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Define "Liberal"?

It's the GOP that is literally backing out of debates as a party lmao
Like I always say, and is alwasy true, everything they say is projection.

And there is no debating with them, they don't have facts and just lie about everything. Just look at this forum, they deflect, lie, run away from any argument made. They have no facts, they have to rely on actual fake news and evne then they just copy ans paste and make no actual argument. Look at Trump against Biden at the debates, he was a child and didn't actually debate anything.
 
So if liberal means that you believe in the freedom of speech, how come leftists, who call themselves liberal shout down any speaker on college campuses who disagree with them?

Because they aren’t actual Liberals. Like I said above.

But Conservatives aren’t conservatives either.
 
I am a liberal and I am darn proud to say it.
I'm so sorry to hear that.
However, modern leftists have taken it upon themselves to redefine many words.
Won't find many Liberals willing to admit that.
Liberals want the power concentrated at the level closest to the people as possible.
That has not been my observation...at all!
Liberals believe that the power belongs to the people if at all possible.
Again, that has not been my experience with Liberals...at all!
Leftist groups, like Communists and Nazi's, want the Federal Government to have any power they can possibly have.
Nice to finally find a Liberal who correctly recognizes that Nazis are, in fact, left-wing.
They want the people to have only the power over things the government can not possibly hope to control.

I am Conservative because my liberal beliefs cause me to be conservative. We should do liberal things conservatively. (Because conservatives seem to do things better.)
Common sense conservatives doing liberal things is the best way to get good things done.

Everything our founders did was in an attempt to free the people from oppressive governments.

Everything the leftists want to do would enslave the people and give all the control to a huge bureaucracy in Washington.

We have seen leftist governments ruin everything they touch. We know what leftists have to Cuba, Russia, China, and Iran.
You sound more like a "Classical Liberal" vs. a modern-day Liberal. There is a huge difference. As a conservative Libertarian I would also consider myself a "Classical Liberal", as well.

But how would I define a "Liberal". Well, when we say "Liberal" we mean the modern-day Liberal that I would describe as:

1. Anti-Christian and militantly so. The only true religion of the modern-day Liberal is climate change and abortion is it's sacrament.
2. Anti traditional-family and militantly so. The traditional family must be destroyed as it is the "sworn enemy" of all things LGBTQ+.
3. Anti-American and militantly so--we cannot teach our history and we must remove all vestiges of our past (tearing down statues, for example).
4. Anti individual-rights and militantly so. Those crazy things like freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the freedom to keep and bare must not be tolerated. As such, Liberals are...
5. Anti Constitution. We can't allow those things that protect an individuals freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the freedom to keep and bare.
6. Anti-peace. The shear number of riots, lootings and fires these last couple of years fairly demonstrate that their only acceptable avenues of negotiation is violence.
7. Anti-Capitalist / Anti-meritocracy. The poor aren't poor because of their own life-decisions. They're poor because of the rich. As such, capital must be seized by Liberals from the rich and "fairly" "re-distributed" to the poor unfortunates because, ultimately, "you didn't build that!". After all, it is the Liberals moral duty to save us from ourselves.
8. Anti-civilization. The modern-day Liberals understands that individuals must not be held accountable for their actions. Such accountability is not "fair"! "Everyone" knows that bad behavior is the result of bad society. It's not the individual's fault. It's society's fault! As such, we must defund the police, eliminate cash bail, refuse to prosecute crimes and release all those "innocent" rapist, thieves and other miscellaneous violent offenders. How could we ever imprison the "innocent" for what is essentially society's fault? As such, Liberals are...
9. Anti-Traditional Values. America is a bad place. Therefore, Liberals understand that America must be re-created along Socialist principles. Only in this way can social-justice, economic-justice, racial-justice, climate-justice--whatever!--can be obtained.
10. Anti-borders. As America is such a bad place defending her borders is simply a pointless task. Besides all this land use to belong to them anyway...whoever "them" is.

That should about do it for now.
 

Sorry, but partisan bull cookies.

The Elephant has its head equally as far up its own butt.

