read them. Why do you do that to me? Do you just not like my avatar?

Just because you may have responded to the point I made doesn't mean that you responded well. Otherwise you wouldn't continue to make such a useless argument. :shrug:

 

[Kal'Stang]

I think Cardinal just called you a racist, because I doubt he thinks you have a thing against Bond villain henchmen.

Wouldn't be the first time someone called or insinuated that I was a racist. :shrug: I tend to ignore such stupid comments where ever possible though. Oddjob however was one of my favorite characters in Goldfinger. That hat of his was wicked.

 

[CLAX1911]

Wouldn't be the first time someone called or insinuated that I was a racist. :shrug: I tend to ignore such stupid comments where ever possible though. Oddjob however was one of my favorite characters in Goldfinger. That hat of his was wicked.

I was never a huge James Bond fan but I did like odd job and Goldfinger.

 

[Bum]

$1600 per bullet was my proposal because that seemed like a logical number that would deter even irrational people who intended to commit murder. If you believe that a different figure, higher or lower, would accomplish the same end, then I'm open to suggestions. I'm happy to start with a lower number, but my thinking was this: what would be the cost of a full magazine? That would be 30 bullets in an AR-15* as just an example. At an average of 25 cents a bullet, that's $7.50. At a cost of $100 a bullet, that's $3000. That's certainly better, but I don't feel convinced that would deter a crazy person determined to murder people. However, at $1600 a bullet, now we're talking. The cost of that magazine is now $48,000. I could be wrong, but that sounds like a number that would deter even insane people from purchasing the magazine with the intent of murdering multiple people. Not because they would decide it was a bad idea (they're insane, after all), but because at that point a significant portion of the population is no longer able to afford it.

And for the eight billionth time, I acknowledge that this will create a black market. As long as this new black market doesn't create a volume of product that is equal to the normal volume, then I am okay with that.

*Before you jump down my throat for any errors in terminology, keep in mind that I don't actually care what the proper terminology is.

A proposal is something that may be even remotely workable....you are not making a proposal, you are writing Dystopian fan fiction.

What you have tossed out isn't even worth contemplating.

 

[CLAX1911]

A proposal is something that may be even remotely workable....you are not making a proposal, you are writing Dystopian fan fiction.

What you have tossed out isn't even worth contemplating.

That's an excellent point perhaps in the future I will not feed such things

It was funny when Chris Rock said it though.

 

[Bum]

That's an excellent point perhaps in the future I will not feed such things

It was funny when Chris Rock said it though.

Yeah, don't feed the...well, you know....

 

[Casper]

Agreed. Ammunition is legal to own.

Well I suppose they believe that there could be regulations on it like you are presenting. I remember a few years ago there was a shortage and people were stockpiling.

There are people that stockpile food and water too. They are called prepers. There is a whole subculture there were even shows about it.

Yeup.

Exactly, been there been fooled once but will not be again.

That's me, as the saying goes "Fail to Plan then you are Planning to Fail".

 

[SirGareth]

I agree that these definitions are confusing and don't help, which is why I advocate that each bullet costs two hundred dollars. At that point, whether something is defined as an assault rifle, automatic, semi-automatic, or plasma phase rifle with a laser scope doesn't matter.

If bullets cost $200.00 each how could the police afford them?

Check with B.L.M. first before answering.

Now if we made a water $200.00 dollars a glass, who could even even afford a gun....that's how a true socialist should think!

 

[CLAX1911]

Yeup.

Exactly, been there been fooled once but will not be again.

That's me, as the saying goes "Fail to Plan then you are Planning to Fail".

I have never been a prepper but I get it I don't think there's anything wrong with it if that's what you want to do more power to you.

 

[Casper]

I have never been a prepper but I get it I don't think there's anything wrong with it if that's what you want to do more power to you.

One does not have to go out and buy a missile silo or bomb bunker, or massive amounts of guns and ammo or other supplies, but with that said it is simply common sense to have some level of preparedness because as we all know there are many scenarios out that that can and do happen on a regular basis. All one has to do is look at the survivors of last years hurricanes, it was sad how so many people did not have more than a few days worth of food and water, many that had to evacuate did not even have some basics including shoes, that is a stupid way to go through life, especially since the cost of having some basic preparedness is not that much.

 

[CLAX1911]

One does not have to go out and buy a missile silo or bomb bunker, or massive amounts of guns and ammo or other supplies, but with that said it is simply common sense to have some level of preparedness because as we all know there are many scenarios out that that can and do happen on a regular basis. All one has to do is look at the survivors of last years hurricanes, it was sad how so many people did not have more than a few days worth of food and water, many that had to evacuate did not even have some basics including shoes, that is a stupid way to go through life, especially since the cost of having some basic preparedness is not that much.

Yeah I live in Houston

 

[Casper]

Yeah I live in Houston

Meaning you saw it first hand and know what I am driving at.