The partisan. "My Tribe Can Kick Your Tribe's Ass" business is a HUGE part of what has sent all of this spinning off the rails in D.C. and our state capitals.

It has allow a small minority with a lot of bucks to force its will on the far larger majority and allowed it to do so by corrupting our government. It gets away with it because you invested in your Party's so much better than the other guys Party that you aren't paying attention to what is going on behind the curtain.

Knock it off, get your head back in the game with the rest of us Independents paying attention to what's going on and help us fix it.
 
Sorry, but partisan bull cookies.

The Elephant has its head equally as far up its own butt.

The partisan. "My Tribe Can Kick Your Tribe's Ass" business is a HUGE part of what has sent all of this spinning off the rails in D.C. and our state capitals.

It has allow a small minority with a lot of bucks to force its will on the far larger majority and allowed it to do so by corrupting our government. It gets away with it because you invested in your Party's so much better than the other guys Party that you aren't paying attention to what is going on behind the curtain.

Knock it off, get your head back in the game with the rest of us Independents paying attention to what's going on and help us fix it.
The question wasn't to compare and contrast democrats versus republicans. Truth be told I hold GOP in only slightly higher regard than Dems. I voted for Trump because he was IMHO the lesser of two evils. And because he wasn't enmeshed in the strings, nets and traps most career politicians are.
 
The question wasn't to compare and contrast democrats versus republicans. Truth be told I hold GOP in only slightly higher regard than Dems. I voted for Trump because he was IMHO the lesser of two evils. And because he wasn't enmeshed in the strings, nets and traps most career politicians are.

As a retired law enforcer, now private sector security specialist, who among other things investigates for a living, I can tell you I fervently disagree with the majority in my profession who seem mesmerized by Trump's BS.

The readily, publicly, available documentation on Trump; court transcripts, derogatory, statements of peers, family members, spouses, girl-friends, business partners, etc., more than proves Trump as a person of extraordinarily low character. So low that he even makes your average politician look good in comparison. That is saying quite a lot. So I have to strongly disagree with anyone who thinks it is OK to put someone like himself in the seat of POTUS and suggest they obviously don't like, and certainly not love, this country very much.

Politics totally and absolutely aside, I wouldn't saddle this nation with someone with Trump's character references and a potential so high for pathological narcissism and borderline personality disorder that one doesn't need a medical degree or a Ph.D. in psychology to take note of it. While I wouldn't hold it against anyone who would, I would just consider then priority challenged, I don't understand anyone who doesn't understand that? You don't hand out leadership positions, from head of your local scout troop to President of the United States of America, to such a person. You just don't.
 
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As a 'leftist' I give zero ****s about which faction of obsequious running dogs has best claim to the title 'liberal'.
 
As a retired law enforcer, now private sector security specialist, who among other things investigates for a living, I can tell you I fervently disagree with the majority in my profession who seem mesmerized by Trump's BS.

The readily, publicly, available documentation on Trump; court transcripts, derogatory, statements of peers, family members, spouses, girl-friends, business partners, etc., more than proves Trump as a person of extraordinarily low character. So low that he even makes your average politician look good in comparison. That is saying quite a lot. So I have to strongly disagree with anyone who thinks it is OK to put someone like himself in the seat of POTUS and suggest they obviously don't like, and certainly not love, this country very much.
Has he been convicted as a result of any of this? Any chance you're only looking at one side of the issues?
Politics totally and absolutely aside, I wouldn't saddle this nation with someone with Trump's character references and a potential so high for pathological narcissism and borderline personality disorder that one doesn't need a medical degree or a Ph.D. in psychology to take note of it. While I wouldn't hold it against anyone who would, I would just consider then priority challenged, I don't understand anyone who doesn't understand that? You don't hand out leadership positions, from head of your local scout troop to President of the United States of America, to such a person. You just don't.
That's your right.
 
As a 'leftist' I give zero ****s about which faction of obsequious running dogs has best claim to the title 'liberal'.
I use to be a Conservative. Not one of these Corporatists that call themselves conservatives today. I mean of the Theodore Roosevelt, Sherman Antitrust Act, National Parks:. defender of that small business man, innovation and small government Conservative.