 

[Cardinal]

A proposal is something that may be even remotely workable....you are not making a proposal, you are writing Dystopian fan fiction.

What you have tossed out isn't even worth contemplating.

To be clear, $1600 per bullet may be a dystopia for you personally. It certainly isn't for me. I would also point out that the infinitely greater dystopia is experienced by those in their last seconds of life after being shot. No, I'm not trying to appeal to a sense of shame. I know better than to appeal to something that isn't there. I'm just pointing out fact.

 

[CLAX1911]

Meaning you saw it first hand and know what I am driving at.

Well I am a boy scout and we have a motto

 

[CLAX1911]

To be clear, $1600 per bullet may be a dystopia for you personally. It certainly isn't for me. I would also point out that the infinitely greater dystopia is experienced by those in their last seconds of life after being shot. No, I'm not trying to appeal to a sense of shame. I know better than to appeal to something that isn't there. I'm just pointing out fact.

It's not going to happen so no point in talking about it.

 

[Bum]

To be clear, $1600 per bullet may be a dystopia for you personally. It certainly isn't for me. I would also point out that the infinitely greater dystopia is experienced by those in their last seconds of life after being shot. No, I'm not trying to appeal to a sense of shame. I know better than to appeal to something that isn't there. I'm just pointing out fact.

Well, for once at least you are correct....I see no reason to feel shame or guilt for crimes committed by others, nor do I feel shame or guilt for supporting the second amendment.

I do however feel a sense of amusement that you are not even remotely subtle by inferring that those who do support the Constitution are somehow criminally at fault....My catholic grandmother could throw a better guilt trip than that without blinking.

Anyway, its not even remotely dystopian to me because it will never happen...But, if you want to do the legwork and get the legislation rolling, go right ahead.

I'll wait.

At the range, using my 5 cents a piece bullets.....I have a feeling I will be there a looooong time :2wave:

 

[SirGareth]

To be clear, $1600 per bullet may be a dystopia for you personally. It certainly isn't for me. I would also point out that the infinitely greater dystopia is experienced by those in their last seconds of life after being shot. No, I'm not trying to appeal to a sense of shame. I know better than to appeal to something that isn't there. I'm just pointing out fact.

The US government purchases 1.5 billion small arms rounds per year. At $1600 dollars per bullet, that's going to cost taxpayers 24 trillion dollars per year.

Have you figured your share of the taxes yet?

 

[Cardinal]

Well, for once at least you are correct....I see no reason to feel shame or guilt for crimes committed by others, nor do I feel shame or guilt for supporting the second amendment.

I do however feel a sense of amusement that you are not even remotely subtle by inferring that those who do support the Constitution are somehow criminally at fault....My catholic grandmother could throw a better guilt trip than that without blinking.

Anyway, its not even remotely dystopian to me because it will never happen...But, if you want to do the legwork and get the legislation rolling, go right ahead.

I'll wait.

At the range, using my 5 cents a piece bullets.....I have a feeling I will be there a looooong time :2wave:

Never happen? Never is a long time. Within the past few months, I've seen the public lose its patience with the "it's too soon to talk about gun control" gimmick. The public is rightfully identifying that the NRA is nothing more than a lobby and advertising firm for arms manufacturers, and wearing the imprimatur of respectability by pretending to be about gun safety and defending the Constitution. And the public is increasingly recognizing that if progress is to be made then Republicans, the greatest recipient of the NRA's donations, will need to go. The way the issue of bump stocks was floated for a few weeks after the Los Vegas massacre and then quietly killed is emblematic of the right wing stance on this issue. In a strange way, Trump has hurt the gun enthusiasts' cause by making venal and pointless decisions that reveal the senselessness of the Republican agenda. It's pointed out, for example, that Cruz was not a lawful gun owner since he should have been filtered out in the background check, forgetting that Trump killed a regulation last February that made it more difficult for the mentally ill to get guns. Why did Trump kill that regulation? Who knows? But it was an Obama-era regulation, so that's a clue, and Trump's decision highlighted Republicans' sense of priorities.

But the more massacres that happen, the more the NRA and gun owners dig in, and that paints a very vivid picture for the rest of the country that has to wonder why they must be compelled to watch their children murdered and accept it over and over again. Again, this is not an attempt to appeal to a sense of shame. I know you don't have it, and even if you did I don't possess the skills of your Catholic grandmother. It's just an observation of fact.

 

[Cardinal]

The US government purchases 1.5 billion small arms rounds per year. At $1600 dollars per bullet, that's going to cost taxpayers 24 trillion dollars per year.

Have you figured your share of the taxes yet?

That was already addressed. And even if it wasn't, that's a fiscal and administrative issue and other people can deal with it. It's not my problem and I don't know why you assume that it should be.

 

[HowardBThiname]

That was already addressed. And even if it wasn't, that's a fiscal and administrative issue and other people can deal with it. It's not my problem and I don't know why you assume that it should be.

I think he's just pointing out that your idea is silly and unworkable.