Now I figure the way to be is totally independent. I hold no ideology in high regard and I don't care of, or disparage the source of an idea as long as it works. Try it all, throw it away if it isn't working and try something else. One from column A, B, C, what-have-you as long as after you cobble it all together IT WORKS!
 
Has he been convicted as a result of any of this? Any chance you're only looking at one side of the issues?

That's your right.

Really? Right off the top of my head, without a blink of an eye, his charitable foundation was found to be fraudulent. He was ordered to pay $2 million dollars if memory serves. Then there is the matter of his University, where he defrauded hundreds of people. Twenty-five million there.

if I felt like digging just a little I could find many cases where he was found against and others where he pled out. Then there are all the statements, under oath and unsworn, by those who know him, and well. As I said; his own family members, former friends, spouses, girl-friends, business partners, peers in business and government. The list is long and there is too much corroboration when cross-indexing the material presented for it all to be BS. WAY TOO MUCH SMOKE, something is burning.

So the "true believers' have the right, as you suggest I do... and we all do, to think as you will. REALITY, that thing that the truth is steeped in, favors what I am presenting because what I am presenting can be affirmed in the documentation of this man's recorded history.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." [ James R. Schlesinger]
 
So I have to strongly disagree with anyone who thinks it is OK to put someone like himself in the seat of POTUS and suggest they obviously don't like, and certainly not love, this country very much.

For those who looked past Trump's very low character to get what they wanted out of him politically [corporatists looking for deregulation and tax breaks, Christians looking for anti-choice judges, and others], I state it is akin to setting up your sister with an absolute low life because he said he'd let you use his car when ever you needed it.

Where it becomes readily discernible that that brother doesn't care for his sister very much.
 
For those who looked past Trump's very low character to get what they wanted out of him politically [corporatists looking for deregulation and tax breaks, Christians looking for anti-choice judges, and others], I state it is akin to setting up your sister with an absolute low life because he said he'd let you use his car when ever you needed it.

Where it becomes readily discernible that that brother doesn't care for his sister very much.
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I am Conservative because my liberal beliefs cause me to be conservative. We should do liberal things conservatively. (Because conservatives seem to do things better.)
Common sense conservatives doing liberal things is the best way to get good things done.
And yet posters on this board say that the left has not moved at all, but the right has become radicalized. Obviously, as you and others like you (Bill Maher, for example), clearly demonstrate that the left has continuously moved farther to the left, leaving the old liberals in the middle (or on the right). Isn't that what progressives are all about anyway, they want constant change so they keep moving to the left.
 
And yet posters on this board say that the left has not moved at all, but the right has become radicalized. Obviously, as you and others like you (Bill Maher, for example), clearly demonstrate that the left has continuously moved farther to the left, leaving the old liberals in the middle (or on the right). Isn't that what progressives are all about anyway, they want constant change so they keep moving to the left.
All Bill Maher illustrates is that he has always been an unfunny boob.
 






Where do you think things like critical race theory came from? They were part of the flow of new ideas that were developed and debated. You don't like the new ideas. You like the old ones.




You do realize Fox News is like...a massive news and discussion network, right?


The average thought from a conservative thought leader can be deconstructed by anyone with a wikipedia level of knowledge on the subject. Maybe watch the debates I linked. I have no idea why you think leftists don't debate conservatives.

Critical Race Theory (CRT) grew out of Critical Legal Studies, which held that the legal system upheld white supremacy. CRT, the brainchild of Harvard professor Derrick Bell holds that the unconscious bias of white people creates systemic racism in everything.

CRT is not a theory that stands up to any kind of rigorous examination. It requires the assumption of all whites being racist then simply layering on thr confirmation bias.
 
All Bill Maher illustrates is that he has always been an unfunny boob.
I've never been a fan of Bill Maher. But he reminds me of the days, not that long ago, when there were conservatives and liberals, and while they had different philosophies, they were not THAT far apart. Meaning there was some common ground to be found. Conservatives and liberals could disagree about politics and go have a beer together after. Now both sides are irreconcilable, there is no common ground, and the hate for each side is palpable.
 
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